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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 02:50 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:15 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
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(09-30-2014 01:51 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Have always looked at it like expressing your view of something instead of having to debate though. If someone comes back with an opposing view that doesn't really justify a reply, why the need to give them credence.

but heated debate is the lifeblood of every forum.
Most debates will not change minds. May score some points they may have not thought of though. Just seems having to come back if the subject isn't that great to check to see if you need to defend your position is kind of lame. Not to mention being a warning possibility.

I've walked away a few times from Spin Room discussions. Certain topics are just a mistake to bring up because people will argue them to death. Many Spin Room arguments just go back and forth with constant 'getting the last word in' kind of spats, it comes to a point where it's just a waste of everyone's time and the topic has probably been derailed.
Exactly. Pretty much come in, state your points and get out. If your opinion is that valid it will stand for itself most of the time. No use in back and forth banter just to get the adrenalin pumped up, and never to the point of name calling or personal attacks.

Sounds structured in theory, but boring in real life. If people cannot debate, they will quickly lose interest.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:50 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:15 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 01:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  but heated debate is the lifeblood of every forum.
Most debates will not change minds. May score some points they may have not thought of though. Just seems having to come back if the subject isn't that great to check to see if you need to defend your position is kind of lame. Not to mention being a warning possibility.

I've walked away a few times from Spin Room discussions. Certain topics are just a mistake to bring up because people will argue them to death. Many Spin Room arguments just go back and forth with constant 'getting the last word in' kind of spats, it comes to a point where it's just a waste of everyone's time and the topic has probably been derailed.
Exactly. Pretty much come in, state your points and get out. If your opinion is that valid it will stand for itself most of the time. No use in back and forth banter just to get the adrenalin pumped up, and never to the point of name calling or personal attacks.

Sounds structured in theory, but boring in real life. If people cannot debate, they will quickly lose interest.

Or people might lose interest when a topic turns to bickering of "you're wrong", "no, I'm right, you're wrong", "as you can see from http://www.selectivelysourcednews.com you're wrong", "Obama sux so you're wrong".

It's not debate it's derailing. I come to the Spin Room for interesting opinions from a variety of people, most of whom have college degrees, some have advanced degrees and advanced life experience, that aids a discussion. I don't come for the constant anti-gay/-religion/-Obama/-Socialists/-Islam/-Fox/-MSNBC/-conservative bashing that has taken over.

I used to work for my local county council cutting grass and I used the weed whacker a lot. Occasionally I'd come up on a dog turd in a plastic bag in the grass and I'd get covered in ****. It happens. The Spin Room is turning into weed whacking in a cow shed. **** everywhere.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:50 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:15 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 01:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  but heated debate is the lifeblood of every forum.
Most debates will not change minds. May score some points they may have not thought of though. Just seems having to come back if the subject isn't that great to check to see if you need to defend your position is kind of lame. Not to mention being a warning possibility.

I've walked away a few times from Spin Room discussions. Certain topics are just a mistake to bring up because people will argue them to death. Many Spin Room arguments just go back and forth with constant 'getting the last word in' kind of spats, it comes to a point where it's just a waste of everyone's time and the topic has probably been derailed.
Exactly. Pretty much come in, state your points and get out. If your opinion is that valid it will stand for itself most of the time. No use in back and forth banter just to get the adrenalin pumped up, and never to the point of name calling or personal attacks.

Sounds structured in theory, but boring in real life. If people cannot debate, they will quickly lose interest.
Doesn't limit debate in any way. Everyone free to do back and forth, just not required.
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What kind of person takes the time perform the most plebeian act of bending
over and pickup a dog pile in a plastic bag… then drop it back on the ground?

On second thought, that image alone might describe this Spin Room.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 03:31 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:58 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:50 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:15 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 02:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Most debates will not change minds. May score some points they may have not thought of though. Just seems having to come back if the subject isn't that great to check to see if you need to defend your position is kind of lame. Not to mention being a warning possibility.

I've walked away a few times from Spin Room discussions. Certain topics are just a mistake to bring up because people will argue them to death. Many Spin Room arguments just go back and forth with constant 'getting the last word in' kind of spats, it comes to a point where it's just a waste of everyone's time and the topic has probably been derailed.
Exactly. Pretty much come in, state your points and get out. If your opinion is that valid it will stand for itself most of the time. No use in back and forth banter just to get the adrenalin pumped up, and never to the point of name calling or personal attacks.

