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RE: B10 Major Bump for Maryland Attendance (Rest of P5 Numbers)
(10-02-2014 10:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 02:39 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 11:16 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 09:19 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 07:55 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Shhhh, don't say that!

Yeah, Maryland jumped this year. It plummeted last year. Where it's at now to two years ago? Three years ago? It's not that significant.

That isn't to downplay the positives, though. It's hard to push tickets and get excited when the other teams don't show up themselves. Looking at some of the gates they've had from certain historic low performers...like BC. UMD will easily get more butts in the seats for schools like Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Northwestern...and those guys are hundreds of miles away, rather than a shot down 95. Those games will enhance the overall experience there, and maybe students will start caring again, as well as alums and other fans.

But a big +1 to the poster who mentioned the extortion of ticket prices and parking. The overall product and experience has not improved.

Those schools will rarely be coming to Byrd Stadium though. The B1G is now big enough where you aren't going to play teams in the other side of the conference very often.

I think there are some concerns within the conference among certain members where they want to play the original members as often as possible. The conference ripped OSU and Michigan right off the western half's schedule, and I question how long it really lasts. I don't think it's a bad thing, personally, if the conference constantly shuffles itself into divisions, as long as certain cores stay close to each other. That isn't pod-speak, either, but just keeping certain rivalries together as much as possible.

Until the shift happens though, Maryland will be seeing Indiana quite a bit. By the looks of how that PSU-IU game in Landover went some years back, UMD should be fine. Apparently, there are a lot of IU alums in the Beltway.

There are a lot of alums from pretty much every B1G school in the DC area. The population exploded in the region from 1970 to now. People literally came from all over the country for the government jobs, govt. contracting jobs and auxillary jobs that come with being in a populous area. I bet you can find at least 5k alums that currently resided in the DMV from every school in the B1G with the exception of Northwestern.

Maryland isn't by any means DC's college like Ohio St is for Columbus or Wisconsin is for Madison.

UMD is close to DC but its in Maryland and is viewed as a Maryland school so people in Virginia and DC don't feel compelled to support it at all. The Maryland Suburbs of DC are not very community based. The East suburbs are suburban wastelands known for their crime and the West suburubs are ultra wealthy. UMD is in the East suburbs at the beginning of the transitional zone to the more affluent area. College Park is not any kind of social hub and nobody from DC goes up there to party or for any reason unless they are taking classes.

NFL has a two franchises in Maryland, the Redskins in the East Maryland Suburbs about 10 miles from College Park and the Ravens 25 miles from College Park in downtown Baltimore. Baltimore only has NFL and MLB and is very loyal and proud about its pro teams. Maryland alums do seem to be pretty loyal to support their school but instead of catching the team at the stadium they watch at the sports bars. They are lazy like pro fans when it comes to having to be at the stadium.

Virginia suburbs of DC are consistently upper middle class East to West with a couple highly affluent pockets sprinkled around business centers. Virginia is a public university state where there is little interest in the private schools with so many good publics. Alumni of VT, UVA and JMU caravan from the DMV hours back to college for home football games. Virginia has no professional sports aside from NASCAR in the southern part of the state.

Then in DC proper the main colleges are Georgetown and George Washington. The interest is not athletics with those schools its in academics. The talk all over town is about their law schools, MBA or international relations programs. You get a sense that either they've been in one of those professional programs at those schools, the are currently in one of those professional programs or they would like to be in one of them. Its not a A list minds going into those programs but more a bunch of over achievers looking for status.

We talked about it here before the cultural difference between New Jersey, NYC and Connecticut while are part of the same metro. The same applies for Virginia, DC and Maryland. They are close together, even adjacent but completely different mindsets.

Kittonhead is right. I live in Fairfax, Va and work in DC, and I can go weeks without seeing a Maryland bumper sticker or hat. If I had to pick the dominant college team for Northern Virginia it would be Virginia Tech. That's who the people around here (NoVa) who don't have any kind of college affiliation or ties root for. And there are lots of alums, too. That's for football only.

