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What we learned from Saturday
- The Big 10 isn't what it used to be for sure. Wisconsin falling to NU makes the Big 10 look even worse and it appears they playoff hopes fall squarely on Michigan State.

- The Big12 may have lost its best playoff chance with Oklahoma going down. With the lack of a championship game and weak OOC schedules; its champion will inevitably have to go undefeated. Given its history of beating up on one another, the Big 12 will be left out of the final four.

-The SEC west is for real, and the SEC will most likely put two in the inaugural playoff. Seriously, who would have thought the state of Mississippi wouldn't be more than an afterthought.

-FSU will continue to plow through its schedule and represent in the playoff for the ACC.

-The PAC12 will have one rep but who knows who that will be cause ranked teams keep going down.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
So let's say Notre Dame goes undefeated, beating FSU later this season...

Notre Dame takes one of those four playoff spots.
Given the strength of the SEC...The SEC Champion and a one loss SEC West team take the second and third spots.

That means one more team between the PAC, B1G, Big 12, and ACC gets in and 3 P5 conferences have no representative...

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RE: What we learned from Saturday
Another person that does not watch Ohio State games. The winner of OSU and MSU may end up going up against a 11-1 Nebraska team that just found their heart last night.

I think you are absolutely wrong about the Big 12. Oklahoma only has one loss and it is not a bad loss. It was a very close game against a still undefeated TCU team. They are still going to be perceived very strongly if they win out and TCU dips down to two losses. The Big 12 still has a strong shot so long as the cannibalization doesn't get too painful.

The SEC will get two teams in? You are delusional. The East is a mess and the West is beating itself up. We could very possibly see a two loss team come out of the West to play a 1 loss Georgia team and then win that game. The SEC is not putting two teams with two losses in the Playoff. People may end up getting a healthy dose of reality when it comes to the SEC this year.

I don't see FSU as the favorite against Notre Dame. Their home field advantage isn't all that great and that QB Golson...is the real deal. Who knows where Florida will be at the end of the season but they always play FSU tough, better than they do in SEC season play as of late.

The PAC is in full cannibalization mode right now. They may end up being the conference left out.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  So let's say Notre Dame goes undefeated, beating FSU later this season...

Notre Dame takes one of those four playoff spots.
Given the strength of the SEC...The SEC Champion and a one loss SEC West team take the second and third spots.

That means one more team between the PAC, B1G, Big 12, and ACC gets in and 3 P5 conferences have no representative...

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Wrong. You folks are silly if you think THAT committee is putting in two SEC teams. Silly.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
Maybe the title of the thread should be "What I believe about what we saw Saturday."

With so much football left to be played, nothing is certain.

Big 10 -- Michigan State and Ohio State are still in the conversation for the playoff. Neither can afford another loss however with their overall strength of schedule factored in.

Big 12 -- Baylor, Oklahoma and even TCU and Oklahoma State are still in play, though the easiest route to the playoff would be an unbeaten Baylor

SEC -- Yes, the SEC West is for real and even a two-loss SEC champ might have a shot, but the reality is that with so many games left within the SEC West, the likelihood is that the champion will have at least one loss (unless Auburn can get through the nation's toughest schedule unscathed)

PAC 12 -- Unless Arizona runs the table (unlikely IMO), then the champion will have a loss

ACC -- FSU might win out, but a bad loss along the way would put their spot in doubt

The point is that there is too much football left and surprises to come, so to state anything with a level of certainty is folly. For all we know for sure at this point, we could end up with an Ohio State, Georgia, TCU and Notre Dame playoff. Let's let a couple more weeks pass before we start counting anyone definitively in or out.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
What we learned from Saturday is that its silly to think you can predict who will be in the playoff, even by conference, at this point. Its even conceivable the SEC could be shut out. If you have a 2 loss West champ lose the ccg to a 2 loss Georgia (who can beat anyone in the country and lose to most of the teams as well), they will probably go with 1 loss and unbeaten teams from the rest of the country.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
(10-05-2014 10:43 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Maybe the title of the thread should be "What I believe about what we saw Saturday."

With so much football left to be played, nothing is certain.

Big 10 -- Michigan State and Ohio State are still in the conversation for the playoff. Neither can afford another loss however with their overall strength of schedule factored in.

Big 12 -- Baylor, Oklahoma and even TCU and Oklahoma State are still in play, though the easiest route to the playoff would be an unbeaten Baylor

SEC -- Yes, the SEC West is for real and even a two-loss SEC champ might have a shot, but the reality is that with so many games left within the SEC West, the likelihood is that the champion will have at least one loss (unless Auburn can get through the nation's toughest schedule unscathed)

PAC 12 -- Unless Arizona runs the table (unlikely IMO), then the champion will have a loss

ACC -- FSU might win out, but a bad loss along the way would put their spot in doubt

The point is that there is too much football left and surprises to come, so to state anything with a level of certainty is folly. For all we know for sure at this point, we could end up with an Ohio State, Georgia, TCU and Notre Dame playoff. Let's let a couple more weeks pass before we start counting anyone definitively in or out.

