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There is some, although it is limited, push on the subject because it is a moral law and there is a movement against those pretty much across the board.

I hate to say it but one day it is homosexuals and the next it is pedophiles, at least in terms of the argument. 50 years ago pedophiles and homosexuals were in the same mentally disturbed boat.

Even though most pedophiles are men attracted to little girls, it only took one post to connect it to gays.


Bravo!!

(10-06-2014 05:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Even though most pedophiles are men attracted to little girls, it only took one post to connect it to gays.


Bravo!!

I'd love to see your data on that.....

(10-06-2014 07:50 PM)blah Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 05:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Even though most pedophiles are men attracted to little girls, it only took one post to connect it to gays.


Bravo!!

I'd love to see your data on that.....

Ditto

82% of all juvenile victims are female. http://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/Fac...#reference

I just think it's messed up to be sexually attracted to someone or some thing that does not have the full mental capacity to love you back in the same way, or even does not want to.

An adult male can potentially reciprocate another adult male's love, but a child, an animal, a (severely) mentally handicapped person, a dead person etc.. These cannot love you back, it's ****** up to have feelings for someone like that.

Quote:I just think it's messed up to be sexually attracted to someone or some thing that does not have the full mental capacity to love you back in the same way, or even does not want to.

Well, let's all set aside our emotion when it comes to this stuff (which yes, is hard to do for most). There's two brands of pedophilia, as many state laws recognize: Children and Teens (under 18).

People are naturally sexually attracted to people under 18. Sorry. Yes, I know -- we'll find people who look too young and Over 18 and say "No way am I doing that. She/He's way too young, not into that." But that's not the (full) answer to sexual attraction. And there's MANY girls who are 16 and you wouldn't know it, and girls 19 who you would think were getting ready for driver's training. We're attracted to sexually developed people, not IDs - sorry. So just because you have sexual attraction to someone under 18 -- many years after puberty -- does not mean you're a pedo or a danger to society.

Sexual attraction, by itself, isn't a danger. When someone's roughly biologically "mature" in one's eyes, that's naturally when attraction starts forming.

Now, CHILDREN -- haven't hit puberty? Okay. Then there's some real issues going on with sexual attraction. If that sexual attraction is at any notable level (not some private, semi-innocent "Hey, she's going to look REAL hot in 5 years" with some back-end lingering attraction that exists vicariously through the what-she'll-look-like-later) -- they need help.

The issue: I think someone needing some help on that level isn't going to go to some psychologist or whatever -- for it to be put on their record. There's fear in that. And if people are going to hiss and bring out their pitch forks -- the person who has real sexual attraction toward pre-pubescent Children that staunchly exists, isn't going to get any Professional help that'll risk damaging their image/standing in society. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

(10-07-2014 01:23 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I just think it's messed up to be sexually attracted to someone or some thing that does not have the full mental capacity to love you back in the same way, or even does not want to.

Well, let's all set aside our emotion when it comes to this stuff (which yes, is hard to do for most). There's two brands of pedophilia, as many state laws recognize: Children and Teens (under 18).

People are naturally sexually attracted to people under 18. Sorry. Yes, I know -- we'll find people who look too young and Over 18 and say "No way am I doing that. She/He's way too young, not into that." But that's not the (full) answer to sexual attraction. And there's MANY girls who are 16 and you wouldn't know it, and girls 19 who you would think were getting ready for driver's training. We're attracted to sexually developed people, not IDs - sorry. So just because you have sexual attraction to someone under 18 -- many years after puberty -- does not mean you're a pedo or a danger to society.

Sexual attraction, by itself, isn't a danger. When someone's roughly biologically "mature" in one's eyes, that's naturally when attraction starts forming.

Now, CHILDREN -- haven't hit puberty? Okay. Then there's some real issues going on with sexual attraction. If that sexual attraction is at any notable level (not some private, semi-innocent "Hey, she's going to look REAL hot in 5 years" with some back-end lingering attraction that exists vicariously through the what-she'll-look-like-later) -- they need help.

The issue: I think someone needing some help on that level isn't going to go to some psychologist or whatever -- for it to be put on their record. There's fear in that. And if people are going to hiss and bring out their pitch forks -- the person who has real sexual attraction toward pre-pubescent Children that staunchly exists, isn't going to get any Professional help that'll risk damaging their image/standing in society. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I could give two flying ***** about these bastards standing and image.

and neither do the parents of their victims

(10-07-2014 07:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:23 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I just think it's messed up to be sexually attracted to someone or some thing that does not have the full mental capacity to love you back in the same way, or even does not want to.

Well, let's all set aside our emotion when it comes to this stuff (which yes, is hard to do for most). There's two brands of pedophilia, as many state laws recognize: Children and Teens (under 18).

People are naturally sexually attracted to people under 18. Sorry. Yes, I know -- we'll find people who look too young and Over 18 and say "No way am I doing that. She/He's way too young, not into that." But that's not the (full) answer to sexual attraction. And there's MANY girls who are 16 and you wouldn't know it, and girls 19 who you would think were getting ready for driver's training. We're attracted to sexually developed people, not IDs - sorry. So just because you have sexual attraction to someone under 18 -- many years after puberty -- does not mean you're a pedo or a danger to society.

Sexual attraction, by itself, isn't a danger. When someone's roughly biologically "mature" in one's eyes, that's naturally when attraction starts forming.

Now, CHILDREN -- haven't hit puberty? Okay. Then there's some real issues going on with sexual attraction. If that sexual attraction is at any notable level (not some private, semi-innocent "Hey, she's going to look REAL hot in 5 years" with some back-end lingering attraction that exists vicariously through the what-she'll-look-like-later) -- they need help.

