(10-06-2014 12:13 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  There is something to be said for a school that gives the opportunity to be a first time head coach. There is a reason many coaches stay at their schools for long long periods of time. Money is a factor, but not always the final factor. CJF is not a self promoting, self centered, narcissistic type that we have had experience with in the past (in another sport.)

Keep improving and upgrading the football program, treat him right, pay him well (commensurate with his ability and market) and the U of M will have done all that can be done.

I think he is happy with things so far and he will not consider leaving, but will use any offer from another school to improve his contract. Any coach would do the same. Things are different at the U of M now with a new administration and direction.

There is a lot to be said for a first time coach who gets along very well with his AD also.

(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 01:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Michigan fans say Harbaugh, Miles or Mullen. Of those 3, I think only Mullen is realistic.

Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

Surely you are joking?

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 01:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Michigan fans say Harbaugh, Miles or Mullen. Of those 3, I think only Mullen is realistic.

Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

Surely you are joking?

I'm starting to wonder if Michigan or Nebraska will ever be dominate again. Why would a 5 star from the south go up there now? Even Ohio St looks like they could be slipping.

(10-06-2014 12:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 01:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Michigan fans say Harbaugh, Miles or Mullen. Of those 3, I think only Mullen is realistic.

Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

Surely you are joking?

I'm starting to wonder if Michigan or Nebraska will ever be dominate again. Why would a 5 star from the south go up there now? Even Ohio St looks like they could be slipping.

Huh?

I hope you weren't listening to that mouth breather on 56 this morning.

OSU slipping? They have gone something like 28-3 under Meyer.

In OSU's 2013 recruiting class (ranked 2nd nationally) 10 of their 18 4* and 5* recruits were from "warm weather" states (CA, FL, TX, SC and MS).

They get a bulk of their line from Ohio and PA and their skill kids from the South. Their 2014 class was #3 nationally.

(10-06-2014 12:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 01:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Michigan fans say Harbaugh, Miles or Mullen. Of those 3, I think only Mullen is realistic.

Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

Surely you are joking?

I'm starting to wonder if Michigan or Nebraska will ever be dominate again. Why would a 5 star from the south go up there now? Even Ohio St looks like they could be slipping.

Huh?

I hope you weren't listening to that mouth breather on 56 this morning.

OSU slipping? They have gone something like 28-3 under Meyer.

In OSU's 2013 recruiting class (ranked 2nd nationally) 10 of their 18 4* and 5* recruits were from "warm weather" states (CA, FL, TX, SC and MS).

They get a bulk of their line from Ohio and PA and their skill kids from the South. Their 2014 class was #3 nationally.

Well maybe not Ohio State. But Michigan and Nebraska for sure.

(10-06-2014 12:50 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

Surely you are joking?

I'm starting to wonder if Michigan or Nebraska will ever be dominate again. Why would a 5 star from the south go up there now? Even Ohio St looks like they could be slipping.

Huh?

I hope you weren't listening to that mouth breather on 56 this morning.

OSU slipping? They have gone something like 28-3 under Meyer.

In OSU's 2013 recruiting class (ranked 2nd nationally) 10 of their 18 4* and 5* recruits were from "warm weather" states (CA, FL, TX, SC and MS).

They get a bulk of their line from Ohio and PA and their skill kids from the South. Their 2014 class was #3 nationally.

Well maybe not Ohio State. But Michigan and Nebraska for sure.

Maybe the Michigan folks should have listened to TOGC and followed the 5 year "no fire" rule, because Rodriguez is doing good work at Zona. He had been improving at Michigan and was having to switch personnel from pro style to his spread, which takes a few years. I imagine if he were still there (he'd be in his 6th year) that Michigan would be pretty damn good.

As for Nebraska, Pellini isn't the answer, but it seems as though the admin has double downed so much on Bo that the pot is too deep to fold now.

(10-06-2014 11:15 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:08 AM)GoTigersGo1904 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:33 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Radio stated he was on Kansas list.

He's too smart to go to Kansas, it's a black-hole.

Well, he's already had the guts to take a "black hole" job once.

I don't think he would make that move on the account that he's in a much better situation. Money does talk, but it would have to be fairly significant for him to walk to Kansas.

(10-06-2014 12:02 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:13 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:38 AM)Crazier Wrote:  If I was Bowen, I would be telling Fuente that we will be in the B12 with him as coach.

So you advocate lying?

No. We can be better than Boise in their glory years with Fuente.

Fuente is Memphis' best and only chance to make the B12.. b/c basketball isn't going to do it.. Memphis better lock down Fuente now.

.

