I was 15 feet from Beebe when he got crushed on that punt return. Can't believe he held onto the ball, let alone got up. He's one tough SOB. Hope he's good to go.

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 01:57 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 01:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Don't you wonder how far along Hare would have been if Hare was chosen as starter in mid August? Why is summer practice extending into the conference season?

The same?

Yes Hare and Maddie have some of the same things they do well, but you just cannot call the same game with those two. Maddie cannot be kept in the pocket, he absolutely does not adjust off his primary read in the pocket and his footwork is just hyper and horrible. NIU has no identity on offense right now, and the QB uncertainty is a big part of that imo. If Maddie had Vick type athleticism, you could get away with a QB who cant throw. Maddie is fast I realize, but not the freakish good enough athlete to make up for not being able to throw.

You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 01:57 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 01:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 01:42 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  STFU - thats over the top stupid.

Don't you wonder how far along Hare would have been if Hare was chosen as starter in mid August? Why is summer practice extending into the conference season?

The same?

Yes Hare and Maddie have some of the same things they do well, but you just cannot call the same game with those two. Maddie cannot be kept in the pocket, he absolutely does not adjust off his primary read in the pocket and his footwork is just hyper and horrible. NIU has no identity on offense right now, and the QB uncertainty is a big part of that imo. If Maddie had Vick type athleticism, you could get away with a QB who cant throw. Maddie is fast I realize, but not the freakish good enough athlete to make up for not being able to throw.

You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Deep breaths!!!! Remember you are debating with MD02

(09-30-2014 02:08 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 01:57 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  The same?

Yes Hare and Maddie have some of the same things they do well, but you just cannot call the same game with those two. Maddie cannot be kept in the pocket, he absolutely does not adjust off his primary read in the pocket and his footwork is just hyper and horrible. NIU has no identity on offense right now, and the QB uncertainty is a big part of that imo. If Maddie had Vick type athleticism, you could get away with a QB who cant throw. Maddie is fast I realize, but not the freakish good enough athlete to make up for not being able to throw.

You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

Have to disagree big time, Maddie is not in the same league as Hare as a passer. Maddie is an option QB who is very limited in the passing game. If Maddie becomes our QB due to an injury to Hare, we are in trouble.

(09-30-2014 02:21 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:08 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Yes Hare and Maddie have some of the same things they do well, but you just cannot call the same game with those two. Maddie cannot be kept in the pocket, he absolutely does not adjust off his primary read in the pocket and his footwork is just hyper and horrible. NIU has no identity on offense right now, and the QB uncertainty is a big part of that imo. If Maddie had Vick type athleticism, you could get away with a QB who cant throw. Maddie is fast I realize, but not the freakish good enough athlete to make up for not being able to throw.

You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

Have to disagree big time, Maddie is not in the same league as Hare as a passer. Maddie is an option QB who is very limited in the passing game. If Maddie becomes our QB due to an injury to Hare, we are in trouble.

Are you basing this solely on what you've seen in practice or high school? There hasn't really been enough evidence in actual gametime to support a conclusion such as this yet, in my opinion.

(09-30-2014 02:21 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:08 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Yes Hare and Maddie have some of the same things they do well, but you just cannot call the same game with those two. Maddie cannot be kept in the pocket, he absolutely does not adjust off his primary read in the pocket and his footwork is just hyper and horrible. NIU has no identity on offense right now, and the QB uncertainty is a big part of that imo. If Maddie had Vick type athleticism, you could get away with a QB who cant throw. Maddie is fast I realize, but not the freakish good enough athlete to make up for not being able to throw.

You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

Have to disagree big time, Maddie is not in the same league as Hare as a passer. Maddie is an option QB who is very limited in the passing game. If Maddie becomes our QB due to an injury to Hare, we are in trouble.

In terms of arm talent? Sure, Hare is a step above Maddie. In terms of what actually has been happening on the field? I'm not sure. Hare has been surprisingly inaccurate. It's not an offense that asks you to make pro style throws or reads. I would like to remind you our last QB was an option QB who was very limited in the passing game and that seemed to work out okay. I would say Hare is a step above Lynch in arm talent too.