I love this post. A good dose of sanity.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
I remember back in the day when ACC basketball was great losses hardly mattered. UNC could lose to Maryland and hardly drop even if Maryland was average.
The losses prove how strong the conference instead of weakening top teams.
Compare that to every other conference where a conference loss makes the conference weak.

Worst thing that could happen to the SEC is East teams beating West teams. That and losing the in state ACC match ups.
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(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Another person that does not watch Ohio State games. The winner of OSU and MSU may end up going up against a 11-1 Nebraska team that just found their heart last night.

I think you are absolutely wrong about the Big 12. Oklahoma only has one loss and it is not a bad loss. It was a very close game against a still undefeated TCU team. They are still going to be perceived very strongly if they win out and TCU dips down to two losses. The Big 12 still has a strong shot so long as the cannibalization doesn't get too painful.

The SEC will get two teams in? You are delusional. The East is a mess and the West is beating itself up. We could very possibly see a two loss team come out of the West to play a 1 loss Georgia team and then win that game. The SEC is not putting two teams with two losses in the Playoff. People may end up getting a healthy dose of reality when it comes to the SEC this year.

I don't see FSU as the favorite against Notre Dame. Their home field advantage isn't all that great and that QB Golson...is the real deal. Who knows where Florida will be at the end of the season but they always play FSU tough, better than they do in SEC season play as of late.

The PAC is in full cannibalization mode right now. They may end up being the conference left out.

FTR I do and have watched the Ohio State games and I'm not missing anything. They lost to a so so VT team at home badly. The Big 10 is just bad when it comes to the P5 or did you not remember a couple of weeks ago when the Big 10 was setting records for the wrong reasons.

And yes I'm delusional that the SEC will get two teams into the playoff, just like the BCS would never have two SEC teams competing for the national title, oh wait that actually happened.
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(10-05-2014 10:50 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Another person that does not watch Ohio State games. The winner of OSU and MSU may end up going up against a 11-1 Nebraska team that just found their heart last night.

I think you are absolutely wrong about the Big 12. Oklahoma only has one loss and it is not a bad loss. It was a very close game against a still undefeated TCU team. They are still going to be perceived very strongly if they win out and TCU dips down to two losses. The Big 12 still has a strong shot so long as the cannibalization doesn't get too painful.

The SEC will get two teams in? You are delusional. The East is a mess and the West is beating itself up. We could very possibly see a two loss team come out of the West to play a 1 loss Georgia team and then win that game. The SEC is not putting two teams with two losses in the Playoff. People may end up getting a healthy dose of reality when it comes to the SEC this year.

I don't see FSU as the favorite against Notre Dame. Their home field advantage isn't all that great and that QB Golson...is the real deal. Who knows where Florida will be at the end of the season but they always play FSU tough, better than they do in SEC season play as of late.

The PAC is in full cannibalization mode right now. They may end up being the conference left out.

FTR I do and have watched the Ohio State games and I'm not missing anything. They lost to a so so VT team at home badly. The Big 10 is just bad when it comes to the P5 or did you not remember a couple of weeks ago when the Big 10 was setting records for the wrong reasons.

And yes I'm delusional that the SEC will get two teams into the playoff, just like the BCS would never have two SEC teams competing for the national title, oh wait that actually happened.

Yeah and that BCS Championship game was a bust and drew massive National criticism for it happening at all.

Ohio State's early season loss to VT will only remain a major talking point for folks like you that are looking for anything negative to focus on. It was an early season loss and they look much improved since then. They have a young quarterback. So yeah, you don't know what you are talking about if you think that early season loss will knock them out.

You are blind. Especially if you think the SEC is getting two teams in this year.
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(10-05-2014 10:50 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  FTR I do and have watched the Ohio State games and I'm not missing anything. They lost to a so so VT team at home badly. The Big 10 is just bad when it comes to the P5 or did you not remember a couple of weeks ago when the Big 10 was setting records for the wrong reasons.

Teams lose games. That was a very good Texas A&M team that Mississippi State manhandled yesterday. Oregon didn't stop being a good team because Arizona beat them. Michigan State is still a very good team, even though Oregon took them to the woodshed in the second half. Alabama is still one of the best in the country IMHO, even though they were a refs non-call from losing by 13. Oklahoma might still end up national champions. If Auburn whips Mississippi State next Saturday, that doesn't mean that MSU isn't good anymore. Good teams sometimes lose games.

