Yes I know it's early but I was just wondering what are the division tiebreakers if it was a three way tie in the east...

MUTS
Marshall
Western

all have 1 conference loss to each other

MUTS beat Western, Marshall beats MUTS, Western beats Marshall

Don't really expect to see it go down like that but looking at the schedules and where each school is at today and based off that

MUTS should be the favorite in all remaining games except Marshall

Marshall would be the favorite across the board

Western having the toughest schedule out of the three since we don't get FIU or S. Miss. Plus road games vs Tech and FAU. Conference sure didn't do Western any favors.

But it's a possibility Western could be going into Marshall on Black Friday with a 3 way tie hanging on the outcome. Based on today I don't see a game on our schedule that would be less than even odds....

yes I do know Western is yet to win ONE conference game :)

Can't see you guys going unscathed through UTSA, FAU and La Tech.

(09-30-2014 11:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Can't see you guys going unscathed through UTSA, FAU and La Tech.

I can see it but then again I can see us losing on Saturday and I could see us going into Marshall without a loss...before we loss 2 :)

None of us are head and shoulders better than teams on our schedule. But I think it's a possibility.

Is there a tiebreaker in place for a 3 way tie? I assume with the mess last year with Rice and Marshall all tiebreakers were worked out.

(10-01-2014 12:06 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 11:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Can't see you guys going unscathed through UTSA, FAU and La Tech.

I can see it but then again I can see us losing on Saturday and I could see us going into Marshall without a loss...before we loss 2 :)

None of us are head and shoulders better than teams on our schedule. But I think it's a possibility.

Is there a tiebreaker in place for a 3 way tie? I assume with the mess last year with Rice and Marshall all tiebreakers were worked out.

That was only to decide homefield for the championship game, I'm sure the division tiebreakers are pretty straightforward.

I do remember one year that the SEC east(was a UGA fan till I went to MT) had a three way tie, had to go to the final tiebreaker IIRC.

1. Highest regular season winning percentage based on overall Conference USA play.
2. If tied, head to head between tied teams.
3. If still tied, highest winning percentage within division.
4. If still tied, compare records against divisional opponents in descending order of finish.
5. If still tied, compare records with common cross-divisional opponents.
6. If still tied, compare records against cross-divisional opponents in descending order of finish.
7. If still tied, team with highest cfp ranking.
8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.
9. If at any point the tie is broken in a multiple team tie, the remaining teams will begin the process again at #2.

(10-01-2014 01:01 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  1. Highest regular season winning percentage based on overall Conference USA play.
2. If tied, head to head between tied teams.
3. If still tied, highest winning percentage within division.
4. If still tied, compare records against divisional opponents in descending order of finish.
5. If still tied, compare records with common cross-divisional opponents.
6. If still tied, compare records against cross-divisional opponents in descending order of finish.
7. If still tied, team with highest cfp ranking.
8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.
9. If at any point the tie is broken in a multiple team tie, the remaining teams will begin the process again at #2.

So in the event Marshall/MT/WKU all go 1-1 against each other with no other conference losses, the CFP ranking decides who goes to the title game.

(09-30-2014 11:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Based on today I don't see a game on our schedule that would be less than even odds....

Based on today, there is no way it's a push @MU.. We will be favored. AS OF TODAY

(10-01-2014 08:45 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 11:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Based on today I don't see a game on our schedule that would be less than even odds....

Based on today, there is no way it's a push @MU.. We will be favored. AS OF TODAY

I thought that was a given with me saying Marshall would be clear favorites on the remaining of their schedule....

I'm talking about the games before game 12

My apologies, Sir... I missed that...

8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

It would never get that far.

And to answer the question above, if its a three way, the criteria is used to get it down to head to head, then its an easy break.

4, 5 and 6 break the 3 ways. Then if not the other ranking would and put it to 2 then a head to head breaks it in division.

(10-02-2014 12:51 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

It would never get that far.

It got all the way to a convoluted formula last year.

That's why Texas Tech went to the Cotton Bowl in 1994 instead of Rice - 5-way tie for SWC champ, but Tech had never been, whereas we had in the 1950s.

(10-02-2014 01:09 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 12:51 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

It would never get that far.

It got all the way to a convoluted formula last year.

That was a different situation.

(10-02-2014 01:09 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 12:51 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

It would never get that far.

It got all the way to a convoluted formula last year.

The formula for determining the BCS ranking was straight forward - CUSA (via Jerry Palm) "convoluted" the formula.

(10-02-2014 01:09 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 12:51 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

It would never get that far.

It got all the way to a convoluted formula last year.

That was for determining the home field of the champion. There is only 3 criteria for that. 1. Best cusa winning pct
2. Head to head
3. Highest bcs ranking*


*that we choose to use a different made up formula after the fact for some reason so its in that crazy atmosphere at rice.

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

9. In the event a Texas school is involved, everyone else is screwed.

(10-02-2014 08:43 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 11:15 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8. If still tied, the representative will be the team that has not participated in the championship game most recently.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. A coin flip would be more fair.

9. In the event a Texas school is involved, everyone else is screwed.

Pretty much