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RE: Cuse News (OC Fired?, Hunt out for season?)
(10-06-2014 10:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm not ready to dump Shafer yet...the problem is he was hired very late in the hiring process (from Marrone's post Jan 1st Departure). He was forced to hire lots of buddies. Some are excellent and some are probably in over their heads.

The rumored new OC was a OC for 7 years in Division 3 so he should at least have a basic idea of calling plays.
http://cuse.com/staff.aspx?&staff=361

Cuse's perfect coach would be the melding of Marrone/Shafer into one super Ditka.

I figure Cuse will give Shafer a pass for this year but he'll be on the Hot Seat for next year if he only wins 2-4 games this year.

Edit: To answer the attendance issue. The Cuse FB fanbase is pretty bandwagon like...they jump off after one bad game...it has been like that for the last 15 years. The ACC ignored Cuse's request to take another Friday. The game was played during a Jewish Holiday and it really cut into the crowd for the students' attendance and some of the general fan base.

7 year's worth of OC experience at the DIII level means he has no effing idea what he's doing, otherwise he would have moved up to something higher than DIII long ago.

HCSS is the right guy. His MAC/DIII coaching staff isn't, and it's holding him back. We need a "Black Friday" after Thanksgiving and clean house. Maybe one of the assistant coaches has earned the right to stay. The rest are warm bodies. The catch is that we have to have the resolve A) to give HCSS enough of a vote of confidence to attract strong assistant coaches and B) to be aggressive enough to get the guys that we need.

The man can run a defense better than anyone thst I've ever seen, and he is especially good at making adjustments and fine-tooning player's techniques. He is very smart and knows the game inside and out. He is also loyal (see the current staff) and passionate (listen to him talk). With the right coaches around him, he would be very, very good.
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RE: Cuse News (OC Fired?, Hunt out for season?)
(10-06-2014 07:53 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  The budgets of FSU, Miami, Louisville VT clemson Louisivile for football is competitive to ranked Power five conferences. WHat is Syracuse.

THe answer is invest with right coaches (pay the salary)….right business model to get more folks to the game…..

Or.. just be another wake forest…….

We actually make more than half those teams, and last time we had a good football team, we made more than all those teams.
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RE: Cuse News (OC Fired?, Hunt out for season?)
(10-07-2014 10:09 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 07:53 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  The budgets of FSU, Miami, Louisville VT clemson Louisivile for football is competitive to ranked Power five conferences. WHat is Syracuse.

THe answer is invest with right coaches (pay the salary)….right business model to get more folks to the game…..

Or.. just be another wake forest…….

We actually make more than half those teams, and last time we had a good football team, we made more than all those teams.

^^^ So, what are you waiting for? ^^^
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(10-07-2014 09:20 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 08:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If Lester has any kind of brain Syracuse will give GT a run for it's money this year in rushing attempts per game. Replacing Hunt is only part of the problem, in the games I have watched Syracuse simply does not have a WR that anyone feels is a threat. Why the Orange has insisted on running the style offense they have ran the past two years is mind boggling. While your running backs aren't world beaters either they are more serviceable than your WR corps and can put you in a better position to win rather than your offense consistently stalling because of an incompetent passing game.

I would go to an I back offense and pound the ball and utilize the play action passing game. The only WRs that would see the field would be the ones who A. run sharp routes and B. catch the ball. The horizontal passing game would be all but removed from my playbook because it has sucked since the Penn State game last year. You simply don't have the athletes to run it.

Pretty much spot on...our two best WRs at stretching the field (Broyld and Estime) have been hurt much of the season. Toss sweeps in the endzone was ridiculous...so our old OC was a moron even when he choose to run. He did this at CMU and almost had a safety and did it again vs Ville and it resulted in a Safety.

This week is a lost cause but with some gameplan tweaks...this team can still win a few games this year.

It says pretty much everything about your personnel when Broyld and Estime are your two best at stretching the field.