(10-06-2014 01:15 PM)GoTigersGo1904 Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:15 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:08 AM)GoTigersGo1904 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:33 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Radio stated he was on Kansas list.

He's too smart to go to Kansas, it's a black-hole.

Well, he's already had the guts to take a "black hole" job once.

I don't think he would make that move on the account that he's in a much better situation. Money does talk, but it would have to be fairly significant for him to walk to Kansas.

And how is he in a much better situation??

FUENTE TO CINCY!

(10-06-2014 12:50 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

Surely you are joking?

I'm starting to wonder if Michigan or Nebraska will ever be dominate again. Why would a 5 star from the south go up there now? Even Ohio St looks like they could be slipping.

Huh?

I hope you weren't listening to that mouth breather on 56 this morning.

OSU slipping? They have gone something like 28-3 under Meyer.

In OSU's 2013 recruiting class (ranked 2nd nationally) 10 of their 18 4* and 5* recruits were from "warm weather" states (CA, FL, TX, SC and MS).

They get a bulk of their line from Ohio and PA and their skill kids from the South. Their 2014 class was #3 nationally.

Well maybe not Ohio State. But Michigan and Nebraska for sure.

Michigan and Nebraska are apples and oranges. Nebraska has no natural recruiting base. The state of Michigan produces football players.

The state of Ohio produces the 4th most football players (tied with Georgia) behind only Texas, Florida and California. Michigan has always recruited well in Ohio. The current Michigan roster has 24 Ohioans.

Michigan is much more like Oklahoma than like Nebraska.

(10-06-2014 12:13 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  There is something to be said for a school that gives the opportunity to be a first time head coach. There is a reason many coaches stay at their schools for long long periods of time. Money is a factor, but not always the final factor. CJF is not a self promoting, self centered, narcissistic type that we have had experience with in the past (in another sport.)

Keep improving and upgrading the football program, treat him right, pay him well (commensurate with his ability and market) and the U of M will have done all that can be done.

I think he is happy with things so far and he will not consider leaving, but will use any offer from another school to improve his contract. Any coach would do the same. Things are different at the U of M now with a new administration and direction.

"Beat Um, Beat Um, Beat Um!"

(10-06-2014 03:03 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 09:17 PM)juggoman Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  They do. Paying him is not the issue. Whenever it comes to that, the issue will be whether Fuente has the desire to move on to a bigger name program, like Cal eventually did.

No way to read his mind. And it's really way early to speculate. But if we keep him, great. If not, we're in a much better spot than before.

But that's all the energy I'm putting into this subject, for now. At least on here.

If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right.

Actually, if I recall correctly, the committee recommended, and we were set to hire, the assistant from Alabama. But at the last minute, Raines went off the reservation, and called in Fuente for an interview, and overruled the committee, or won them over, or perhaps Fuente did. I may have the details a little muddled, but that's the gist of it.

You're close to what happened but it was a little more to it than that.

I was personally very honored that President Raines asked me to be on the search committee. McElwain was the front runner. When negotiations regarding salary was discussed, there was no problem, but what did surface was the buyout agreement if he were to be released from his contract. His agent was very adamant about a no buy out clause and this didn't sit well with President Raines nor the committee and especially committee Chair, Brad Martin. (Remember at the time we still had 3 full years to pay on Wests' contract at nearly a million a year). Discussions about this subject were discussed and McElwain and his agent were asked to think about this and get back to the committee that evening with an alternative plan. In the meantime, we decided we were going to interview other candidates in case this situation didn't work out (remember, Plan B better be just as good as Plan A).

Next interview was Fuente (at 5pm on a rainy and cold Friday evening in New York) and he blew the socks off the committee with his attitude, exuberance and organizational skills as well as his knowledge about the position and what it entailed. That was it! If McElwain and his agent didn't come back with an alternative plan for a buyout, we had our next choice.

Expecting a call that evening from McElwains' agent.....well it never came and come morning, the committee decided that Fuente would be offered the position. A call did come the next morning from McElwains' agent, but President Raines and the committee felt that they would move forward with Coach Fuente who agreed to a buyout proposition the University could live with and withdrew the offer to McElwain (who, by the way was a great interview and would have also done very well here, in my opinion). The committee under Brad Martin was solely responsible for the hire doing all the due diligence provided by the search firm that was required to hire the right person for the position.

So, if not for a simple buy out provision, Jim McElwain may have been the Head Coach instead of Fuente, but I, for one, am glad things have worked out as they have. I believe that Fuente will be with us for several more years, but if it doesn't work out that way, the program will be light years ahead of what it would have been under previous coaching staffs and we will all be indebted to Justin for helping this program, this University, and most of all the kids that want to play this game of Football for the Tigers.

