They've got my vote!

(10-05-2014 12:43 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Yeah, Marshall played better competition and more thoroughly dominated it than did ECU.

The real question now is which poll or index will properly reward, on a week by week and game by game basis, the performance of schools in question and which will massage and cajole to get the results they want.

Marshall should clearly narrow the gap this week.

Marshall played better competition? Please explain.

(10-05-2014 04:10 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:43 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Yeah, Marshall played better competition and more thoroughly dominated it than did ECU.

The real question now is which poll or index will properly reward, on a week by week and game by game basis, the performance of schools in question and which will massage and cajole to get the results they want.

Marshall should clearly narrow the gap this week.

Marshall played better competition? Please explain.

ODU > SMU. 'Bout as clear as it gets. SMU stinks.

(10-05-2014 04:11 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:10 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:43 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Yeah, Marshall played better competition and more thoroughly dominated it than did ECU.

The real question now is which poll or index will properly reward, on a week by week and game by game basis, the performance of schools in question and which will massage and cajole to get the results they want.

Marshall should clearly narrow the gap this week.

Marshall played better competition? Please explain.

ODU > SMU. 'Bout as clear as it gets. SMU stinks.

Ok. That game. I misread the last post.

(10-05-2014 12:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:52 PM)WEARE Wrote:  I have read the comments from the committee members. Each has said they will watch the games of the teams in consideration to determine their poll results. I may be kidding myself, but I am using their verbiage.

I think they will, for the teams in playoff contention. In their mind (and honestly in reality as well) this G5 access bowl was just a bone they tossed the have nots to get them to agree to the changes quietly. I really doubt they care all that much who is actually better or who "deserves" it more.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that Easy U. and their co-horts are not elite? Wow, to hear Bondsjohn say that is a miracle in itself. Good job, Bondsjohn.

(10-05-2014 12:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:41 PM)HHHERD Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:25 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:10 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 11:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  Watched both games and Marshall was far and away the more impressive team than ECU.

What you don't understand is that the AAC fans don't believe that anyone will actually watch the games. The coaches poll and AP poll are probably much more biased in this regard. While I am certain some of the voters are watching a few games, it is almost certain they are not watching every team before each vote. This has also been discussed about the selection committee. They will be watching all the games before voting.

It will be interesting to see the impact it has. ECU certainly has the SOS argument, and Marshall has some very strong performances on their resume.

You are kidding yourself if you think the committee will be watching every game that ECU and Marshall play. They don't have the time nor are they likely to actually care all that much. That might play to the advantage of Marshall or ECU depending on if they value SOS more or just decide to give it to the team with the best record no matter what.

I agree on both parts. I think it comes down to this (assuming both teams win out). Is ECU wins over UNC and V-Tech more impressive than the way Marshall wins?

As to who is in the better conference? I think they will feel its equal and all indicators on the field tend to prove that.

I don't think they will view any G5 conference as markedly better than any other, because for the most part the entire committee is filled with P5 cronies. So if both ECU and Marshall were to go undefeated in league play I don't think they committee will care or view either as a better accomplishment than the other. My guess is the only wins that the P5 biased committee will actually value all that much are wins over P5 schools, but that's only an assumption and who knows I could be dead wrong.

As much as I wish I could say you're WRONG; I'm afraid you're absolutely RIGHT! Committee is STACKED such that P-5 is really all that matters and THE BEST OF THE G-5 is going to be a tiny afterthought. Based on ECU's performance to date, they ought to be ranked about 12-15 and MARSHALL deserves to be somewhere between 18-23! Whichever of these two wins out will be the ACCESS BOWL PARTICIPANT BY DEFAULT! As much as I want it to be a CUSA TEAM and think CATO is a phenomenal QB; I think MARSHALL HAS A HARDER ROAD to get there.

(10-05-2014 04:43 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  As much as I wish I could say you're WRONG; I'm afraid you're absolutely RIGHT! Committee is STACKED such that P-5 is really all that matters and THE BEST OF THE G-5 is going to be a tiny afterthought. Based on ECU's performance to date, they ought to be ranked about 12-15 and MARSHALL deserves to be somewhere between 18-23! Whichever of these two wins out will be the ACCESS BOWL PARTICIPANT BY DEFAULT! As much as I want it to be a CUSA TEAM and think CATO is a phenomenal QB; I think MARSHALL HAS A HARDER ROAD to get there.

ECU's big advantage over Marshall right now is who they've played and the fact that all 3 of the big name games were extremely visible. If we swapped Marshall and ECU's schedules it wouldn't surprise me to see similar results with ECU pretty much handling Marshall's schedule and Marshall making noise with ECU's. The problem is I'm sure very few people have even seen Marshall play this year. I haven't and I usually seek out Marshall and other C-USA games so I know the casual voter and fan probably hasn't. If people had seen this Marshall team play they'd be ranked right now. Even if the competition hasn't been amazing beating teams you are supposed to beat badly isn't as easy as it sounds sometimes.