As for the toss sweep.....ehhh, I can understand the play call because you figure the defense is going to be bunched up trying to stop the dive that the majority of teams would be trying at that point to get a little breathing room. If it works you have a real shot at breaking a long run. The personnel selection and execution are what I question. Why are you running a play that requires hitting the outside with speed with one of your slower backs? And why did the play take so long to develop?
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RE: Cuse News (OC Fired?, Hunt out for season?)
If you watch our "spread" it is slow and inefficient. BottomLine

I hope the new OC can make some improvements...I'm not expecting a miracle but hopefully more crispness in execution. This team is a middle of the pack ACC team IMHO.
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RE: Cuse News (OC Fired?, Hunt out for season?)
given the personnel on hand, the new SU OC should probably run a tight winged T

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(10-07-2014 04:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  given the personnel on hand, the new SU OC should probably run a tight winged T

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A straight up 21 set would work with their personnel.

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It also gives them some flexibility. Need a receiver? Either split the TE out in the slot or replace the TE or FB with a WR type. Need some extra punch on short yardage? Replace one of the WR with an additional TE.

But either your idea or mine would work better than what they have been trying to do. Hard to effectively run a spread attack when your personnel are incapable of running the scheme.
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Syracuse must clean house!

Quote:A little more than 24 hours after it was announced Syracuse coach Scott Shafer unceremoniously stripped George McDonald of his offensive coordinator duties, the second-year Orange assistant opted not to keep his emotions in check during a 45-minute session with reporters Tuesday. Here is the story from the Syracuse Post-Standard.

A series of tweets documenting McDonald’s answers can be found here. However, here are a couple of McDonald’s answers:
"If I would've known I was only going to get 18 games to be offensive coordinator, I would've stayed at the University of Arkansas.”
Speaking in regards to Syracuse’s receivers, the position he now coaches: “None of them have ever turned their back on me.”
On his frosty relationship with Shafer: “It is what it is.”
He received messages from other college coaches assuring McDonald he is “not as bad as Syracuse thinks I am.” - from ESPN's ACC Morning Links, 10/8/14
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(10-08-2014 08:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Syracuse must clean house!

Quote:A little more than 24 hours after it was announced Syracuse coach Scott Shafer unceremoniously stripped George McDonald of his offensive coordinator duties, the second-year Orange assistant opted not to keep his emotions in check during a 45-minute session with reporters Tuesday. Here is the story from the Syracuse Post-Standard.

A series of tweets documenting McDonald’s answers can be found here. However, here are a couple of McDonald’s answers:
"If I would've known I was only going to get 18 games to be offensive coordinator, I would've stayed at the University of Arkansas.”
Speaking in regards to Syracuse’s receivers, the position he now coaches: “None of them have ever turned their back on me.”
On his frosty relationship with Shafer: “It is what it is.”
He received messages from other college coaches assuring McDonald he is “not as bad as Syracuse thinks I am.” - from ESPN's ACC Morning Links, 10/8/14

This is why social media is for morons.
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(10-07-2014 11:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-07-2014 10:09 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 07:53 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  The budgets of FSU, Miami, Louisville VT clemson Louisivile for football is competitive to ranked Power five conferences. WHat is Syracuse.

THe answer is invest with right coaches (pay the salary)….right business model to get more folks to the game…..

Or.. just be another wake forest…….

We actually make more than half those teams, and last time we had a good football team, we made more than all those teams.

^^^ So, what are you waiting for? ^^^

The will/resolve necessary to put together a good team.
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Some background on Cuse's new OC.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...cart_river
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Syracuse, N.Y. — Syracuse head coach Scott Shafer and wide receivers coach George McDonald clarified that their discussion on Saturday night in which Shafer told McDonald that he would be demoted from offensive coordinator/associate head coach, was in person at Manley Field House in separate phone calls to Syracuse.com on Wednesday.

He didn't fire him over the phone as wrongly reported by the media.
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Wish Marrone had left before the bowl game in 2012 so we could have hired Addazio.

Shafer is basically an interim coach.

At the end of the season Shafer should be canned and SU should pursue Rod Carey.
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(10-08-2014 05:08 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  I still think we go to a bowl game this year and Shafer is around for a long time. Guess we'll see...

