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West = Weak?
The East has 5 of 7 teams halfway to bowl eligibility and own a 3-0 record vs the West; ODU beat Rice, MTSU beat So. Miss, and FAU beat UTSA. The West has only has 1 of 6 teams with 3 wins. The West has played some tough non-conference games but the East is clearly best right now.
10-05-2014 12:50 PM
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The more intriguing question is if Marshall and LA Tech win out, is LA Tech the absolute bad guy after FCS loss? Is it similar (albeit worse) to USM vs. UH after an inexplicable Eagle loss to UAB?
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At this point, I'd have to agree. REALLY disappointed in our team, and UNT's demise is equally disappointing to our conference strength. The East looks good.
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(10-05-2014 05:05 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  The more intriguing question is if Marshall and LA Tech win out, is LA Tech the absolute bad guy after FCS loss? Is it similar (albeit worse) to USM vs. UH after an inexplicable Eagle loss to UAB?

Yes. If it knocked us out of playing the Peach bowl and getting the money for the conference that comes with that, hell yes. But if we go 12-0 (8-0) and host the championship game (like we should have last year) we won't lose. No team from Texas or Louisiana is going to come to WV in December and win.
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(10-05-2014 06:04 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 05:05 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  The more intriguing question is if Marshall and LA Tech win out, is LA Tech the absolute bad guy after FCS loss? Is it similar (albeit worse) to USM vs. UH after an inexplicable Eagle loss to UAB?

Yes. If it knocked us out of playing the Peach bowl and getting the money for the conference that comes with that, hell yes. But if we go 12-0 (8-0) and host the championship game (like we should have last year) we won't lose. No team from Texas or Louisiana is going to come to WV in December and win.

That would be tough. Hopefully y'all have to come to Ruston after dropping a CUSA game.
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(10-05-2014 06:04 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 05:05 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  The more intriguing question is if Marshall and LA Tech win out, is LA Tech the absolute bad guy after FCS loss? Is it similar (albeit worse) to USM vs. UH after an inexplicable Eagle loss to UAB?

Yes. If it knocked us out of playing the Peach bowl and getting the money for the conference that comes with that, hell yes. But if we go 12-0 (8-0) and host the championship game (like we should have last year) we won't lose. No team from Texas or Louisiana is going to come to WV in December and win.

I'm assuming you're talking about C-USA teams from Texas and Louisiana and agree with you this year. I think you guys will run the table. Hopefully you won't disappoint in the bowl game.
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(10-05-2014 11:42 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Hopefully you won't disappoint in the bowl game.

Did you know Marshall has the highest NCAA bowl game winning percentage (minimum 10 bowl appearances)? Marshall is 8-2 in NCAA bowl games?

That and a quarter won't buy a cup of coffee, but Marshall usually kicks it in bowl games. (also fun fact, Marshall lost the 1947 Tangerine Bowl, but the NCAA doesn't count that game).
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(10-05-2014 06:04 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 05:05 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  The more intriguing question is if Marshall and LA Tech win out, is LA Tech the absolute bad guy after FCS loss? Is it similar (albeit worse) to USM vs. UH after an inexplicable Eagle loss to UAB?

Yes. If it knocked us out of playing the Peach bowl and getting the money for the conference that comes with that, hell yes. But if we go 12-0 (8-0) and host the championship game (like we should have last year) we won't lose. No team from Texas or Louisiana is going to come to WV in December and win.

That happened when we were in the WAC. Boise was set to go to a major bowl and Fresno or Nevada beat them...cost everyone money.
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(10-05-2014 11:48 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 11:42 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Hopefully you won't disappoint in the bowl game.

Did you know Marshall has the highest NCAA bowl game winning percentage (minimum 10 bowl appearances)? Marshall is 8-2 in NCAA bowl games?

That and a quarter won't buy a cup of coffee, but Marshall usually kicks it in bowl games. (also fun fact, Marshall lost the 1947 Tangerine Bowl, but the NCAA doesn't count that game).

Yes, that's something else Marshall fans have said on here before. Why doesn't the NCAA count the '47 Tangerine Bowl?