For basketball, I'd disagree with kittonhead -- Georgetown and Maryland both claim DC's t-shirt college basketball fans, depending on who is doing better. UVA may break in if they continue their recent success, and may take Maryland's slot with Maryland downgrading to the Big Ten. I don't think GWU or American or GMU are factors outside their alumni bases.
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RE: B10 Major Bump for Maryland Attendance (Rest of P5 Numbers)
(10-02-2014 10:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 02:39 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 11:16 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 09:19 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 07:55 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Shhhh, don't say that!

Yeah, Maryland jumped this year. It plummeted last year. Where it's at now to two years ago? Three years ago? It's not that significant.

That isn't to downplay the positives, though. It's hard to push tickets and get excited when the other teams don't show up themselves. Looking at some of the gates they've had from certain historic low performers...like BC. UMD will easily get more butts in the seats for schools like Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Northwestern...and those guys are hundreds of miles away, rather than a shot down 95. Those games will enhance the overall experience there, and maybe students will start caring again, as well as alums and other fans.

But a big +1 to the poster who mentioned the extortion of ticket prices and parking. The overall product and experience has not improved.

Those schools will rarely be coming to Byrd Stadium though. The B1G is now big enough where you aren't going to play teams in the other side of the conference very often.

I think there are some concerns within the conference among certain members where they want to play the original members as often as possible. The conference ripped OSU and Michigan right off the western half's schedule, and I question how long it really lasts. I don't think it's a bad thing, personally, if the conference constantly shuffles itself into divisions, as long as certain cores stay close to each other. That isn't pod-speak, either, but just keeping certain rivalries together as much as possible.

Until the shift happens though, Maryland will be seeing Indiana quite a bit. By the looks of how that PSU-IU game in Landover went some years back, UMD should be fine. Apparently, there are a lot of IU alums in the Beltway.

There are a lot of alums from pretty much every B1G school in the DC area. The population exploded in the region from 1970 to now. People literally came from all over the country for the government jobs, govt. contracting jobs and auxillary jobs that come with being in a populous area. I bet you can find at least 5k alums that currently resided in the DMV from every school in the B1G with the exception of Northwestern.

Maryland isn't by any means DC's college like Ohio St is for Columbus or Wisconsin is for Madison.

UMD is close to DC but its in Maryland and is viewed as a Maryland school so people in Virginia and DC don't feel compelled to support it at all. The Maryland Suburbs of DC are not very community based. The East suburbs are suburban wastelands known for their crime and the West suburubs are ultra wealthy. UMD is in the East suburbs at the beginning of the transitional zone to the more affluent area. College Park is not any kind of social hub and nobody from DC goes up there to party or for any reason unless they are taking classes.

NFL has a two franchises in Maryland, the Redskins in the East Maryland Suburbs about 10 miles from College Park and the Ravens 25 miles from College Park in downtown Baltimore. Baltimore only has NFL and MLB and is very loyal and proud about its pro teams. Maryland alums do seem to be pretty loyal to support their school but instead of catching the team at the stadium they watch at the sports bars. They are lazy like pro fans when it comes to having to be at the stadium.

Virginia suburbs of DC are consistently upper middle class East to West with a couple highly affluent pockets sprinkled around business centers. Virginia is a public university state where there is little interest in the private schools with so many good publics. Alumni of VT, UVA and JMU caravan from the DMV hours back to college for home football games. Virginia has no professional sports aside from NASCAR in the southern part of the state.

Then in DC proper the main colleges are Georgetown and George Washington. The interest is not athletics with those schools its in academics. The talk all over town is about their law schools, MBA or international relations programs. You get a sense that either they've been in one of those professional programs at those schools, the are currently in one of those professional programs or they would like to be in one of them. Its not a A list minds going into those programs but more a bunch of over achievers looking for status.

We talked about it here before the cultural difference between New Jersey, NYC and Connecticut while are part of the same metro. The same applies for Virginia, DC and Maryland. They are close together, even adjacent but completely different mindsets.

I grew up in NOVA, a pretty good summary of what I observed as well.

