(10-07-2014 03:04 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  BTW, I've heard Hardy and some of you kids interviewed - trust me, they won't be going for their MBA any time soon.

He was a walkon for a reason. And Marshall corners and safeties showed why last year. McNeil is a classless piece of crap also...

(10-07-2014 03:13 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:04 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  BTW, I've heard Hardy and some of you kids interviewed - trust me, they won't be going for their MBA any time soon.

He was a walkon for a reason. And Marshall corners and safeties showed why last year. McNeil is a classless piece of crap also...

(10-07-2014 03:13 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:04 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  BTW, I've heard Hardy and some of you kids interviewed - trust me, they won't be going for their MBA any time soon.

He was a walkon for a reason. And Marshall corners and safeties showed why last year. McNeil is a classless piece of crap also...

He was a walk-on because he was not heavily recruited. He played QB as a Senior in High School due to an injury on his team. Man, are you really this stupid??? I have never heard anyone have a cross word for Coach Ruff, what exactly makes you say he is a classless piece of crap???

(10-07-2014 01:56 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Here comes the EZWhoville train again. I will just say this to the EZWho people. In your starting line up in the 2001 GMAC bowl 18 of your 22 starters started out as NQers. Marshall has never had that many on the field at one time.

Now GTFO you are on the wrong board...

Let me ask you this....What is the difference between a NQer and Juco/Prep kid, the answer is nothing, except for maybe a a few years of eligibility.

This is a total BS…No truth to this statement at all.

(10-07-2014 03:10 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:05 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Hell…There are no shady JUCO players getting into the UNC System which set the exact rules that ECU, NC State, UNC, and all the other UNC System Schools have to follow in admitting a transfer from a JUCO. We have a very hard time getting JUCO's admitted. Many of the ones we sign in recruiting never make it to campus.

Exactly. If these clowns knew anything about how handcuffed we are on JUCO's they wouldn't be running their mouth. I'd much prefer a JUCO or prep school player over a non-qualifier. At least then I know that they got their grades in order away from campus which ensures that they're serious about it and not getting special "help." When they're given a pass on campus it sets a precedent that they're getting special privileges not afforded to "regular" students. They also take up classroom space and teachers' attention that I'd personally rather see go to traditional students who will make an academic impact on the university.

You would "much prefer a Juco or Prep school player" over a Non qualifier? Do you know what a Juco or Prep school player is coming out of high school?... LMAO. I'll give you a clue....it starts with the letter "N" and ends with the letter "R". Hoping you can solve that one blunderpuss....

Man, for something that Marshall fans say is no big deal they sure as heck get defensive about. We all know why they get so defensive….Deep down they know that they have a recruiting advantage against most College Football Programs. They really want to believe that all these 3 and 4 star recruits are lining up to sign with Marshall…But deep down they all know exactly why these kids show up. Deep down they know that their team would not be worth a damn if Doc and Hamrick were not allowing them to go down this path…If you want proof just go back to the Coach Snyder days and look at how they performed on the field and in recruiting. Things changed big time when Holliday came on board.

There would have been an uptick in recruiting when Holliday came on board, no question, because he is a good recruiter but to think he is good enough to lure away 3 and 4 star recruits on a regular basis from the "Big Boys" is total nonsense….

Like I have said before, kudos to Marshall..If they are willing and able to bring these young men on campus then good for them but you must be willing to deal with the BS that comes from taking this approach…It is what it is, ECU had to deal with the same mess when we used to take Non-qualifiers and that was only taking a couple a year.

So some of these Marshall fans just need to relax…and quit trying to justify what you guys are doing and trying to minimize it…It is a huge advantage at the numbers you guys are taking. Sure it evens the playing field for you guys with the "P5" but it gives you a clear advantage over many schools in your conference.

You guys have fun…I am done with all this Marshall nonsense. These guys can not have a discussion without calling people names and making ignorant statements.

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HerdZoned (97) - Last updated Today, 04:05 PM

Negative (-3): Maybe you and your whiney ass Butt Pirates should stay where you belong..... Screw EZWho and the City too...Brun it.....

Real mature... This just screams of someone who can not rationally discuss and debate a topic so they resort to name calling. You are clearly a challenged individual so I guess I should give you a pass.