Sounds structured in theory, but boring in real life. If people cannot debate, they will quickly lose interest.
Doesn't limit debate in any way. Everyone free to do back and forth, just not required.

I am going to say one other thing and I know this is a touchy subject for some. I honestly mean no offense:

But I find it ironic that a board with a majority of the mods being libertarian wanting so much added moderation and limits on speech.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
So just so I understand.

Are we not allowed to talk about these issues or are we just not supposed to attack people regarding these issues?
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I went away for a couple of days and returned to a board with "modding". How did we lose free speech here?
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(09-30-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So just so I understand.

Are we not allowed to talk about these issues or are we just not supposed to attack people regarding these issues?

Just like on any sports board, talk the issues, debate the issues, just don't attack folk nor should you (or anyone) bait someone into attacking you... Treat others how you want to be treated.
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(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  I went away for a couple of days and returned to a board with "modding". How did we lose free speech here?

So do you lose free speech on any other board on this network that is moderated? And how exactly is callin someone an "f*cking idiot" for havin a different opinion than yours "free speech"? This is simply a way to debate issues without them derailing into urinating contests.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 04:02 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  I went away for a couple of days and returned to a board with "modding". How did we lose free speech here?

So do you lose free speech on any other board on this network that is moderated? And how exactly is callin someone an "f*cking idiot" for havin a different opinion than yours "free speech"? This is simply a way to debate issues without them derailing into urinating contests.

Wow....aren't you nice. I almost never use bad language and never called anyone a "f*cking idiot"...so I don't know why you are saying that.

That said, people need to have thicker skin. There is absolutely no need for "modding" or "rules". If people have a problem, they should try to work it out first instead of just crying about decorum. While a lot of people on here can be rough at times, I think most of them would stand down if sent a PM describing a grievance.

To me, modding is just a way of injecting someone else's pc values on other people.
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(09-30-2014 03:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  But I find it ironic that a board with a majority of the mods being libertarian wanting so much added moderation and limits on speech.

This is a cute comment (and I mean that seriously) but pouring gas on a fire may be your right, but that right isn't without its limits, even to a libertarian.

Frankly, I'm NOT a libertarian... but it's by far the closest to my actual set of beliefs. Like many others, I'm a traditional, old school, small government Republican... Unfortunately few 'Republicans' these days believe in small government. I'd argue that few 'Democrats' believe in tolerance either. by 'd' or 'r' I mean the parties/elected officials.
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(09-30-2014 04:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  But I find it ironic that a board with a majority of the mods being libertarian wanting so much added moderation and limits on speech.

This is a cute comment (and I mean that seriously) but pouring gas on a fire may be your right, but that right isn't without its limits, even to a libertarian.

Frankly, I'm NOT a libertarian... but it's by far the closest to my actual set of beliefs. Like many others, I'm a traditional, old school, small government Republican... Unfortunately few 'Republicans' these days believe in small government. I'd argue that few 'Democrats' believe in tolerance either. by 'd' or 'r' I mean the parties/elected officials.

I think there is a lot of validity in what I said. I also think this reinforces my stance that you cannot ride both sides of the fence forever.
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(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  How did we lose free speech here?

Sigh.

I subscribe to the concept that wherever free speech is not required, it still remains a Really Good Idea. But the difference between "I had something deleted / modded on this private website" and "my Federally granted right to freedom of expression is being oppressed" is a really important one.

This is a private forum. It is consistent with free speech principles to have certain rules or guidelines about content and mode of expression in a private, nongovernmental forum. And GTS et al have put a lot of effort into keeping things relatively open here despite a lack of government mandate to do so.

There will always be a difference between the government saying what you can and can not do and a small website making rules about what sorts of discussion are and are not okay. The fact that CSNBBS has the right to delete or mod whatever it wants is true but it's not an argument you'll find any mods making because that's not really the lens we look at things through, certainly not in the Spin Room.

What CSNBBS is trying, perhaps desperately trying, is to limit those whose intention was to use the Spin Room as a stage to provoke other posters into participating in an elaborate performance art piece designed for attention and their own amusement.

