(09-30-2014 03:10 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)klake87 Wrote:  D'Ron Brown is one of our biggest weapons. I feel that Carey thinks Hare can get the ball to him better than Maddie. Maddie is a better runner but to utilize Brown fully, Hare is the QB

Hare has missed a wide open Brown on several occasions. He did make the perfect pass to Brown in NU game for a td. I don't think you need a cannon to get him the ball.

I said that's what I think Carey thinks and I never said Hare was perfect just better than Maddie at delivering the ball to Brown and other wide outs(but not tight ends, we do not throw to them)

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

(09-30-2014 03:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

We are 3-1 and a loss to an SEC team

(09-30-2014 03:49 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

We are 3-1 and a loss to an SEC team

Who a week later took a team in the top 8 into overtime.

(09-30-2014 03:52 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:49 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

We are 3-1 and a loss to an SEC team

Who a week later took a team in the top 8 into overtime.

Yes, definitely don't disagree with his coaching style. I just don't think he's switching players because "he's trying to be ready just in case Hare gets hurt and Maddie has to play."

"The game will dictate how many QBs play."

This could simply mean that if NIU is up 28 going into the 4th Hare sits, Maddie comes in and if the lead is maintained, Graham comes in for the last 5 minutes and in a tight game Hare plays throughout.

(09-30-2014 04:02 PM)BobL Wrote:  "The game will dictate how many QBs play."

This could simply mean that if NIU is up 28 going into the 4th Hare sits, Maddie comes in and if the lead is maintained, Graham comes in for the last 5 minutes and in a tight game Hare plays throughout.

That's exactly what he meant, although I seriously doubt he'd burn a redshirt on a QB for something like that, especially since Mac is supposed to be back before the end of the season.

There's 2 positions you almost never burn a redshirt on, QB and O-Line, and the only times that happens is if the guy is insanely good, or you have a massive amount of injuries. Last O-Lineman who played as a true freshman was Jason O and I can't remember the last time a QB played as a true freshman.

Burning Graham's RS is actually not a bad idea...if a game is well in hand and we don't want to risk Hare or Maddie getting hurt...AND McIntosh is still out.

Its almost a certainty that Graham wont be playing as QB next year so let him get on the field this year as long as he is capable with handing it off.

(09-30-2014 03:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

He's handled it great. Nothing wrong with playing multiple QB's.

(09-30-2014 03:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:10 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)klake87 Wrote:  D'Ron Brown is one of our biggest weapons. I feel that Carey thinks Hare can get the ball to him better than Maddie. Maddie is a better runner but to utilize Brown fully, Hare is the QB

Hare has missed a wide open Brown on several occasions. He did make the perfect pass to Brown in NU game for a td. I don't think you need a cannon to get him the ball.

You do need to throw in the pocket though for the deep ball threat for Brown, and that is what Maddie cannot do imo.

I like Hare and think he is a pretty good qb. I just don't think you can say Maddie can't do certain things based off 1 series a game. If you can throw off the rollout, you can throw from the pocket. He just might not be as good a pocket passer as Hare, but you can't determine that from his play, in games, this year.

(09-30-2014 05:10 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

He's handled it great. Nothing wrong with playing multiple QB's.

I disagree, it has not put NIU in the best position to win.

(09-30-2014 07:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 05:10 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:35 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.

I think Carey is going to end up to be a good coach for NIU, but I have to admit, he panicked with this QB thing. Doesn't mean he is a bad coach, he just handled this situation poorly.

He's handled it great. Nothing wrong with playing multiple QB's.

I disagree, it has not put NIU in the best position to win.

They're 3-1, I honestly don't think you have much argument on that. It didn't really impact any of the games. In fact it helped them win one of those games.

It didn't hurt in presbyterian or unlv, it also was pretty damn efficient vs NW. Maddies drive was excellent and Hare played very well in relief.

I see your point, but your argument doesn't have a factual basis to back it off of.

Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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People act like Maddie came in and orchestrated "The Drive", granted Turner dropped a well thrown ball, but NIU would not have put up 23 points with Maddie in the game. He is a good change of pace QB in a blowout or to give a play like the Lynch/Harnish situation, but the guy just cannot throw the football. The problem with that game is why wasn't Hare 2nd behind McIntosh

(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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That's probably as good of a point as any, but at the same time it's not like Hare has been bad. It's a weird situation for sure. It's not a bad situation per say, but it's a weird one.

(09-30-2014 08:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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People act like Maddie came in and orchestrated "The Drive", granted Turner dropped a well thrown ball, but NIU would not have put up 23 points with Maddie in the game. He is a good change of pace QB in a blowout or to give a play like the Lynch/Harnish situation, but the guy just cannot throw the football. The problem with that game is why wasn't Hare 2nd behind McIntosh

NIU had 53 yards in the game up until that drive. Maddie had 56 yards by himself on that drive. The only thing that changed was him.

Hell, he had 56 yards on the drive, Hare had 139 in the entire half he played.

(09-30-2014 08:25 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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That's probably as good of a point as any, but at the same time it's not like Hare has been bad. It's a weird situation for sure. It's not a bad situation per say, but it's a weird one.

Way way way too much has been sacrificed because of this "problem". It didn't have to be a problem, but the coaching staff made it a problem.

(09-30-2014 08:27 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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People act like Maddie came in and orchestrated "The Drive", granted Turner dropped a well thrown ball, but NIU would not have put up 23 points with Maddie in the game. He is a good change of pace QB in a blowout or to give a play like the Lynch/Harnish situation, but the guy just cannot throw the football. The problem with that game is why wasn't Hare 2nd behind McIntosh

NIU had 53 yards in the game up until that drive. Maddie had 56 yards by himself on that drive. The only thing that changed was him.

Hell, he had 56 yards on the drive, Hare had 139 in the entire half he played.

My goodness, that might be the most talked about non-scoring drive in the history of NIU football.

To be honest , Im not sure if either of the QBs is the answer in the long term, but Hare is the best NIU has right now , so roll with him.

(09-30-2014 08:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:25 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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That's probably as good of a point as any, but at the same time it's not like Hare has been bad. It's a weird situation for sure. It's not a bad situation per say, but it's a weird one.

Way way way too much has been sacrificed because of this "problem". It didn't have to be a problem, but the coaching staff made it a problem.

You do realize the original starting QB got hurt, right? So what happens if McIntosh got all the reps with the 1s in fall ball, Hare was with the 2s, and Maddie was getting very few reps at all?

If anything it ended up being a good thing.

(09-30-2014 08:31 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:25 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 08:13 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Ok. I agree with MD and 7. Yes I think the Qb situation has been handled as poorly as I would have feared this summer. And this is why I do not take Carey off the hook. Ok. Mac plays hurt in the NW game. I'll buy that. He needed to come out. I agree with that. So Maddie goes in and looks great! I buy that. I was pumped watching him turn that game around. So WHY WHY WHY does Hare come in???? That's where, in my mind, the circus began (or was highlighted). I still do not see THAT move as anything but mishandled.


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That's probably as good of a point as any, but at the same time it's not like Hare has been bad. It's a weird situation for sure. It's not a bad situation per say, but it's a weird one.

Way way way too much has been sacrificed because of this "problem". It didn't have to be a problem, but the coaching staff made it a problem.

You do realize the original starting QB got hurt, right? So what happens if McIntosh got all the reps with the 1s in fall ball, Hare was with the 2s, and Maddie was getting very few reps at all?

If anything it ended up being a good thing.

Ok you might be right about that, but now the competition extends into conference season? To be honest, its embarrassing. Coaches are paid to evaluate talent.