(10-07-2014 03:29 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:10 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:05 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Hell…There are no shady JUCO players getting into the UNC System which set the exact rules that ECU, NC State, UNC, and all the other UNC System Schools have to follow in admitting a transfer from a JUCO. We have a very hard time getting JUCO's admitted. Many of the ones we sign in recruiting never make it to campus.

Exactly. If these clowns knew anything about how handcuffed we are on JUCO's they wouldn't be running their mouth. I'd much prefer a JUCO or prep school player over a non-qualifier. At least then I know that they got their grades in order away from campus which ensures that they're serious about it and not getting special "help." When they're given a pass on campus it sets a precedent that they're getting special privileges not afforded to "regular" students. They also take up classroom space and teachers' attention that I'd personally rather see go to traditional students who will make an academic impact on the university.

You would "much prefer a Juco or Prep school player" over a Non qualifier? Do you know what a Juco or Prep school player is coming out of high school?... LMAO. I'll give you a clue....it starts with the letter "N" and ends with the letter "R". Hoping you can solve that one blunderpuss....

Also this is false as well…We all know the day of prep players is all but over…Like I said earlier I can not remember our last prep guy. As far as our JUCO's that we signed this year, both started out at FBS schools and for various reasons ended up in JUCO but they were fully qualified out of high school…As a matter of fact one them was at SMU. Sure some JUCO guys are NQs but not all of them, not even close. Some are guys who were lightly recruited out of high school…Like Vintaviuos Copper who was on our team last year. He went the JUCO route because he wanted to play ball and that was his only "offer".

Here is the real problem:

Delusion told ECU they were going to be champions last year. Reality said no.

Delusion called ECU informing them they would be BCS. Reality hung-up the phone.

Delusion told them not to worry they would move up. Reality allowed them to join another G5 as the last team chosen.

Delusion dried those tears with the promise of being Tweenies. Alas, reality wasn't having it.

Delusion has promised the Access Bowl with no competition...reality has them sweating Marshall like a whore in church.

These fans are the kings of excuses. Shoulda, woulda, coulda all attended the Harvard of the South--ECU. There are no partial qualifiers anymore. They know it. All of this is a smoke and mirror pony show in case someone steals the glass slipper from them....yet again.

(10-07-2014 03:29 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Man, for something that Marshall fans say is no big deal they sure as heck get defensive about. We all know why they get so defensive….Deep down they know that they have a recruiting advantage against most College Football Programs. They really want to believe that all these 3 and 4 star recruits are lining up to sign with Marshall…But deep down they all know exactly why these kids show up. Deep down they know that their team would not be worth a damn if Doc and Hamrick were not allowing them to go down this path…If you want proof just go back to the Coach Snyder days and look at how they performed on the field and in recruiting. Things changed big time when Holliday came on board.

There would have been an uptick in recruiting when Holliday came on board, no question, because he is a good recruiter but to think he is good enough to lure away 3 and 4 star recruits on a regular basis from the "Big Boys" is total nonsense….

Like I have said before, kudos to Marshall..If they are willing and able to bring these young men on campus then good for them but you must be willing to deal with the BS that comes from taking this approach…It is what it is, ECU had to deal with the same mess when we used to take Non-qualifiers and that was only taking a couple a year.

So some of these Marshall fans just need to relax…and quit trying to justify what you guys are doing and trying to minimize it…It is a huge advantage at the numbers you guys are taking. Sure it evens the playing field for you guys with the "P5" but it gives you a clear advantage over many schools in your conference.

You guys have fun…I am done with all this Marshall nonsense. These guys can not have a discussion without calling people names and making ignorant statements.

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HerdZoned (97) - Last updated Today, 04:05 PM

Negative (-3): Maybe you and your whiney ass Butt Pirates should stay where you belong..... Screw EZWho and the City too...Brun it.....

Real mature... This just screams of someone who can not rationally discuss and debate a topic so they resort to name calling. You are clearly a challenged individual so I guess I should give you a pass.

Why be such an idiot with those comments? Last I checked it was Blunderpuss that came over here spewing off on something he obviously has no clue about. And stop with the "we have an advantage argument". The best players on our team (Cato and Shuler) were full qualifiers out of high school.

Pretty simple here guys....