I'm going to go out on a short limb and say you are predicting losses to FSU and Clemson, along with a win @ Wake. Those happen to be the next 3 games, leaving Syracuse 3-5 on Oct 25th.

Bowl eligible would mean a 3-1 finish against:
NC State
Duke
@ Pitt
@ BC

Doable but I don't see it based on what I've seen thus far. If they come out and look much improved with a new OC it could happen.
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(10-08-2014 05:40 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:31 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:08 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  I still think we go to a bowl game this year and Shafer is around for a long time. Guess we'll see...

I'm going to go out on a short limb and say you are predicting losses to FSU and Clemson, along with a win @ Wake. Those happen to be the next 3 games, leaving Syracuse 3-5 on Oct 25th.

Bowl eligible would mean a 3-1 finish against:
NC State
Duke
@ Pitt
@ BC

Doable but I don't see it based on what I've seen thus far. If they come out and look much improved with a new OC it could happen.

I actually think we'll split the Florida State/Clemson games (with Florida State the more likely win since it's at home), then win the last 4 games of the season, finishing at 8-4 (6-2 in conference). NC State & BC were both wins last season, and we only lost to Pitt by 1. We'll get a bowl win at the end of the season (because we always win our bowl games) and we finish with a very respectable 9-5 record and some momentum heading into 2015 for a run at the conference title. 04-cheers

Cuse over FSU would be quite the upset this weekend. I can't agree with that prognosis but I like your enthusiasm! 04-cheers 03-lmfao
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(10-08-2014 05:40 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:31 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:08 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  I still think we go to a bowl game this year and Shafer is around for a long time. Guess we'll see...

I'm going to go out on a short limb and say you are predicting losses to FSU and Clemson, along with a win @ Wake. Those happen to be the next 3 games, leaving Syracuse 3-5 on Oct 25th.

Bowl eligible would mean a 3-1 finish against:
NC State
Duke
@ Pitt
@ BC

Doable but I don't see it based on what I've seen thus far. If they come out and look much improved with a new OC it could happen.

I actually think we'll split the Florida State/Clemson games (with Florida State the more likely win since it's at home), then win the last 4 games of the season, finishing at 8-4 (6-2 in conference). NC State & BC were both wins last season, and we only lost to Pitt by 1. We'll get a bowl win at the end of the season (because we always win our bowl games) and we finish with a very respectable 9-4 record and some momentum heading into 2015 for a run at the conference title. 04-cheers

03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

With a new and inexperienced QB and the top wide recievers still out as well as an unproven OC at the major fb level. Keep dreaming. Syracuse also destroyed Maryland last year too. How did that work out this season?

SU will not get to a bowl this season. I really, really, really, really hope you are right and I am wrong, but that's not likely.
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(10-08-2014 06:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:40 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:31 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:08 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  I still think we go to a bowl game this year and Shafer is around for a long time. Guess we'll see...

I'm going to go out on a short limb and say you are predicting losses to FSU and Clemson, along with a win @ Wake. Those happen to be the next 3 games, leaving Syracuse 3-5 on Oct 25th.

Bowl eligible would mean a 3-1 finish against:
NC State
Duke
@ Pitt
@ BC

Doable but I don't see it based on what I've seen thus far. If they come out and look much improved with a new OC it could happen.

I actually think we'll split the Florida State/Clemson games (with Florida State the more likely win since it's at home), then win the last 4 games of the season, finishing at 8-4 (6-2 in conference). NC State & BC were both wins last season, and we only lost to Pitt by 1. We'll get a bowl win at the end of the season (because we always win our bowl games) and we finish with a very respectable 9-4 record and some momentum heading into 2015 for a run at the conference title. 04-cheers

03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

With a new and inexperienced QB and the top wide recievers still out as well as an unproven OC at the major fb level. Keep dreaming. Syracuse also destroyed Maryland last year too. How did that work out this season?

SU will not get to a bowl this season. I really, really, really, really hope you are right and I am wrong, but that's not likely.

Clearly you haven't heard about our secret weapon.

We're going to have a raw bar in FSU's locker room.

EDIT: Either that, or Dino cooking. I'm not sure which is more dangerous.
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