DC is also not a sports town in the slightest. Even when the pro teams do well, there is no unified buzz or excitement from the community.
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RE: B10 Major Bump for Maryland Attendance (Rest of P5 Numbers)
(10-02-2014 07:07 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 04:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 12:43 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Maryland's two home games played so far were against teams with a large concentration of DC alumni (JMU, WVU). Those two games last year in Byrd at this time were against FIU and ODU.
The misleading and funny part of the OP's thread title is that Maryland's 46,000 actually drags down the Big 10's average attendance numbers. It is only a boost for Maryland whose attendance figures will damage the Big 10's average, and significantly damage them at that.
I'm still trying to figure out how B1G membership benefits Maryland's attendance against JMU and WVU.
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RE: B10 Major Bump for Maryland Attendance (Rest of P5 Numbers)
Interesting that UMD played West Virginia at home this year and last year. This year's attendance 48,154. Last year's attendance - 55,677. That is a huge drop

The reason for the major bump in attendance is that last year's FIU game only had 36,321 and ODU game had 38,377 while this year's JMU game (only other home in the first 5 weeks) had 45,080.
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(10-03-2014 08:26 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Interesting that UMD played West Virginia at home this year and last year. This year's attendance 48,154. Last year's attendance - 55,677. That is a huge drop

The reason for the major bump in attendance is that last year's FIU game only had 36,321 and ODU game had 38,377 while this year's JMU game (only other home in the first 5 weeks) had 45,080.

Last year they played WVU at M&T Bank in Baltimore.
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(10-03-2014 08:26 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Interesting that UMD played West Virginia at home this year and last year. This year's attendance 48,154. Last year's attendance - 55,677. That is a huge drop

The reason for the major bump in attendance is that last year's FIU game only had 36,321 and ODU game had 38,377 while this year's JMU game (only other home in the first 5 weeks) had 45,080.
The WVU game this season was played in a steady rain. A lot of folks decided the TV was the better option. I can't really blame them.
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RE: B10 Major Bump for Maryland Attendance (Rest of P5 Numbers)
(10-02-2014 02:32 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 01:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 04:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 12:43 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Maryland's two home games played so far were against teams with a large concentration of DC alumni (JMU, WVU). Those two games last year in Byrd at this time were against FIU and ODU.
The misleading and funny part of the OP's thread title is that Maryland's 46,000 actually drags down the Big 10's average attendance numbers. It is only a boost for Maryland whose attendance figures will damage the Big 10's average, and significantly damage them at that.
I'm still trying to figure out how B1G membership benefits Maryland's attendance against JMU and WVU.
Any school's attendance benefits from having WVU on the schedule. Mountaineer fans travel very well. Besides, Maryland is a nice drive from Morgantown and WVU has a large alumni base in the area.

JMU isn't that far away either. But I have no idea how their fans travel. Attendance, however, is averaged and cumulative.

Very well, considering we're an FCS team. Also, most our grads live between Richmond and DC, so usually we get a good chunk to games that are local. We brought around 15k or so to that JMU vs. WVU game at Fed Ex Field two years ago. I was at both this years JMU at UMD as well as the 2009 one and I'd say we probably brought about 7-8k to both.

Maryland playing local(ish) schools with a lot of alums in the DC area absolutely affects attendance. If UMD does a home game against VT again, you better believe they'll bring the house.

UMD got a phenomenal home schedule for them this year, so I assume attendance will be high all season. Not every season will be like that though.

MD's home game vs. VT was scheduled to be at the Raven's stadium.
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RE: B10 Major Bump for Maryland Attendance (Rest of P5 Numbers)
Considering Virginia, VaTech, and Maryland bordering DC, VaTech had the most T-Shirts. I agree on that point.

Considering states that do not border DC, WVA and Penn State dominate the T-Shirt scene.
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(10-03-2014 01:37 AM)opossum Wrote:  For basketball, I'd disagree with kittonhead -- Georgetown and Maryland both claim DC's t-shirt college basketball fans, depending on who is doing better. UVA may break in if they continue their recent success, and may take Maryland's slot with Maryland downgrading to the Big Ten. I don't think GWU or American or GMU are factors outside their alumni bases.

GWU basketball is barely a factor inside our alumni base.
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