We accept ALL students who are in the same situation. It could be the 5'4'' 117 lb sick kid, he would still be accepted to our school under the same HELP program. Our HELP program is nationally recognized as well as respected.

It's not like we only allow athletic people the opportunity to participate in this program. As someone else pointed out, our job as an institution of higher learning is to serve the people of our area. We happen to be in an area where a lot of the kids we get are first generation college students.

I'm proud of our HELP program. I can admit that this does give us a recruiting advantage over those who do not choose to use this, but that doesn't bother me at all.

As far as I'm concerned, "tough **** to all those who don't like it." If our choices were to either stop accepting NQs through the HELP program or leave CUSA, I would leave CUSA tomorrow, and that has nothing to do with athletics. There are many more regular average joe people who take advantage of this than there is football players.

Have a good day!

A partial qualifier at Rice means they got a B in high school calculus.

We are far from a highly selective institution, but if a kid can't meet the NCAA minimums to be a qualifier, there is no chance he'd get through the admissions process.


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(10-07-2014 03:55 PM)WEARE Wrote:  Here is the real problem:

Delusion told ECU they were going to be champions last year. Reality said no.

Delusion called ECU informing them they would be BCS. Reality hung-up the phone.

Delusion told them not to worry they would move up. Reality allowed them to join another G5 as the last team chosen.

Delusion dried those tears with the promise of being Tweenies. Alas, reality wasn't having it.

Delusion has promised the Access Bowl with no competition...reality has them sweating Marshall like a whore in church.

These fans are the kings of excuses. Shoulda, woulda, coulda all attended the Harvard of the South--ECU. There are no partial qualifiers anymore. They know it. All of this is a smoke and mirror pony show in case someone steals the glass slipper from them....yet again.

Honestly I see very little talk or even acknowledgement of Marshall on any of the ECU boards. You guys are a non-factor to us at this point, we do not play you, you are not in our conference, and you winning or losing does not change a damn thing for ECU. It is a long season but ECU's path to a New Years Bowl Game does not have Marshall in the way. To me it seems like the Marshall fans are the ones sweating ECU. All I know is that ECU would have to win out to have a chance…That is a tall task and statistically unlikely. Marshall has nothing to do with this deal for ECU but if it makes you guys feel better to think ECU is all worried about Marshall then have it.

(10-07-2014 04:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:29 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Man, for something that Marshall fans say is no big deal they sure as heck get defensive about. We all know why they get so defensive….Deep down they know that they have a recruiting advantage against most College Football Programs. They really want to believe that all these 3 and 4 star recruits are lining up to sign with Marshall…But deep down they all know exactly why these kids show up. Deep down they know that their team would not be worth a damn if Doc and Hamrick were not allowing them to go down this path…If you want proof just go back to the Coach Snyder days and look at how they performed on the field and in recruiting. Things changed big time when Holliday came on board.

There would have been an uptick in recruiting when Holliday came on board, no question, because he is a good recruiter but to think he is good enough to lure away 3 and 4 star recruits on a regular basis from the "Big Boys" is total nonsense….

Like I have said before, kudos to Marshall..If they are willing and able to bring these young men on campus then good for them but you must be willing to deal with the BS that comes from taking this approach…It is what it is, ECU had to deal with the same mess when we used to take Non-qualifiers and that was only taking a couple a year.

So some of these Marshall fans just need to relax…and quit trying to justify what you guys are doing and trying to minimize it…It is a huge advantage at the numbers you guys are taking. Sure it evens the playing field for you guys with the "P5" but it gives you a clear advantage over many schools in your conference.

You guys have fun…I am done with all this Marshall nonsense. These guys can not have a discussion without calling people names and making ignorant statements.

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HerdZoned (97) - Last updated Today, 04:05 PM

Negative (-3): Maybe you and your whiney ass Butt Pirates should stay where you belong..... Screw EZWho and the City too...Brun it.....

Real mature... This just screams of someone who can not rationally discuss and debate a topic so they resort to name calling. You are clearly a challenged individual so I guess I should give you a pass.

Why be such an idiot with those comments? Last I checked it was Blunderpuss that came over here spewing off on something he obviously has no clue about. And stop with the "we have an advantage argument". The best players on our team (Cato and Shuler) were full qualifiers out of high school.

Do you see the irony with this post…You guys just make it too easy... How am I being the "idiot"???