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned and I'm not saying that it makes a big difference but if ECU wins out they will be 11-1, if Marshall wins out they will be 13-0. That extra game could us some. Let's just hope ECU drops one and we don't have to worry about it.

(10-05-2014 06:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:43 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  As much as I wish I could say you're WRONG; I'm afraid you're absolutely RIGHT! Committee is STACKED such that P-5 is really all that matters and THE BEST OF THE G-5 is going to be a tiny afterthought. Based on ECU's performance to date, they ought to be ranked about 12-15 and MARSHALL deserves to be somewhere between 18-23! Whichever of these two wins out will be the ACCESS BOWL PARTICIPANT BY DEFAULT! As much as I want it to be a CUSA TEAM and think CATO is a phenomenal QB; I think MARSHALL HAS A HARDER ROAD to get there.

ECU's big advantage over Marshall right now is who they've played and the fact that all 3 of the big name games were extremely visible. If we swapped Marshall and ECU's schedules it wouldn't surprise me to see similar results with ECU pretty much handling Marshall's schedule and Marshall making noise with ECU's. The problem is I'm sure very few people have even seen Marshall play this year. I haven't and I usually seek out Marshall and other C-USA games so I know the casual voter and fan probably hasn't. If people had seen this Marshall team play they'd be ranked right now. Even if the competition hasn't been amazing beating teams you are supposed to beat badly isn't as easy as it sounds sometimes.

Well of our 5 games one was on CBS Sports, one on FSN, two on ESPN3, and our game vs a FCS on ASN (never saw our game vs a FCS opponent on tv before). Of course I would much rather be on ESPN for the visibility but at the same time I don't want to play weekday games unless it's the marquee matchup on Fox Sports 1 on Thursdays.

(10-05-2014 04:11 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:10 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:43 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Yeah, Marshall played better competition and more thoroughly dominated it than did ECU.

The real question now is which poll or index will properly reward, on a week by week and game by game basis, the performance of schools in question and which will massage and cajole to get the results they want.

Marshall should clearly narrow the gap this week.

Marshall played better competition? Please explain.

ODU > SMU. 'Bout as clear as it gets. SMU stinks.

I think SMU will surprise some people going forward. Not sure why and how things were so bad for them at the start of the season but the team I saw on the field yesterday has some talent. I know people are going to laugh this off as an excuse but lets see what happens over the next several weeks. If I am wrong I will come back here and own it. That new QB that got his first start against TCU looked good throwing the ball Saturday…Time will tell.

(10-05-2014 06:33 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 06:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:43 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  As much as I wish I could say you're WRONG; I'm afraid you're absolutely RIGHT! Committee is STACKED such that P-5 is really all that matters and THE BEST OF THE G-5 is going to be a tiny afterthought. Based on ECU's performance to date, they ought to be ranked about 12-15 and MARSHALL deserves to be somewhere between 18-23! Whichever of these two wins out will be the ACCESS BOWL PARTICIPANT BY DEFAULT! As much as I want it to be a CUSA TEAM and think CATO is a phenomenal QB; I think MARSHALL HAS A HARDER ROAD to get there.

ECU's big advantage over Marshall right now is who they've played and the fact that all 3 of the big name games were extremely visible. If we swapped Marshall and ECU's schedules it wouldn't surprise me to see similar results with ECU pretty much handling Marshall's schedule and Marshall making noise with ECU's. The problem is I'm sure very few people have even seen Marshall play this year. I haven't and I usually seek out Marshall and other C-USA games so I know the casual voter and fan probably hasn't. If people had seen this Marshall team play they'd be ranked right now. Even if the competition hasn't been amazing beating teams you are supposed to beat badly isn't as easy as it sounds sometimes.

Well of our 5 games one was on CBS Sports, one on FSN, two on ESPN3, and our game vs a FCS on ASN (never saw our game vs a FCS opponent on tv before). Of course I would much rather be on ESPN for the visibility but at the same time I don't want to play weekday games unless it's the marquee matchup on Fox Sports 1 on Thursdays.

No difference in a Thursday or tuesday night game. Except ESPN would be seen by more people.

Marshall played better competition? Please explain.
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ODU, across the board, was a stronger rated program than SMU. ECU played the Mustangs at home, Marshall was on the road. Given the rankings being fair going into these games, Marshall should have gained some significant ground, if not passed ECU, with this weekend's performances.

(10-06-2014 07:59 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 04:10 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

Marshall played better competition? Please explain.

ODU, across the board, was a stronger rated program than SMU. ECU played the Mustangs at home, Marshall was on the road. Given the rankings being fair going into these games, Marshall should have gained some significant ground, if not passed ECU, with this weekend's performances.
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First of all Marshall shouldn't have jumped 10 spots based off one game. Secondly he clearly stated that he thought you were referring to the whole season which is what the rankings are based off of.

