There are some serious delusion folks on this thread.


You REALLY believe if the ACC starts winning it will get proportional respect to the SEC?


If you believe this you don't understand this is about money.


FSU is something like 5-1 over the last 6 games against the SEC....it gets ripped to shreds by ESPN.

FSU fans have documented the bias.



No amount of winning will change ESPN...it is about $$$$. At this point, ESPN is making the SEC have a BIGGER advantage and making the old "just win" montra just silly.


Look at who ESPN has hired over the last 5 years. Almost every talking head on that network is now DIRECTLY tied to the SEC. That group won't give the ACC any respect short of winning 5 national titles in a row.



ACC folks sang this same silly tune during TV contract times..."If FSU had only won more we would of had a better TV contract" (FSU won 2 national titles and had 14 straight years in the top 4 before a 5 year period right above .500 but all the TV contract needed was even MORE winning).

Now we are back to "trust me, if we win more, Paul Finebaum will give the ACC credit"......really? You have to be off your rocker to buy this BS.


THe ACC has a REAL issue. It's own network is actively working against the ACC and stacked about 30 talking heads from a competiting conference to the ACC's 1-2 (Danny Kannell). Sorry folks, this isn't about winning or losing. THe ACC has a REAL strategic disadvantage and from what I can tell it is just IGNORING the issue or worse misidentifying it.


THe ACC just never seems to be able to correctly identify and address it's issues. It is either run by incompetents or they just dont' give a damn.


Signing with ESPN was a huge mistake and I dont' see the ACC making ANY progress in football despite supposed efforts otherwise. But being in bed with a network that works against us just is the cherry on the top of a train wreck.

(10-07-2014 10:45 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  APPLE:
Because Florida chose to suspend Harris immediately, I don't see why the kid would garner any additional coverage from ESPN. He's suspended and will go away.

ORANGE:
Jameis was in the middle of a Heisman campaign (and FSU was in the middle of a BCS title chase) when his allegations came out. FSU brass did themselves no favors by "appearing" to cover it up, and failing to suspend him. All of that seemed to invite more coverage from ESPN.

Yep.

(10-07-2014 01:02 PM)nole Wrote:  There are some serious delusion folks on this thread.


You REALLY believe if the ACC starts winning it will get proportional respect to the SEC?


If you believe this you don't understand this is about money.


FSU is something like 5-1 over the last 6 games against the SEC....it gets ripped to shreds by ESPN.

FSU fans have documented the bias.



No amount of winning will change ESPN...it is about $$$$. At this point, ESPN is making the SEC have a BIGGER advantage and making the old "just win" montra just silly.


Look at who ESPN has hired over the last 5 years. Almost every talking head on that network is now DIRECTLY tied to the SEC. That group won't give the ACC any respect short of winning 5 national titles in a row.



ACC folks sang this same silly tune during TV contract times..."If FSU had only won more we would of had a better TV contract" (FSU won 2 national titles and had 14 straight years in the top 4 before a 5 year period right above .500 but all the TV contract needed was even MORE winning).

Now we are back to "trust me, if we win more, Paul Finebaum will give the ACC credit"......really? You have to be off your rocker to buy this BS.


THe ACC has a REAL issue. It's own network is actively working against the ACC and stacked about 30 talking heads from a competiting conference to the ACC's 1-2 (Danny Kannell). Sorry folks, this isn't about winning or losing. THe ACC has a REAL strategic disadvantage and from what I can tell it is just IGNORING the issue or worse misidentifying it.


THe ACC just never seems to be able to correctly identify and address it's issues. It is either run by incompetents or they just dont' give a damn.


Signing with ESPN was a huge mistake and I dont' see the ACC making ANY progress in football despite supposed efforts otherwise. But being in bed with a network that works against us just is the cherry on the top of a train wreck.

1) FSU should love ESPN ripping them to shreds. Jimbo can use that as "us against the world". Truthfully, this is what happens when you're one of the top dogs. The microscope gets really focused on everything you do.

2) Have you looked at the tv ratings for the other networks not named ESPN/ABC or CBS (for the SEC)?

3) So the ACC isn't making progress? So FSU won the national title last year for the first time since 1999. Clemson has now become a household name in the college football world. ACC won two major bowls for the first time last year. Louisville has replaced Maryland. The ACC gets 5 opportunities a year to beat the Irish. So I don't really follow your logic.