Many thanks to everyone involved.

If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right, lol.

We're in a rare time in CFB right now.

MOST programs have the right man for their job. It isn't always about money- it's about culture and fit too.

Just in the SEC, I'd say 12 of the 14 have the right guy- the exceptions probably being Muschamp and Derek Mason. In our league, I'm not sold on Tony Levine at Houston, and obviously SMU is looking- but by in large, the right coaches are in place for these programs. The two that immediately come to mind are Coach Fuente here, and Coach Johnson at Tulane.

The money (with the exception of a few BIG programs) isn't all that different. It's why you're seeing coaches not so quick to move up for the chance at an extra 500K- especially with the "win now" mentality...its tough to take the cash as a young-ish coach, get in over your head, get fired and have to basically start over.

Jim McElwain would have been a fine hire here, and is doing well at Colorado State.

I wouldn't worry about losing Coach Fuente to a job like Kansas, frankly, I'm more worried (and I'm not worried at all) about him returning to Texas for the SMU job. They're the one school in our league that would probably get in a bidding war for his services.

My personal thought is that his plan is to stay here, build a winner, wait for Coach Patterson to retire and take the TCU job.

(10-06-2014 03:04 PM)madtiger Wrote:  We're in a rare time in CFB right now.

MOST programs have the right man for their job. It isn't always about money- it's about culture and fit too.

Just in the SEC, I'd say 12 of the 14 have the right guy- the exceptions probably being Muschamp and Derek Mason. In our league, I'm not sold on Tony Levine at Houston, and obviously SMU is looking- but by in large, the right coaches are in place for these programs. The two that immediately come to mind are Coach Fuente here, and Coach Johnson at Tulane.

The money (with the exception of a few BIG programs) isn't all that different. It's why you're seeing coaches not so quick to move up for the chance at an extra 500K- especially with the "win now" mentality...its tough to take the cash as a young-ish coach, get in over your head, get fired and have to basically start over.

Jim McElwain would have been a fine hire here, and is doing well at Colorado State.

I wouldn't worry about losing Coach Fuente to a job like Kansas, frankly, I'm more worried (and I'm not worried at all) about him returning to Texas for the SMU job. They're the one school in our league that would probably get in a bidding war for his services.

My personal thought is that his plan is to stay here, build a winner, wait for Coach Patterson to retire and take the TCU job.

Hopefully, by then we're in the Big 12 with TCU and it will be a moot point.

I really think 3 years of sustained winning and we will jump to the front of the line....ahead of Cincy, USF, and maybe even UCF.

(10-06-2014 03:04 PM)madtiger Wrote:  We're in a rare time in CFB right now.

MOST programs have the right man for their job. It isn't always about money- it's about culture and fit too.

Just in the SEC, I'd say 12 of the 14 have the right guy- the exceptions probably being Muschamp and Derek Mason. In our league, I'm not sold on Tony Levine at Houston, and obviously SMU is looking- but by in large, the right coaches are in place for these programs. The two that immediately come to mind are Coach Fuente here, and Coach Johnson at Tulane.

The money (with the exception of a few BIG programs) isn't all that different. It's why you're seeing coaches not so quick to move up for the chance at an extra 500K- especially with the "win now" mentality...its tough to take the cash as a young-ish coach, get in over your head, get fired and have to basically start over.

Jim McElwain would have been a fine hire here, and is doing well at Colorado State.

I wouldn't worry about losing Coach Fuente to a job like Kansas, frankly, I'm more worried (and I'm not worried at all) about him returning to Texas for the SMU job. They're the one school in our league that would probably get in a bidding war for his services.

My personal thought is that his plan is to stay here, build a winner, wait for Coach Patterson to retire and take the TCU job.