I just can't get that drive against Northwestern out of my head. That's our offense. It's funny MD talks about NIU not having an idenity, when on that drive they had a clear idenity. That was NIU offense. Especially now heading into MAC play. Spread them out, make them respect the QB run, get your athletes in space. Repeat.

(09-30-2014 02:21 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:08 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Yes Hare and Maddie have some of the same things they do well, but you just cannot call the same game with those two. Maddie cannot be kept in the pocket, he absolutely does not adjust off his primary read in the pocket and his footwork is just hyper and horrible. NIU has no identity on offense right now, and the QB uncertainty is a big part of that imo. If Maddie had Vick type athleticism, you could get away with a QB who cant throw. Maddie is fast I realize, but not the freakish good enough athlete to make up for not being able to throw.

You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

Have to disagree big time, Maddie is not in the same league as Hare as a passer. Maddie is an option QB who is very limited in the passing game. If Maddie becomes our QB due to an injury to Hare, we are in trouble.

What are you basing this from? I have only seen him in the few drives he has been given a chance to play. Didn't see Presbyterian game. He looked very good, passing on the move against Northwestern in the only drive he was in. Against UNLV, same as NU, he looked good in the only drive he was in. They got field goals on both his drives in those games. Arkansas, his drive was 2nd drive in the 2nd half. They and he didn't look good on his drive. They also didn't look good in most of that game. OLINE was beaten bad. Anyway, I agree with 7. Give him more chances.

I'll agree with MD in the sense of either give Maddie a legit chance to play and run the offense as it's designed, or just name Hare the starter. I don't think there really is any sort of good that comes out of doing what they've done the last two games.

(09-30-2014 02:32 PM)7 Wrote:  I'll agree with MD in the sense of either give Maddie a legit chance to play and run the offense as it's designed, or just name Hare the starter. I don't think there really is any sort of good that comes out of doing what they've done the last two games.

I definitely agree, neither of the QBs is being given a chance to succeed right now.

(09-30-2014 02:27 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:21 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:08 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  You mean Hare?

YOU'VE SEEN MADDIE THROW 10 PASSES. TEN.

Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

Have to disagree big time, Maddie is not in the same league as Hare as a passer. Maddie is an option QB who is very limited in the passing game. If Maddie becomes our QB due to an injury to Hare, we are in trouble.

In terms of arm talent? Sure, Hare is a step above Maddie. In terms of what actually has been happening on the field? I'm not sure. Hare has been surprisingly inaccurate. It's not an offense that asks you to make pro style throws or reads. I would like to remind you our last QB was an option QB who was very limited in the passing game and that seemed to work out okay. I would say Hare is a step above Lynch in arm talent too.

I just can't get that drive against Northwestern out of my head. That's our offense. It's funny MD talks about NIU not having an idenity, when on that drive they had a clear idenity. That was NIU offense. Especially now heading into MAC play. Spread them out, make them respect the QB run, get your athletes in space. Repeat.

+1.

Note: I also remember 7 saying after about the 2nd or 3rd game of Lynch's junior year that Lynch was better than Harnish. I thought he was bonkers!

(09-30-2014 02:35 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:27 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:21 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:08 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Because he never gets to the point where he is comfortable throwing the ball and takes off running. That's part of the problem.

Are you serious right now? The only game he's actually gotten a chance to throw is the Northwestern game. Now, has he not gotten a chance to throw in the last two games because the coaches don't think he can throw? That's an argument I'd be willing to listen to.

I still stand by the fact I don't think Hare has done anything this year that Maddie can't do and there are things Maddie can do that Hare can't. I really hope they give Maddie a legit chance to play soon.

Have to disagree big time, Maddie is not in the same league as Hare as a passer. Maddie is an option QB who is very limited in the passing game. If Maddie becomes our QB due to an injury to Hare, we are in trouble.