(10-07-2014 11:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The SEC is the premier conference in America. The SEC west is amazing.

In my mind there is only one elite SEC team - Auburn. They played for the national championship last year and will probably be in the playoffs this year as well.

By contrast, I think Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas A&M, Georgia and Missouri are all on the level of Clemson, Notre Dame, maybe even Louisville - very good but not championship material.

I think S Carolina is roughly equal to Ga Tech and Arkansas is a fair match for Duke.

Here are the RPI numbers to back it up - LINK.

Wow. This thread does have delusional people in it.

SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

FSU is the ACC but still the SEC>ACC.

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The SEC is the premier conference in America. The SEC west is amazing.

In my mind there is only one elite SEC team - Auburn. They played for the national championship last year and will probably be in the playoffs this year as well.

By contrast, I think Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas A&M, Georgia and Missouri are all on the level of Clemson, Notre Dame, maybe even Louisville - very good but not championship material.

I think S Carolina is roughly equal to Ga Tech and Arkansas is a fair match for Duke.

Here are the RPI numbers to back it up - LINK.

Wow. This thread does have delusional people in it.

SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

FSU is the ACC but still the SEC>ACC.

Miami won a BCS championship. Can they be counted?

Oh and FSU and Clemson are over 80k. Don't give me this well Clemson is only 79k...that's after 3 games. Check back at the end of the year. They'll get their 80k.

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

Irrelevant to what's going on NOW, in 2014. Pittsburgh has a ridiculous number of national championships if you want to go down THAT road. So does Ga Tech.

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Irrelevant to winning. The Big Ten has even MORE people in attendance than the SEC. Did all those thousands of fans help Ohio State beat Va Tech?

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

Just evidence of the point being made in this thread - the poll rankings don't reflect reality. Not saying the ACC should have 7 or the SEC only 2, but SEC is definitely being inflated right now while the ACC is definitely being held down.

(10-07-2014 01:41 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The SEC is the premier conference in America. The SEC west is amazing.

In my mind there is only one elite SEC team - Auburn. They played for the national championship last year and will probably be in the playoffs this year as well.

By contrast, I think Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas A&M, Georgia and Missouri are all on the level of Clemson, Notre Dame, maybe even Louisville - very good but not championship material.

I think S Carolina is roughly equal to Ga Tech and Arkansas is a fair match for Duke.

Here are the RPI numbers to back it up - LINK.

Wow. This thread does have delusional people in it.

SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

FSU is the ACC but still the SEC>ACC.

Miami won a BCS championship. Can they be counted?

Oh and FSU and Clemson are over 80k. Don't give me this well Clemson is only 79k...that's after 3 games. Check back at the end of the year. They'll get their 80k.

We should be over 80k average for the year this week. Dabo said at his press conference only about 200 tickets remain for Saturday.

(10-07-2014 01:41 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The SEC is the premier conference in America. The SEC west is amazing.

In my mind there is only one elite SEC team - Auburn. They played for the national championship last year and will probably be in the playoffs this year as well.

By contrast, I think Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas A&M, Georgia and Missouri are all on the level of Clemson, Notre Dame, maybe even Louisville - very good but not championship material.

I think S Carolina is roughly equal to Ga Tech and Arkansas is a fair match for Duke.

Here are the RPI numbers to back it up - LINK.

Wow. This thread does have delusional people in it.

SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

FSU is the ACC but still the SEC>ACC.

Miami won a BCS championship. Can they be counted?

Were they in the ACC?

(10-07-2014 06:57 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:41 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The SEC is the premier conference in America. The SEC west is amazing.

In my mind there is only one elite SEC team - Auburn. They played for the national championship last year and will probably be in the playoffs this year as well.

By contrast, I think Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas A&M, Georgia and Missouri are all on the level of Clemson, Notre Dame, maybe even Louisville - very good but not championship material.

I think S Carolina is roughly equal to Ga Tech and Arkansas is a fair match for Duke.

Here are the RPI numbers to back it up - LINK.

Wow. This thread does have delusional people in it.

SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

FSU is the ACC but still the SEC>ACC.

Miami won a BCS championship. Can they be counted?

Were they in the ACC?