The issue: I think someone needing some help on that level isn't going to go to some psychologist or whatever -- for it to be put on their record. There's fear in that. And if people are going to hiss and bring out their pitch forks -- the person who has real sexual attraction toward pre-pubescent Children that staunchly exists, isn't going to get any Professional help that'll risk damaging their image/standing in society. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I could give two flying ***** about these bastards standing and image.

and neither do the parents of their victims

Yep, no sympathy for a pedophile.

Wow...some folks even have worse reading comprehension than me!

Quote:Part of this failure stems from the misconception that pedophilia is the same as child molestation. One can live with pedophilia and not act on it. Sites like Virtuous Pedophiles provide support for pedophiles who do not molest children and believe that sex with children is wrong. It is not that these individuals are “inactive” or “nonpracticing” pedophiles, but rather that pedophilia is a status and not an act. In fact, research shows, about half of all child molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims.

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A pedophile should be held responsible for his conduct — but not for the underlying attraction. Arguing for the rights of scorned and misunderstood groups is never popular, particularly when they are associated with real harm. But the fact that pedophilia is so despised is precisely why our responses to it, in criminal justice and mental health, have been so inconsistent and counterproductive. Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm.

She's nowhere talking about those who have acted. Geez.

(10-07-2014 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow...some folks even have worse reading comprehension than me!

Quote:Part of this failure stems from the misconception that pedophilia is the same as child molestation. One can live with pedophilia and not act on it. Sites like Virtuous Pedophiles provide support for pedophiles who do not molest children and believe that sex with children is wrong. It is not that these individuals are “inactive” or “nonpracticing” pedophiles, but rather that pedophilia is a status and not an act. In fact, research shows, about half of all child molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims.

...

A pedophile should be held responsible for his conduct — but not for the underlying attraction. Arguing for the rights of scorned and misunderstood groups is never popular, particularly when they are associated with real harm. But the fact that pedophilia is so despised is precisely why our responses to it, in criminal justice and mental health, have been so inconsistent and counterproductive. Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm.

She's nowhere talking about those who have acted. Geez.

While you are correct, how is her argument any different from someone saying that attraction to the same sex is OK, just don't act on it? And here, lets get you some treatment for it as well, because you are obviously mentally ill.

Clearly, framing the conversation around attraction is pointless. The real issue is that western modern society and its associated morals, specifically age of consent, the concept of adolescence and female agency, are relatively young idea. Pedophilia challenges the validity of these ideas.

(10-07-2014 09:35 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow...some folks even have worse reading comprehension than me!

Quote:Part of this failure stems from the misconception that pedophilia is the same as child molestation. One can live with pedophilia and not act on it. Sites like Virtuous Pedophiles provide support for pedophiles who do not molest children and believe that sex with children is wrong. It is not that these individuals are “inactive” or “nonpracticing” pedophiles, but rather that pedophilia is a status and not an act. In fact, research shows, about half of all child molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims.

...

A pedophile should be held responsible for his conduct — but not for the underlying attraction. Arguing for the rights of scorned and misunderstood groups is never popular, particularly when they are associated with real harm. But the fact that pedophilia is so despised is precisely why our responses to it, in criminal justice and mental health, have been so inconsistent and counterproductive. Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm.

She's nowhere talking about those who have acted. Geez.

While you are correct, how is her argument any different from someone saying that attraction to the same sex is OK, just don't act on it? And here, lets get you some treatment for it as well, because you are obviously mentally ill.

Because the person being attracted to would not be under age. And therefore, would in no way be illegal...or mean you were mentally ill.

(10-07-2014 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:35 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow...some folks even have worse reading comprehension than me!

Quote:Part of this failure stems from the misconception that pedophilia is the same as child molestation. One can live with pedophilia and not act on it. Sites like Virtuous Pedophiles provide support for pedophiles who do not molest children and believe that sex with children is wrong. It is not that these individuals are “inactive” or “nonpracticing” pedophiles, but rather that pedophilia is a status and not an act. In fact, research shows, about half of all child molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims.

...

A pedophile should be held responsible for his conduct — but not for the underlying attraction. Arguing for the rights of scorned and misunderstood groups is never popular, particularly when they are associated with real harm. But the fact that pedophilia is so despised is precisely why our responses to it, in criminal justice and mental health, have been so inconsistent and counterproductive. Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm.

She's nowhere talking about those who have acted. Geez.

While you are correct, how is her argument any different from someone saying that attraction to the same sex is OK, just don't act on it? And here, lets get you some treatment for it as well, because you are obviously mentally ill.

Because the person being attracted to would not be under age. And therefore, would in no way be illegal...or mean you were mentally ill.

But the current illegality is an artificial construct. What makes 18 the magical number for consent? Why not 14 or 15 or once the ability to reproduce is achieved?

States and their laws determine the magical number, yes?

(10-06-2014 05:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Even though most pedophiles are men attracted to little girls, it only took one post to connect it to gays.


Bravo!!

Yea I have no sympathy for people who are attracted to children, whether they act on it or not.

(10-07-2014 10:55 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Yea I have no sympathy for people who are attracted to children, whether they act on it or not.

Even if they can do nothing about it and it may be a mental illness?

(10-07-2014 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:55 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Yea I have no sympathy for people who are attracted to children, whether they act on it or not.

Even if they can do nothing about it and it may be a mental illness?

Correct.

Everything is a mental illness these days.