And while I don't think the Big 10 is as strong as some other conferences top to bottom, they have several very good teams and could still show well during bowl season depending on the matchups. We will see.
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(10-05-2014 10:59 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:50 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  FTR I do and have watched the Ohio State games and I'm not missing anything. They lost to a so so VT team at home badly. The Big 10 is just bad when it comes to the P5 or did you not remember a couple of weeks ago when the Big 10 was setting records for the wrong reasons.

Teams lose games. That was a very good Texas A&M team that Mississippi State manhandled yesterday. Oregon didn't stop being a good team because Arizona beat them. Michigan State is still a very good team, even though Oregon took them to the woodshed in the second half. Alabama is still one of the best in the country IMHO, even though they were a refs non-call from losing by 13. Oklahoma might still end up national champions. If Auburn whips Mississippi State next Saturday, that doesn't mean that MSU isn't good anymore. Good teams sometimes lose games.

And while I don't think the Big 10 is as strong as some other conferences top to bottom, they have several very good teams and could still show well during bowl season depending on the matchups. We will see.

I agree very much with your post except the Oklahoma part. I think the Big 12 has the least room for error bc of their weak ooc and lack cg. I think MSU is a very viable candidate BC I don't think they should be penalized for scheduling oregon ooc on the road. After watching all of their games, it's plain to see they're a very good team. I think the sec west is the toughest division of the toughest conference, in the same spirit that I wouldn't penalize MSU; I wouldn't hold a two loss sec west team out.
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RE: What we learned from Saturday
What I took away from Saturday:

...FSU v ND will be a playoff game, loser out regardless of whatever else happens
...J T Barrett is showing enough that Ohio State will have to be considered if they win out. Committee won't ignore that the loss to VaTech occurred in Barrett's first game as an injury replacement
...if the SEC gets a second team, it will likely have two losses. I don't see that as happening. The SEC is going to be guilty of fratracide.
...Sparty has trouble closing the deal. I suspect that they are so wound up at the beginning of the game, they suffer from emotional fatigue in 4th qtrs. Still, win out and they may still get in because the Oregon loss won't weigh as heavily
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(10-05-2014 11:11 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  What I took away from Saturday:

...FSU v ND will be a playoff game, loser out regardless of whatever else happens
...J T Barrett is showing enough that Ohio State will have to be considered if they win out. Committee won't ignore that the loss to VaTech occurred in Barrett's first game as an injury replacement
...if the SEC gets a second team, it will likely have two losses. I don't see that as happening. The SEC is going to be guilty of fratracide.
...Sparty has trouble closing the deal. I suspect that they are so wound up at the beginning of the game, they suffer from emotional fatigue in 4th qtrs. Still, win out and they may still get in because the Oregon loss won't weigh as heavily

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Ohio State has played 1 pretty good team this year and lost pretty badly. They play only 1 game this year against a team that will be ranked, even if they were to win it they'd have no business in the playoff.
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(10-05-2014 10:25 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  -FSU will continue to plow through its schedule and represent in the playoff for the ACC.

If FSU was an SEC team, they'd lose at least twice this year, but the ACC is the perfect platform for them to make the playoffs, just as it was for them in the 1990s.

Notre Dame is the only possible bump in the road, and they won't be all that much of a bump.
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(10-05-2014 10:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  So let's say Notre Dame goes undefeated, beating FSU later this season...

Notre Dame takes one of those four playoff spots.
Given the strength of the SEC...The SEC Champion and a one loss SEC West team take the second and third spots.

That means one more team between the PAC, B1G, Big 12, and ACC gets in and 3 P5 conferences have no representative...

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Wrong. You folks are silly if you think THAT committee is putting in two SEC teams. Silly.

Regardless of whether there's one, two, or no SEC teams in the playoff...

If Notre Dame goes undefeated then 2 P5 conferences will have ZERO representation.

And boy, will that be juicy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What I learned Saturday...Miami now has a longer winning streak now than Alabama, A&M, OU, Oregon, and USC!

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(10-05-2014 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  What we learned from Saturday is that its silly to think you can predict who will be in the playoff, even by conference, at this point. Its even conceivable the SEC could be shut out. If you have a 2 loss West champ lose the ccg to a 2 loss Georgia (who can beat anyone in the country and lose to most of the teams as well), they will probably go with 1 loss and unbeaten teams from the rest of the country.
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(10-05-2014 11:31 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  So let's say Notre Dame goes undefeated, beating FSU later this season...

Notre Dame takes one of those four playoff spots.
Given the strength of the SEC...The SEC Champion and a one loss SEC West team take the second and third spots.

That means one more team between the PAC, B1G, Big 12, and ACC gets in and 3 P5 conferences have no representative...

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Wrong. You folks are silly if you think THAT committee is putting in two SEC teams. Silly.

Regardless of whether there's one, two, or no SEC teams in the playoff...

If Notre Dame goes undefeated then 2 P5 conferences will have ZERO representation.

And boy, will that be juicy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Now this is true and yes, it will lead to an expansion of the Playoff sooner rather than later.
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