In terms of arm talent? Sure, Hare is a step above Maddie. In terms of what actually has been happening on the field? I'm not sure. Hare has been surprisingly inaccurate. It's not an offense that asks you to make pro style throws or reads. I would like to remind you our last QB was an option QB who was very limited in the passing game and that seemed to work out okay. I would say Hare is a step above Lynch in arm talent too.

I just can't get that drive against Northwestern out of my head. That's our offense. It's funny MD talks about NIU not having an idenity, when on that drive they had a clear idenity. That was NIU offense. Especially now heading into MAC play. Spread them out, make them respect the QB run, get your athletes in space. Repeat.

+1.

Note: I also remember 7 saying after about the 2nd or 3rd game of Lynch's junior year that Lynch was better than Harnish. I thought he was bonkers!

Well, keep in mind 7 also at one point said, after watching Spring practice, in 2010 I believe, that Lynch didn't look like a QB at all and that it may be better off having him change positions.

This is why you can't make bold pronouncements based solely on practice or high school game tape. How they play under the spotlight of an actual game will determine how good of a player they are.

Yeah I wasn't convinced Lynch didn't suck until the Army hahaha.

(09-30-2014 02:44 PM)7 Wrote:  Yeah I wasn't convinced Lynch didn't suck until the Army hahaha.

I honestly think this is why Carey keeps wanting to throw Maddie out there, he thinks Lynch is going to pop out of Maddie's body one afternoon, it isn't happening. Coach Carey Lynch is gone, move forward!

(09-30-2014 02:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:44 PM)7 Wrote:  Yeah I wasn't convinced Lynch didn't suck until the Army hahaha.

I honestly think this is why Carey keeps wanting to throw Maddie out there, he thinks Lynch is going to pop out of Maddie's body one afternoon, it isn't happening. Coach Carey Lynch is gone, move forward!

I don't think it's crazy at all for him to want a more mobile QB in this system, and I think that's what's happening.

D'Ron Brown is one of our biggest weapons. I feel that Carey thinks Hare can get the ball to him better than Maddie. Maddie is a better runner but to utilize Brown fully, Hare is the QB

(09-30-2014 02:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:44 PM)7 Wrote:  Yeah I wasn't convinced Lynch didn't suck until the Army hahaha.

I honestly think this is why Carey keeps wanting to throw Maddie out there, he thinks Lynch is going to pop out of Maddie's body one afternoon, it isn't happening. Coach Carey Lynch is gone, move forward!

I don't think it's crazy at all for him to want a more mobile QB in this system, and I think that's what's happening.

You are probably right but the time has long passed to sort this out. Ugh, very frustrating.

(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)klake87 Wrote:  D'Ron Brown is one of our biggest weapons. I feel that Carey thinks Hare can get the ball to him better than Maddie. Maddie is a better runner but to utilize Brown fully, Hare is the QB

Hare has missed a wide open Brown on several occasions. He did make the perfect pass to Brown in NU game for a td. I don't think you need a cannon to get him the ball.

(09-30-2014 03:10 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)klake87 Wrote:  D'Ron Brown is one of our biggest weapons. I feel that Carey thinks Hare can get the ball to him better than Maddie. Maddie is a better runner but to utilize Brown fully, Hare is the QB

Hare has missed a wide open Brown on several occasions. He did make the perfect pass to Brown in NU game for a td. I don't think you need a cannon to get him the ball.

You do need to throw in the pocket though for the deep ball threat for Brown, and that is what Maddie cannot do imo.

My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  My guess is that since McIntosh is not available they're trying to get Maddie some reps in case Hare gets hurt and he has to play. When McIntosh comes back they may play Hare the whole game since McIntosh is a veteran and ready to step in at any time.

Don't think it's a great idea to have a backup QB come in in the middle of the game unless you're dominating. If you're trying to get a backup ready, then you use Practice for that. I think either - Carey is still not sure who the starter is OR, he's trying to set up a system similar to the Harnish/Lynch combo that we saw in 2011.