There you have it

We won't get out spent by anybody for him, it will have to be job/location

Fellows I Know money will not be a matter...They Will Pay General Fuente and that will come soon enough....Yes believe he truly does wanna stay here and build it like His MEntor Coach Patterson and them did at TCU.....Coach Patterson turned down some pretty big P5 schools and stayed loyal to TCU even before they got the Big 12 invite....Yes they slipped a little going into the Big 12 but bouncing back just nicely.....Gerenal Fuente wants to build this program and they say this is what I Built, this is my Program, This is the Culture I developed....He took this job because it is in the middle of a Rich SEC recruiting ground, You go to KU and you aren't beating Texas, OU, OSU, TCU, Baylor every year in recruiting wars....Texas schools have Texas, OU has Texas Ties and National Brand, Add in WVU and KU is like Vandy in that league when it comes to FB, and More so than here, They are like UK when it comes to their BB being Top of the line.... And far as Big 12 goes, They will be denied on their request, because the other 4 P5 aren't giving up their CCG and that revenue, and also think its unfair that the BIG 12 doesn't have one, thus once denied adding more pressure on them to have one.....Not now but soon enough they will come calling for at least two more.....They aren't gonna go west from the MWC, nor do they want to deal with BYU who doesn't fit they already tried that road, and didn't like it.....Thus they will come from the American.....Out of us in the American, Cincy adds nothing for them, Tulane has some pushing for them but most feel their top 3 choices if they picked today would be between Memphis, UCF, USF, and maybe ECU....Their top two choices out of them would be Memphis and UCF.....Why because Yes Memphis and Orlando are decent sized cities, have Pro Basketball, and would really get behind their FB programs on Saturday....USF and Cincy are in Pro Football cities and College would be second to them regardless.....And its more that just athletics....Memphis and UCF are building some top notch facilities and doing the right things it takes and will be ready when that times comes.....PLus with TA&M success in the SEC, by taking Memphis puts them in the heart of SEC country and UCF puts them in the Heart and middle of Florida.....Just a few of the facts that go into the thinking process.....Also Memphis and UCF have people like FEDEX and Autozone and others and Orlando has Disney and others as well because their thinking is whats good for the Universitys is good for the City, which is good for their Businesses.....Some more facts to open up some eyes on the subject......The World Is Ours Memphis....Also remember the Libertybowl is Tied to the SEC and Big 12 they will be seeing a lot of Memphis and the improvements and are well aware we are doing the things they wants us to do.....TrUeTh....

(10-06-2014 03:35 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  Fellows I Know money will not be a matter...They Will Pay General Fuente and that will come soon enough....Yes believe he truly does wanna stay here and build it like His MEntor Coach Patterson and them did at TCU.....Coach Patterson turned down some pretty big P5 schools and stayed loyal to TCU even before they got the Big 12 invite....Yes they slipped a little going into the Big 12 but bouncing back just nicely.....Gerenal Fuente wants to build this program and they say this is what I Built, this is my Program, This is the Culture I developed....He took this job because it is in the middle of a Rich SEC recruiting ground, You go to KU and you aren't beating Texas, OU, OSU, TCU, Baylor every year in recruiting wars....Texas schools have Texas, OU has Texas Ties and National Brand, Add in WVU and KU is like Vandy in that league when it comes to FB, and More so than here, They are like UK when it comes to their BB being Top of the line.... And far as Big 12 goes, They will be denied on their request, because the other 4 P5 aren't giving up their CCG and that revenue, and also think its unfair that the BIG 12 doesn't have one, thus once denied adding more pressure on them to have one.....Not now but soon enough they will come calling for at least two more.....They aren't gonna go west from the MWC, nor do they want to deal with BYU who doesn't fit they already tried that road, and didn't like it.....Thus they will come from the American.....Out of us in the American, Cincy adds nothing for them, Tulane has some pushing for them but most feel their top 3 choices if they picked today would be between Memphis, UCF, USF, and maybe ECU....Their top two choices out of them would be Memphis and UCF.....Why because Yes Memphis and Orlando are decent sized cities, have Pro Basketball, and would really get behind their FB programs on Saturday....USF and Cincy are in Pro Football cities and College would be second to them regardless.....And its more that just athletics....Memphis and UCF are building some top notch facilities and doing the right things it takes and will be ready when that times comes.....PLus with TA&M success in the SEC, by taking Memphis puts them in the heart of SEC country and UCF puts them in the Heart and middle of Florida.....Just a few of the facts that go into the thinking process.....Also Memphis and UCF have people like FEDEX and Autozone and others and Orlando has Disney and others as well because their thinking is whats good for the Universitys is good for the City, which is good for their Businesses.....Some more facts to open up some eyes on the subject......The World Is Ours Memphis....Also remember the Libertybowl is Tied to the SEC and Big 12 they will be seeing a lot of Memphis and the improvements and are well aware we are doing the things they wants us to do.....TrUeTh....

End it now

(10-06-2014 02:36 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 03:03 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 09:17 PM)juggoman Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right.

Actually, if I recall correctly, the committee recommended, and we were set to hire, the assistant from Alabama. But at the last minute, Raines went off the reservation, and called in Fuente for an interview, and overruled the committee, or won them over, or perhaps Fuente did. I may have the details a little muddled, but that's the gist of it.

You're close to what happened but it was a little more to it than that.