No, but that's not what you said. You said "ACC Teams that have won a BCS Championship". That can be easily interpreted as current teams in the ACC who have won a championship. Miami is now an ACC team.

It's called marketing the brand. You don't think the BIG touted Nebraska's history when they expanded with them....of course they did.

(10-07-2014 09:03 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 06:57 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:41 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  In my mind there is only one elite SEC team - Auburn. They played for the national championship last year and will probably be in the playoffs this year as well.

By contrast, I think Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas A&M, Georgia and Missouri are all on the level of Clemson, Notre Dame, maybe even Louisville - very good but not championship material.

I think S Carolina is roughly equal to Ga Tech and Arkansas is a fair match for Duke.

Here are the RPI numbers to back it up - LINK.

Wow. This thread does have delusional people in it.

SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

FSU is the ACC but still the SEC>ACC.

Miami won a BCS championship. Can they be counted?

Were they in the ACC?

No, but that's not what you said. You said "ACC Teams that have won a BCS Championship". That can be easily interpreted as current teams in the ACC who have won a championship. Miami is now an ACC team.

It's called marketing the brand. You don't think the BIG touted Nebraska's history when they expanded with them....of course they did.

Fine, I'll give you 2.

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

Irrelevant to what's going on NOW, in 2014. Pittsburgh has a ridiculous number of national championships if you want to go down THAT road. So does Ga Tech.

So does Alabama, Tennessee, and by the way many of those Georgia Tech championships were while they were in the Southern Conference or the SEC. Georgia has 1 not counted in the BCS era as does Auburn. Which by the way has two national championships officially, one of which was in the last 5 years so how can you say they aren't championship material as you posted earlier.

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Irrelevant to winning. The Big Ten has even MORE people in attendance than the SEC. Did all those thousands of fans help Ohio State beat Va Tech?

Lets see your proof on this one. Last year the SEC outdrew the Big 10 in attendance by an average of 5,000 per game (75,000 to 70,000) as a conference. This year the SEC attendance is up. So where's your data?

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

Just evidence of the point being made in this thread - the poll rankings don't reflect reality. Not saying the ACC should have 7 or the SEC only 2, but SEC is definitely being inflated right now while the ACC is definitely being held down.

No it is evidence of the depth of the SEC. Look at the the P5 wins vs losses as published on the main board in a couple of threads and you'll get the reasoning behind the rankings although I've never been a fan of polls either.

I think you guys have some merit in saying that some of your schools are not played up enough, but the stuff I read as to why you want to claim the SEC's rep is inflated is just so much spun up hot air in some cases and just flat out factually wrong in others.

The main thing the ACC has to do is win those marquee match ups when you get them. That alone will accomplish your goal of recognition and it will be indelible. F.S.U. beating the recent version of the Gators is not something to thump your chest about. The national championship was. Unfortunately Winston by his own number of misdeeds detracted from what should have been an epic shining moment.

Clemson and Georgia need to play middle of the season when both are up to snuff. The results of that game are based more upon who gets the best start out of the gate than on ability or talent. And that's about it.

(10-08-2014 04:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

Irrelevant to what's going on NOW, in 2014. Pittsburgh has a ridiculous number of national championships if you want to go down THAT road. So does Ga Tech.

So does Alabama, Tennessee, and by the way many of those Georgia Tech championships were while they were in the Southern Conference or the SEC. Georgia has 1 not counted in the BCS era as does Auburn. Which by the way has two national championships officially, one of which was in the last 5 years so how can you say they aren't championship material as you posted earlier.

JR, I think you're mixing 2 unrelated issues here.
1) former championships have NOTHING to do with THIS YEAR.
2) Alabama is very good this year, but is NOT national champ material THIS YEAR.

BTW, one of those Alabama BCS titles - the rematch with LSU - should have an asterisk because the best team in the country (Oklahoma State) was cheated out of a chance to play by the biased pollsters (the point of this thread)

(10-08-2014 04:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Irrelevant to winning. The Big Ten has even MORE people in attendance than the SEC. Did all those thousands of fans help Ohio State beat Va Tech?

Lets see your proof on this one. Last year the SEC outdrew the Big 10 in attendance by an average of 5,000 per game (75,000 to 70,000) as a conference. This year the SEC attendance is up. So where's your data?

