Many of us expected Mike London to get fired last year but UVA didn't pull the trigger. Now UVA is 4-2 and looking pretty good. They even got a vote in the AP poll.

I think if UVA wins 9 games or beats VT, London has saved his job.

PJ has a number of things that could save his job. The main one is selling out the stadium again before the end of the season but winning the Coastal would probably do it. Beating UGA after winning 10 or more games would probably do it as well.

What else could keep these coaches around another year?

London isn't going anywhere. If they go 6-6 and make a bowl he is staying.

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I think Paul Johnson is already safe barring collapse. He's playing with house money now. Is is possible it could be a 10-0 GT playing Clemson at the end of November. If they pull that off ... then you're talking about a chance to bottle lighting with games @ Georgia and the ACC Championship remaining.

(10-05-2014 07:24 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  London isn't going anywhere. If they go 6-6 and make a bowl he is staying.

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With the way the Hoos have improved this year, they'd have to go into the tank completely from here on out for London to be fired, IMO.

The better question you should be asking is "what does Al Golden have to do to keep his job?".

(10-05-2014 09:54 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  The better question you should be asking is "what does Al Golden have to do to keep his job?".

That is the better question...London and Johnson are safe barring a complete breakdown...

(10-05-2014 09:54 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  The better question you should be asking is "what does Al Golden have to do to keep his job?".

Miami won't get rid of Golden...at least not yet. He helped get them through the sanctions so there's probably a bit of loyalty there.

Miami better try to get Schiano before someone else scoops him up.

I'll be cheering for both to succeed. For UL and ACC, to see UVa have a good season that will help out the coastal image/reality....and for the conference as a whole, if GTECH is in the middle of something special that would be excellent for the division and conference if they were undefeated going into Clemson and Georgia games with a chance to run the table going into the ACC championship. Really helps to balance the conference out.

Don't know that Paul Johnson HAS to beat UGA to keep his job, but if he does beat the Dawgs, he can probably stay at GT until he's ready to retire...

Hard to imagine a scenario that would cost either their jobs at this point, short of losing out entirely.

I have to imagine Golden gets next year, but at that point the loyalty has to be considered rewarded, right? I mean, sanctions/cloud or not, he's not showing the ability to consistently win even against teams with equal/lesser talent.

(10-06-2014 09:53 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Hard to imagine a scenario that would cost either their jobs at this point, short of losing out entirely.

I have to imagine Golden gets next year, but at that point the loyalty has to be considered rewarded, right? I mean, sanctions/cloud or not, he's not showing the ability to consistently win even against teams with equal/lesser talent.

One more year should cover it, but you run the risk of getting a top candidate....especially if the Michigan and Florida jobs come open.

(10-06-2014 11:40 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 09:53 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Hard to imagine a scenario that would cost either their jobs at this point, short of losing out entirely.

I have to imagine Golden gets next year, but at that point the loyalty has to be considered rewarded, right? I mean, sanctions/cloud or not, he's not showing the ability to consistently win even against teams with equal/lesser talent.

One more year should cover it, but you run the risk of getting a top candidate....especially if the Michigan and Florida jobs come open.

If the UF and Michigan jobs come open THIS year, even better reason for Miami to give Golden one more year. They're not getting any top coach over those programs, no way.

(10-06-2014 12:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:40 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 09:53 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Hard to imagine a scenario that would cost either their jobs at this point, short of losing out entirely.

I have to imagine Golden gets next year, but at that point the loyalty has to be considered rewarded, right? I mean, sanctions/cloud or not, he's not showing the ability to consistently win even against teams with equal/lesser talent.

One more year should cover it, but you run the risk of getting a top candidate....especially if the Michigan and Florida jobs come open.

If the UF and Michigan jobs come open THIS year, even better reason for Miami to give Golden one more year. They're not getting any top coach over those programs, no way.

Is there ever a year where there is no risk of another top job coming open? You are where you are in the pecking order for coaching jobs, and if you aren't getting better on the field then you are probably getting worse. Waiting to pull the trigger is more likely to hurt you than help you in that situation.

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:40 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 09:53 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Hard to imagine a scenario that would cost either their jobs at this point, short of losing out entirely.