(10-05-2014 06:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The problem is I'm sure very few people have even seen Marshall play this year. I haven't and I usually seek out Marshall and other C-USA games so I know the casual voter and fan probably hasn't.

That last sentence is completely an opinion because you have no idea what the casual voter (which there is no such thing if you're referring to the Amway Coaches or AP Poll) or fan is watching. And lets be honest, even the voters aren't watching every game of teams that are ranked. Most of the time they are watching highlights of a game.

If a game is on TV, voters will find it regardless of what station is broadcasting. If you're a football junkie, you will find a game on TV. Furthermore, ASN/Sinclair stations are easier to find than ESPN or Fox because the stations are local. I've seen Georgetown play and I wasn't looking for the game. I've seen ACC games on the same local channels ASN games are on.

Point is, if voters want to see Marshall play, they will know where to find the games. That is what TV guides are for. Coaches aren't watching the games because they are busy coaching their own teams.

(10-06-2014 07:59 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 06:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The problem is I'm sure very few people have even seen Marshall play this year. I haven't and I usually seek out Marshall and other C-USA games so I know the casual voter and fan probably hasn't.

That last sentence is completely an opinion because you have no idea what the casual voter (which there is no such thing if you're referring to the Amway Coaches or AP Poll) or fan is watching. And lets be honest, even the voters aren't watching every game of teams that are ranked. Most of the time they are watching highlights of a game.

If a game is on TV, voters will find it regardless of what station is broadcasting. If you're a football junkie, you will find a game on TV. Furthermore, ASN/Sinclair stations are easier to find than ESPN or Fox because the stations are local. I've seen Georgetown play and I wasn't looking for the game. I've seen ACC games on the same local channels ASN games are on.

Point is, if voters want to see Marshall play, they will know where to find the games. That is what TV guides are for. Coaches aren't watching the games because they are busy coaching their own teams.

Most coaches don't vote in the polls either.

(10-06-2014 08:26 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 07:59 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 06:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The problem is I'm sure very few people have even seen Marshall play this year. I haven't and I usually seek out Marshall and other C-USA games so I know the casual voter and fan probably hasn't.

That last sentence is completely an opinion because you have no idea what the casual voter (which there is no such thing if you're referring to the Amway Coaches or AP Poll) or fan is watching. And lets be honest, even the voters aren't watching every game of teams that are ranked. Most of the time they are watching highlights of a game.

If a game is on TV, voters will find it regardless of what station is broadcasting. If you're a football junkie, you will find a game on TV. Furthermore, ASN/Sinclair stations are easier to find than ESPN or Fox because the stations are local. I've seen Georgetown play and I wasn't looking for the game. I've seen ACC games on the same local channels ASN games are on.

Point is, if voters want to see Marshall play, they will know where to find the games. That is what TV guides are for. Coaches aren't watching the games because they are busy coaching their own teams.

Most coaches don't vote in the polls either.

Which is why I don't even put any credence in the Coaches Poll.

Marshall did jump up significantly. If you look at the Massey Composite ranking, which averages all the rankings out there (an astonishing 88 of them) Marshall sits at 21 while ECU is at 37. Last week they were right next to each other. I'm not saying the rankings are right or wrong, just that they moved a lot last week.

(10-06-2014 07:37 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  First of all Marshall shouldn't have jumped 10 spots based off one game. Secondly he clearly stated that he thought you were referring to the whole season which is what the rankings are based off of.

Third of all, the previous games leading to last Saturday's had already been taken into consideration leaving Saturday's results as the only two variables to move the bar. So given Saturday's performance, Marshall should have narrowed the margin between the two schools, which many metrics showed they did.

So yes, I was referring to the whole season; each game builds upon the last for a full season aggregation.

IMO, they should be strong candidates for ranking consideration, but The "Gods on Mount Corso" don't acknowledge teams from Conference USA, hell they barely give the AAC any respect, were it not for East Carolina and the "lights out" football they've played this season. I can't see them being ignored the entire year if they finish the season unbeaten, but, given today's college football culture of exclusion and elitism, it wouldn't surprise me all that much if they were disavowed by the media "tools" of the "Cartel."

(10-07-2014 08:06 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 07:37 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  First of all Marshall shouldn't have jumped 10 spots based off one game. Secondly he clearly stated that he thought you were referring to the whole season which is what the rankings are based off of.

Third of all, the previous games leading to last Saturday's had already been taken into consideration leaving Saturday's results as the only two variables to move the bar. So given Saturday's performance, Marshall should have narrowed the margin between the two schools, which many metrics showed they did.

So yes, I was referring to the whole season; each game builds upon the last for a full season aggregation.

So one game allows you to move a team up 10+ spots?