Btw, the only reason I made that comment was because if you guys do run the table and go undefeated, you can probably expect a far more difficult bowl opponent than Maryland, one which your OOC schedule definitely wouldn't have prepared you for, nor our C-USA teams.
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(10-05-2014 11:52 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 06:04 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 05:05 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  The more intriguing question is if Marshall and LA Tech win out, is LA Tech the absolute bad guy after FCS loss? Is it similar (albeit worse) to USM vs. UH after an inexplicable Eagle loss to UAB?

Yes. If it knocked us out of playing the Peach bowl and getting the money for the conference that comes with that, hell yes. But if we go 12-0 (8-0) and host the championship game (like we should have last year) we won't lose. No team from Texas or Louisiana is going to come to WV in December and win.

That happened when we were in the WAC. Boise was set to go to a major bowl and Fresno or Nevada beat them...cost everyone money.

I think that was the Nevada - short goal posts fiasco.
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The West imploding has been disappointing. A few weeks ago I'd say they were the clear cut stronger division, but not so much now. I was really hoping their champ would come into Huntington ranked and the conference would have had 2 ranked teams playing in the championship.
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(10-05-2014 05:47 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  At this point, I'd have to agree. REALLY disappointed in our team, and UNT's demise is equally disappointing to our conference strength. The East looks good.

The surprise in the west to me in a positive direction is LTU. I know they lost to NW St but that was a fluke. They turned the ball over so much that they could have lost to almost anyone that night. But they whipped UNT and ULL on the road, clobbered UTEP and actually competed decently at Auburn. They are better than I thought they would be this season.

UTSA is the big surprise to me in the negative. I thought with so many starters back that the Runners would easily take the west title. Replacing Soza was a bigger deal than I thought. That big win over Houston had me convinced they would be in the C-USA champ game.

UNT struggling has not surprised me at all. They will be back in the title mix soon but they lost so much from last year's team that I really felt they would do well to have a 6 win season.

I see LTU and Rice as bowl teams from the west and that's about it. Marshall, MT, UAB and maybe FIU from the east.
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(10-05-2014 11:57 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 11:48 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 11:42 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Hopefully you won't disappoint in the bowl game.

Did you know Marshall has the highest NCAA bowl game winning percentage (minimum 10 bowl appearances)? Marshall is 8-2 in NCAA bowl games?

That and a quarter won't buy a cup of coffee, but Marshall usually kicks it in bowl games. (also fun fact, Marshall lost the 1947 Tangerine Bowl, but the NCAA doesn't count that game).

Yes, that's something else Marshall fans have said on here before. Why doesn't the NCAA count the '47 Tangerine Bowl?

Btw, the only reason I made that comment was because if you guys do run the table and go undefeated, you can probably expect a far more difficult bowl opponent than Maryland, one which your OOC schedule definitely wouldn't have prepared you for, nor our C-USA teams.

The 47 bowl was not an ncaa sanctioned event..... it would be like say, Michigan State and FSU playing another game at a neutral site after the title game last year to settle the score and set up between the shools and a sponsor.

And volkmar, i would extend that to any team in texas, including A&M, and LSU, would have a hard time winning this year in huntington. The OOC "preparing you for tougher games" is bogus. UTSA for example, played a gauntlet, and then lost to FAU and UNM... it doesn't help anything. You either are, or are not a good football team. Marshall is a good football team, that is not playing to the level of its competition and thats a good thing. I think this team got their wakeup call after relaxing up 28-3 at half vs Miami. That game most likely saved our season and the guys are obviously focused now and playing with a hell of a lot of confidence.

I would welcome anyone in the nation to huntington and expect a competitive game this season. Never seen a better team fielded by Marshall and we have had some good ones.

That being said, La Tech was my pick out of the west. I still believe they could win out and be a good opponent in the title game.

I too, have been very disappointed in utsa, but i said from game 1, that the defense cant do it alone and you need an offense. I used stats to back that up and was heckled for it due to the "ooc sos". Stats rarely ever lie about how a team can perform and are very indicative of a teams strengths and weaknesses after 3-4 games in.

Ill be running the numbers and updating the stats thread after this weeks games.
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(10-06-2014 08:35 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  I see LTU and Rice as bowl teams from the west and that's about it.

I would like to be as confident about Rice. We need to win the other three home games (North Texas, UTSA, and UTEP), and all three will probably come to play. The sixth win has to come on the road (Army, Florida International, Marshall, Lousiana Tech). I hope the Owls get that road win Saturday at Army so we are not sweating through the FIU game.
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