I was personally very honored that President Raines asked me to be on the search committee. McElwain was the front runner. When negotiations regarding salary was discussed, there was no problem, but what did surface was the buyout agreement if he were to be released from his contract. His agent was very adamant about a no buy out clause and this didn't sit well with President Raines nor the committee and especially committee Chair, Brad Martin. (Remember at the time we still had 3 full years to pay on Wests' contract at nearly a million a year). Discussions about this subject were discussed and McElwain and his agent were asked to think about this and get back to the committee that evening with an alternative plan. In the meantime, we decided we were going to interview other candidates in case this situation didn't work out (remember, Plan B better be just as good as Plan A).

Next interview was Fuente (at 5pm on a rainy and cold Friday evening in New York) and he blew the socks off the committee with his attitude, exuberance and organizational skills as well as his knowledge about the position and what it entailed. That was it! If McElwain and his agent didn't come back with an alternative plan for a buyout, we had our next choice.

Expecting a call that evening from McElwains' agent.....well it never came and come morning, the committee decided that Fuente would be offered the position. A call did come the next morning from McElwains' agent, but President Raines and the committee felt that they would move forward with Coach Fuente who agreed to a buyout proposition the University could live with and withdrew the offer to McElwain (who, by the way was a great interview and would have also done very well here, in my opinion). The committee under Brad Martin was solely responsible for the hire doing all the due diligence provided by the search firm that was required to hire the right person for the position.

So, if not for a simple buy out provision, Jim McElwain may have been the Head Coach instead of Fuente, but I, for one, am glad things have worked out as they have. I believe that Fuente will be with us for several more years, but if it doesn't work out that way, the program will be light years ahead of what it would have been under previous coaching staffs and we will all be indebted to Justin for helping this program, this University, and most of all the kids that want to play this game of Football for the Tigers.

Many thanks to everyone involved.

If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right, lol.

LOL. Yep, in the end, you're right. It just wasn't the conventional route. The part I knew for sure was we were negotiating with McElwain, and then switched to Fuente at the last minute, and Raines and others, maybe Fred and/or Martin, had a hand in it.

(10-06-2014 03:35 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  Fellows I Know money will not be a matter...They Will Pay General Fuente and that will come soon enough....Yes believe he truly does wanna stay here and build it like His MEntor Coach Patterson and them did at TCU.....Coach Patterson turned down some pretty big P5 schools and stayed loyal to TCU even before they got the Big 12 invite....Yes they slipped a little going into the Big 12 but bouncing back just nicely.....Gerenal Fuente wants to build this program and they say this is what I Built, this is my Program, This is the Culture I developed....He took this job because it is in the middle of a Rich SEC recruiting ground, You go to KU and you aren't beating Texas, OU, OSU, TCU, Baylor every year in recruiting wars....Texas schools have Texas, OU has Texas Ties and National Brand, Add in WVU and KU is like Vandy in that league when it comes to FB, and More so than here, They are like UK when it comes to their BB being Top of the line.... And far as Big 12 goes, They will be denied on their request, because the other 4 P5 aren't giving up their CCG and that revenue, and also think its unfair that the BIG 12 doesn't have one, thus once denied adding more pressure on them to have one.....Not now but soon enough they will come calling for at least two more.....They aren't gonna go west from the MWC, nor do they want to deal with BYU who doesn't fit they already tried that road, and didn't like it.....Thus they will come from the American.....Out of us in the American, Cincy adds nothing for them, Tulane has some pushing for them but most feel their top 3 choices if they picked today would be between Memphis, UCF, USF, and maybe ECU....Their top two choices out of them would be Memphis and UCF.....Why because Yes Memphis and Orlando are decent sized cities, have Pro Basketball, and would really get behind their FB programs on Saturday....USF and Cincy are in Pro Football cities and College would be second to them regardless.....And its more that just athletics....Memphis and UCF are building some top notch facilities and doing the right things it takes and will be ready when that times comes.....PLus with TA&M success in the SEC, by taking Memphis puts them in the heart of SEC country and UCF puts them in the Heart and middle of Florida.....Just a few of the facts that go into the thinking process.....Also Memphis and UCF have people like FEDEX and Autozone and others and Orlando has Disney and others as well because their thinking is whats good for the Universitys is good for the City, which is good for their Businesses.....Some more facts to open up some eyes on the subject......The World Is Ours Memphis....Also remember the Libertybowl is Tied to the SEC and Big 12 they will be seeing a lot of Memphis and the improvements and are well aware we are doing the things they wants us to do.....TrUeTh....

I disappear for nearly a year, and I think tigerscane is less understandable than when I left.