Also I do not think anyone is trying to claim all your best players were NQs that is not the point. Sure you guys can get some good players who are qualifiers…Just like most G5 schools. But when any team can add around 5-10 very talented players to their roster it is going to make them a much better team. It only takes a few guys on each side of the ball to take a team from average to very good.

(10-07-2014 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How much of an advantage does this give Marshall over everyone else? I know when we were in the Sun Belt Troy and Arkansas State always did well with this advantage. Should CUSA put a stop to it and get everyone on the same playing field?

(10-07-2014 04:19 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  A partial qualifier at Rice means they got a B in high school calculus.

Yes, your student body is smarter than ours. BTW, I'm not trying to be a dick when I say that either.

Look at the area you guys (as well as ODU, I see someone from there just posted too) are in compared to ours. You have way more students to choose from, most of the students you are choosing from have planned to go to college their whole lives. No doubt Rice is more prestigious academically, you guys are geared to target the really bright students. Our school is geared to serve an area that otherwise didn't have a true opportunity to go to school.

At the end of the day, all schools serve a need and that is usually based on location, demographics, and politics.

At the end of the day, I think our University does a GREAT job at providing opportunities for the people of OUR AREA.

We DO NOT make special rules for athletes, that is my point.

(10-07-2014 04:45 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 03:55 PM)WEARE Wrote:  Here is the real problem:

Delusion told ECU they were going to be champions last year. Reality said no.

Delusion called ECU informing them they would be BCS. Reality hung-up the phone.

Delusion told them not to worry they would move up. Reality allowed them to join another G5 as the last team chosen.

Delusion dried those tears with the promise of being Tweenies. Alas, reality wasn't having it.

Delusion has promised the Access Bowl with no competition...reality has them sweating Marshall like a whore in church.

These fans are the kings of excuses. Shoulda, woulda, coulda all attended the Harvard of the South--ECU. There are no partial qualifiers anymore. They know it. All of this is a smoke and mirror pony show in case someone steals the glass slipper from them....yet again.

Honestly I see very little talk or even acknowledgement of Marshall on any of the ECU boards. You guys are a non-factor to us at this point, we do not play you, you are not in our conference, and you winning or losing does not change a damn thing for ECU. It is a long season but ECU's path to a New Years Bowl Game does not have Marshall in the way. To me it seems like the Marshall fans are the ones sweating ECU. All I know is that ECU would have to win out to have a chance…That is a tall task and statistically unlikely. Marshall has nothing to do with this deal for ECU but if it makes you guys feel better to think ECU is all worried about Marshall then have it.

How ironic is it that an ECU fan is making this post on a Marshall thread on the CUSA board? How is that Harvard of the South degree working out for you? Man, you are slow.

(10-07-2014 04:51 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  But when any team can add around 5-10 very talented players to their roster it is going to make them a much better team. It only takes a few guys on each side of the ball to take a team from average to very good.

I think it would be very hard for someone to argue this

(10-07-2014 10:57 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How much of an advantage does this give Marshall over everyone else? I know when we were in the Sun Belt Troy and Arkansas State always did well with this advantage. Should CUSA put a stop to it and get everyone on the same playing field?

Get used to it. Marshall takes it to another level with an academic program designed to keep these losers eligible. They have no standards regarding JUCO transfers either. I'm glad that ECU no longer takes these flunkies.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...-next-year

Quote:PROPS: Before the recruitaholics get into their five-star hysteria, remember Marshall had eight academic non-qualifiers sitting out last season.

Two of them -- Angelo Jean-Louis and Deontay McManus -- are eligible now and will participate in spring practices. Considering both are outside wide receivers and were big-time prospects, they could be impact players.

The other props include running backs Tony Pittman and Brandon Byrd, wide receiver Rodney Allen, cornerback Chocolate Wilson, linebacker Raheim Huskey and defensive end Jalen Stevenson.

8 in one season. And before any turd fans say they didn't all get in the intent was clear.

Quote: TRANSFERS: Don't forget about defensive end Ricardo Williams and cornerback Donaldven Manning, who practiced last season after transferring from Miami (Fla.) and Virginia Tech respectively.

Both should be impact players for Marshall.

For all CUSA newbies the admissions requirements for Marshall football players is easy. Just fog a mirror and have a pulse and you're good to go.