I stand corrected on the total attendance - didn't realize how good SEC attendance was this year. However, the point about it being irrelevant to winning still stands. Ohio State is #1 in attendance, yet VT went to their house and beat them.

(10-08-2014 04:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

Just evidence of the point being made in this thread - the poll rankings don't reflect reality. Not saying the ACC should have 7 or the SEC only 2, but SEC is definitely being inflated right now while the ACC is definitely being held down.

No it is evidence of the depth of the SEC. Look at the the P5 wins vs losses as published on the main board in a couple of threads and you'll get the reasoning behind the rankings although I've never been a fan of polls either.

I think you guys have some merit in saying that some of your schools are not played up enough, but the stuff I read as to why you want to claim the SEC's rep is inflated is just so much spun up hot air in some cases and just flat out factually wrong in others.

The main thing the ACC has to do is win those marquee match ups when you get them. That alone will accomplish your goal of recognition and it will be indelible. F.S.U. beating the recent version of the Gators is not something to thump your chest about. The national championship was. Unfortunately Winston by his own number of misdeeds detracted from what should have been an epic shining moment.

Clemson and Georgia need to play middle of the season when both are up to snuff. The results of that game are based more upon who gets the best start out of the gate than on ability or talent. And that's about it.

The problem with polls - and many fans - is that they focus on LOSSES instead of WINS. This is how a team which beats up on cupcakes can be ranked ahead of a team which splits games with a bunch of ranked teams. The real victims of this thinking so far has been Oklahoma and the entire Pac-12, which has played a tougher schedule than most SEC West teams. For example, Alabama (everyone's golden boy) has played one tough team - Ole Miss - and lost. Is it a "good loss"? I don't care! I'm more interested in "good wins" - and so far there just aren't any. Yet Bama only falls 4 spots while Oklahoma - with a very similar schedule so far - fell 7 spots. That is BIAS!

If FSU, VT, Clemson, and Miami won the next 6 NC's, there would be a pro-ACC bias. It is what it is. Yes, there probably is a pro-SEC bias, but they earned it.

(10-08-2014 09:38 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  If FSU, VT, Clemson, and Miami won the next 6 NC's, there would be a pro-ACC bias. It is what it is. Yes, there probably is a pro-SEC bias, but they earned it.

I agree with this. ESPN has no interest in the ACC's failure. When we give them something to work with, they'll take care of the ACC too I believe.

(10-08-2014 09:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The problem with polls - and many fans - is that they focus on LOSSES instead of WINS. This is how a team which beats up on cupcakes can be ranked ahead of a team which splits games with a bunch of ranked teams. The real victims of this thinking so far has been Oklahoma and the entire Pac-12, which has played a tougher schedule than most SEC West teams. For example, Alabama (everyone's golden boy) has played one tough team - Ole Miss - and lost. Is it a "good loss"? I don't care! I'm more interested in "good wins" - and so far there just aren't any. Yet Bama only falls 4 spots while Oklahoma - with a very similar schedule so far - fell 7 spots. That is BIAS!

I honestly believe that the Selection Committee will focus on both "good wins" and "good losses." This is part of the strength of schedule analysis. Of course, the good wins should absolutely merit the most importance.

Oklahoma has decent wins over Tennessee (2-3) at home and West Virginia (3-2) on the road. The close 33-37 road loss to TCU (5-0) is a good loss.

Alabama also has a decent win over West Virginia (3-2) at a neutral site and a decent win over Florida (3-1) at home. The close 17-23 road loss at Ole Miss (5-0) is a good loss.

Obviously, we're only 5 games in and a lot will change in the next two months. But right now, neither team really has a good win. The two are about even, with perhaps a slight edge to Oklahoma for winning two true road games versus Alabama's one neutral-site victory (against the same opponent that Oklahoma beat on the road).

(10-08-2014 09:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 04:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC teams that have won a BCS championship: 5
ACC teams that have won a BCS championship: 1

Irrelevant to what's going on NOW, in 2014. Pittsburgh has a ridiculous number of national championships if you want to go down THAT road. So does Ga Tech.

So does Alabama, Tennessee, and by the way many of those Georgia Tech championships were while they were in the Southern Conference or the SEC. Georgia has 1 not counted in the BCS era as does Auburn. Which by the way has two national championships officially, one of which was in the last 5 years so how can you say they aren't championship material as you posted earlier.