I have to imagine Golden gets next year, but at that point the loyalty has to be considered rewarded, right? I mean, sanctions/cloud or not, he's not showing the ability to consistently win even against teams with equal/lesser talent.

One more year should cover it, but you run the risk of getting a top candidate....especially if the Michigan and Florida jobs come open.

If the UF and Michigan jobs come open THIS year, even better reason for Miami to give Golden one more year. They're not getting any top coach over those programs, no way.

Is there ever a year where there is no risk of another top job coming open? You are where you are in the pecking order for coaching jobs, and if you aren't getting better on the field then you are probably getting worse. Waiting to pull the trigger is more likely to hurt you than help you in that situation.

I agree with your premise 100%. You got the right guy or you don't...waiting/not waiting based on who is available is a fool's errand.

I was just reacting to the implication that Miami might should fire Golden this or else lose out on a coach to Michigan or UF. That premise is absurd, because UM has no possibility of competing against those schools for a head coach.

(10-06-2014 02:44 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:40 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 09:53 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Hard to imagine a scenario that would cost either their jobs at this point, short of losing out entirely.

I have to imagine Golden gets next year, but at that point the loyalty has to be considered rewarded, right? I mean, sanctions/cloud or not, he's not showing the ability to consistently win even against teams with equal/lesser talent.

One more year should cover it, but you run the risk of getting a top candidate....especially if the Michigan and Florida jobs come open.

If the UF and Michigan jobs come open THIS year, even better reason for Miami to give Golden one more year. They're not getting any top coach over those programs, no way.

Is there ever a year where there is no risk of another top job coming open? You are where you are in the pecking order for coaching jobs, and if you aren't getting better on the field then you are probably getting worse. Waiting to pull the trigger is more likely to hurt you than help you in that situation.

I agree with your premise 100%. You got the right guy or you don't...waiting/not waiting based on who is available is a fool's errand.

I was just reacting to the implication that Miami might should fire Golden this or else lose out on a coach to Michigan or UF. That premise is absurd, because UM has no possibility of competing against those schools for a head coach.

That's why I said it's a risk. If you get rid of Golden and UF/Mich come open..then you're screwed. But if those two jobs don't come open then all of a sudden you might get a really attractive candidate.

I doubt that UF/Michigan would be in competition with the type coach that Miami is going to hire anyway. Going by their history they aren't going to go after a blockbuster candidate. They'll hire from within or go after someone with a modicum of success at a lower level school. UF and Michigan are both at the points where they have to have a big name or people higher up in the hierarchy are likely looking for their next job.

Most programs have an institutional history as to who they look for in a coach. Clemson typically hires from within or from a lower level school. Only twice in history have we hired a football coach away from a peer program...John Heisman from Auburn and Ken Hatfield from Arkansas. South Carolina, however, tends to hire experienced coaches or coaches from peer programs. Paul Dietzel from Army, Jim Carlen from Texas Tech, Joe Morrison from New Mexico, Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier.

I just hope the next coach we hire is a good one. We haven't had a "good system" in place in a long time.

Who could replace Al Golden? Ruffin McNeil from ECU? ODU's Bobby Wilder?

Miami needs to return to the days of having a thug or mafia like head coach. Somebody that strikes fear in the opposing coaches. Nobody is scared of Golden. My vote is still for Schiano

(10-06-2014 08:44 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Miami needs to return to the days of having a thug or mafia like head coach. Somebody that strikes fear in the opposing coaches. Nobody is scared of Golden. My vote is still for Schiano

Their fans are bad enough. Don't feed the problem. Saturday they earned the dubious honor of joining the VT fans at the 201(2?) ACC-CG against Clemson for the only time I've seen general douchebaggery amongst ACC fans.

(10-06-2014 08:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 08:44 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Miami needs to return to the days of having a thug or mafia like head coach. Somebody that strikes fear in the opposing coaches. Nobody is scared of Golden. My vote is still for Schiano

Their fans are bad enough. Don't feed the problem. Saturday they earned the dubious honor of joining the VT fans at the 201(2?) ACC-CG against Clemson for the only time I've seen general douchebaggery amongst ACC fans.

You must not go to many games in Carter-Finley.