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I'll ask again...how many of the 124 institutions that play FBS football take partial qualifiers in the manner that Marshall does? I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm unaware of this practice anywhere else. Can someone enlighten me?

Let me add something. Marshall and every other school has more leeway to take a chance here or there.

ODU is in no position to play around with APR. An APR hit would cripple the program and that is the reason why we do not take any risks in recruiting. I've been told it is easier to get a local 757 recruit in to UVA than ODU.

Ten years down the road we will probably be able to take a gamble here or there. Let's not forget Jusse Yorke was a huge gamble that did not pay off.


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(10-03-2014 09:15 AM)odusteeler Wrote:  I'll ask again...how many of the 124 institutions that play FBS football take partial qualifiers in the manner that Marshall does? I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm unaware of this practice anywhere else. Can someone enlighten me?

Let me reiterate, Marshall is not doing anything illegal. If you are aware of a violation, please report it. I would be supportive of exposing academic dishonesty--regardless of the football team's performance. Assuming Marshall is operating legally and without academic dishonesty, the whole argument is invalid. No, this is not a straw man fallacy. If you are claiming an unfair advantage in recruiting, you must prove it is inherently unfair.

Not to be negative, but the NCAA makes the rules. Your argument is with them. Marshall should not succumb to the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. Essentially your reasoning is: "But Mom, everyone else is doing it. You should make my friend do it too." Marshall should be operating with the mindset of doing what is good for Marshall and the community it serves. As long as we all play by the same rules, how a school operates within that structure is their choice.

(10-03-2014 10:57 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 09:15 AM)odusteeler Wrote:  I'll ask again...how many of the 124 institutions that play FBS football take partial qualifiers in the manner that Marshall does? I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm unaware of this practice anywhere else. Can someone enlighten me?

Let me reiterate, Marshall is not doing anything illegal. If you are aware of a violation, please report it. I would be supportive of exposing academic dishonesty--regardless of the football team's performance. Assuming Marshall is operating legally and without academic dishonesty, the whole argument is invalid. No, this is not a straw man fallacy. If you are claiming an unfair advantage in recruiting, you must prove it is inherently unfair.

Not to be negative, but the NCAA makes the rules. Your argument is with them. Marshall should not succumb to the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. Essentially your reasoning is: "But Mom, everyone else is doing it. You should make my friend do it too." Marshall should be operating with the mindset of doing what is good for Marshall and the community it serves. As long as we all play by the same rules, how a school operates within that structure is their choice.

So is Marshall the only one?

(10-03-2014 12:33 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 10:57 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 09:15 AM)odusteeler Wrote:  I'll ask again...how many of the 124 institutions that play FBS football take partial qualifiers in the manner that Marshall does? I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm unaware of this practice anywhere else. Can someone enlighten me?

Let me reiterate, Marshall is not doing anything illegal. If you are aware of a violation, please report it. I would be supportive of exposing academic dishonesty--regardless of the football team's performance. Assuming Marshall is operating legally and without academic dishonesty, the whole argument is invalid. No, this is not a straw man fallacy. If you are claiming an unfair advantage in recruiting, you must prove it is inherently unfair.

Not to be negative, but the NCAA makes the rules. Your argument is with them. Marshall should not succumb to the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. Essentially your reasoning is: "But Mom, everyone else is doing it. You should make my friend do it too." Marshall should be operating with the mindset of doing what is good for Marshall and the community it serves. As long as we all play by the same rules, how a school operates within that structure is their choice.

So is Marshall the only one?

No, the rule is set by the conference and then the individual schools can decide. Here is a link talking about it. Scroll to the bottom and it shows what conferences and CUSA schools individually accept.

http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../11673535/

(10-03-2014 01:53 PM)NCDad Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 12:33 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 10:57 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 09:15 AM)odusteeler Wrote:  I'll ask again...how many of the 124 institutions that play FBS football take partial qualifiers in the manner that Marshall does? I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm unaware of this practice anywhere else. Can someone enlighten me?

Let me reiterate, Marshall is not doing anything illegal. If you are aware of a violation, please report it. I would be supportive of exposing academic dishonesty--regardless of the football team's performance. Assuming Marshall is operating legally and without academic dishonesty, the whole argument is invalid. No, this is not a straw man fallacy. If you are claiming an unfair advantage in recruiting, you must prove it is inherently unfair.

Not to be negative, but the NCAA makes the rules. Your argument is with them. Marshall should not succumb to the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. Essentially your reasoning is: "But Mom, everyone else is doing it. You should make my friend do it too." Marshall should be operating with the mindset of doing what is good for Marshall and the community it serves. As long as we all play by the same rules, how a school operates within that structure is their choice.

So is Marshall the only one?

No, the rule is set by the conference and then the individual schools can decide. Here is a link talking about it. Scroll to the bottom and it shows what conferences and CUSA schools individually accept.

http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../11673535/

Thanks for the link! That helps explain it a little better.

The bottom line is Marshall does accept them and ODU does not. CUSA allows it as an institutional decision. The CAA did not allow it. We could, but don't. Our choice. I'm fine with it for the reasons outlined by ODUR8R, as well as, I THINK it increases the chances for at least accusations of academic underhandness later on (see UNC). If we can, but don't and Marshall does, we shouldn't beat them up about it. From what has gone on in here the past week, I can find many more reasons. I will be so glad when this week is over and we don't have to hear any more from them until next year, because you know they aren't going to be showing up in here for basketball!

+1 Lucky

(10-03-2014 03:31 PM)LuckyLion Wrote:  The bottom line is Marshall does accept them and ODU does not. CUSA allows it as an institutional decision. The CAA did not allow it. We could, but don't. Our choice. I'm fine with it for the reasons outlined by ODUR8R, as well as, I THINK it increases the chances for at least accusations of academic underhandness later on (see UNC). If we can, but don't and Marshall does, we shouldn't beat them up about it. From what has gone on in here the past week, I can find many more reasons. I will be so glad when this week is over and we don't have to hear any more from them until next year, because you know they aren't going to be showing up in here for basketball!

I'm coming here during basketball season just because of this haha

Technically, no school allows partial qualifiers since 2005. UNC, as a member of the ACC, may admit one football "partial qualifier" per year. They may not participate in athletics, and they cannot be on scholarship until qualified. The ACC has a limited partial qualifier status. They will only allow four per year, one per sport, two males, and two females. It is very likely most of the students in the UNC scandal were fully qualified either via JUCO or SAT/GPA. There is no correlation between partial qualifiers and academic misconduct presented in the UNC example.