JR, I think you're mixing 2 unrelated issues here.
1) former championships have NOTHING to do with THIS YEAR.
2) Alabama is very good this year, but is NOT national champ material THIS YEAR.

BTW, one of those Alabama BCS titles - the rematch with LSU - should have an asterisk because the best team in the country (Oklahoma State) was cheated out of a chance to play by the biased pollsters (the point of this thread)

(10-08-2014 04:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  SEC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 8
ACC schools that have attendance over 80,000: 1

Irrelevant to winning. The Big Ten has even MORE people in attendance than the SEC. Did all those thousands of fans help Ohio State beat Va Tech?

Lets see your proof on this one. Last year the SEC outdrew the Big 10 in attendance by an average of 5,000 per game (75,000 to 70,000) as a conference. This year the SEC attendance is up. So where's your data?

I stand corrected on the total attendance - didn't realize how good SEC attendance was this year. However, the point about it being irrelevant to winning still stands. Ohio State is #1 in attendance, yet VT went to their house and beat them.

(10-08-2014 04:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Current SEC schools ranked in the top 25: 7
Current ACC schools ranked in the top 25: 2

Just evidence of the point being made in this thread - the poll rankings don't reflect reality. Not saying the ACC should have 7 or the SEC only 2, but SEC is definitely being inflated right now while the ACC is definitely being held down.

No it is evidence of the depth of the SEC. Look at the the P5 wins vs losses as published on the main board in a couple of threads and you'll get the reasoning behind the rankings although I've never been a fan of polls either.

I think you guys have some merit in saying that some of your schools are not played up enough, but the stuff I read as to why you want to claim the SEC's rep is inflated is just so much spun up hot air in some cases and just flat out factually wrong in others.

The main thing the ACC has to do is win those marquee match ups when you get them. That alone will accomplish your goal of recognition and it will be indelible. F.S.U. beating the recent version of the Gators is not something to thump your chest about. The national championship was. Unfortunately Winston by his own number of misdeeds detracted from what should have been an epic shining moment.

Clemson and Georgia need to play middle of the season when both are up to snuff. The results of that game are based more upon who gets the best start out of the gate than on ability or talent. And that's about it.

The problem with polls - and many fans - is that they focus on LOSSES instead of WINS. This is how a team which beats up on cupcakes can be ranked ahead of a team which splits games with a bunch of ranked teams. The real victims of this thinking so far has been Oklahoma and the entire Pac-12, which has played a tougher schedule than most SEC West teams. For example, Alabama (everyone's golden boy) has played one tough team - Ole Miss - and lost. Is it a "good loss"? I don't care! I'm more interested in "good wins" - and so far there just aren't any. Yet Bama only falls 4 spots while Oklahoma - with a very similar schedule so far - fell 7 spots. That is BIAS!

I agree about Alabama being overrated and frankly by the end of the season I think Ole Miss will fall into that category as well, just not as much. Mississippi State is underrated IMO. But the sheer truth of the matter is that none of us know at this point which wins are good wins and which losses are bad losses until closer to the end of the season. Alabama did beat W.V.U., but is that a good win? Auburn had a close win over Kansas State on the road but is that a lackluster win? Should KState end by winning the Big 12 that's a big win, but if they drop three between now and then it's not. Oklahoma could wind up being strong, but they could also end up losing to Baylor and Kansas State. Making these assumptions right now is folly whether for pollsters or fans. If U.S.C loses a few more how good is B.C.'s win? The variables are endless until the bulk of the season's work is in. L.S.U.'s win over Wisconsin seemed big back in early September, but doesn't look like much now.

As for as attendance goes, no it doesn't make a winner or a loser but is reflective of fan confidence (and / or blind support) of a team.

As for championships, I misread your the point you were trying to make and understand your position.

But we won't know until mid November or later in some cases which were big wins and which were not. The SEC West is undefeated against P5, G5, and a few FCS schools. Their only losses are to each other, but even then we need to wait and see before we can deduce whether they were over or under rated.

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if Alabama dropped the game this weekend. Arkansas matches up with them quite well. The A&M/Ole Miss game will tell us a lot as well.