People have the rest of the internet to rant on at will, but here you are free to make whatever points you think you need to make by writing it out with civilized words, like an educated and responsible adult.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 04:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  How did we lose free speech here?

Sigh.

I subscribe to the concept that wherever free speech is not required, it still remains a Really Good Idea. But the difference between "I had something deleted / modded on this private website" and "my Federally granted right to freedom of expression is being oppressed" is a really important one.

This is a private forum. It is consistent with free speech principles to have certain rules or guidelines about content and mode of expression in a private, nongovernmental forum. And GTS et al have put a lot of effort into keeping things relatively open here despite a lack of government mandate to do so.

There will always be a difference between the government saying what you can and can not do and a small website making rules about what sorts of discussion are and are not okay. The fact that CSNBBS has the right to delete or mod whatever it wants is true but it's not an argument you'll find any mods making because that's not really the lens we look at things through, certainly not in the Spin Room.

What CSNBBS is trying, perhaps desperately trying, is to limit those whose intention was to use the Spin Room as a stage to provoke other posters into participating in an elaborate performance art piece designed for attention and their own amusement.

People have the rest of the internet to rant on at will, but here you are free to make whatever points you think you need to make by writing it out with civilized words, like an educated and responsible adult.

You are correct that this is a private forum and you are correct that free speech pertains to government infringement. The admin is free to censor whatever he wishes.

My concerns lie in the fact that this new structure is designed to control one group and appease another.

Why not create a sub forum for people who were upset by threads they just could not help clicking on.

I am not trying to be difficult. I am voicing a real concern.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 04:14 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 04:02 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  I went away for a couple of days and returned to a board with "modding". How did we lose free speech here?

So do you lose free speech on any other board on this network that is moderated? And how exactly is callin someone an "f*cking idiot" for havin a different opinion than yours "free speech"? This is simply a way to debate issues without them derailing into urinating contests.

Wow....aren't you nice. I almost never use bad language and never called anyone a "f*cking idiot"...so I don't know why you are saying that.

That said, people need to have thicker skin. There is absolutely no need for "modding" or "rules". If people have a problem, they should try to work it out first instead of just crying about decorum. While a lot of people on here can be rough at times, I think most of them would stand down if sent a PM describing a grievance.

To me, modding is just a way of injecting someone else's pc values on other people.


I wasn't exactly saying you in particular was using that kind of language. And there are things in place to prevent a mod, like myself, from deleting a post and issuing a warning because I disagreed with it. There's a reason why there are mods from both sides of the aisle and from different walks of life.
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(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  I went away for a couple of days and returned to a board with "modding". How did we lose free speech here?

Dixe.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 04:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  How did we lose free speech here?

Sigh.

I subscribe to the concept that wherever free speech is not required, it still remains a Really Good Idea. But the difference between "I had something deleted / modded on this private website" and "my Federally granted right to freedom of expression is being oppressed" is a really important one.

This is a private forum. It is consistent with free speech principles to have certain rules or guidelines about content and mode of expression in a private, nongovernmental forum. And GTS et al have put a lot of effort into keeping things relatively open here despite a lack of government mandate to do so.

There will always be a difference between the government saying what you can and can not do and a small website making rules about what sorts of discussion are and are not okay. The fact that CSNBBS has the right to delete or mod whatever it wants is true but it's not an argument you'll find any mods making because that's not really the lens we look at things through, certainly not in the Spin Room.

What CSNBBS is trying, perhaps desperately trying, is to limit those whose intention was to use the Spin Room as a stage to provoke other posters into participating in an elaborate performance art piece designed for attention and their own amusement.

People have the rest of the internet to rant on at will, but here you are free to make whatever points you think you need to make by writing it out with civilized words, like an educated and responsible adult.

Excellently put.
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(09-30-2014 04:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 04:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  How did we lose free speech here?

Sigh.

I subscribe to the concept that wherever free speech is not required, it still remains a Really Good Idea. But the difference between "I had something deleted / modded on this private website" and "my Federally granted right to freedom of expression is being oppressed" is a really important one.

This is a private forum. It is consistent with free speech principles to have certain rules or guidelines about content and mode of expression in a private, nongovernmental forum. And GTS et al have put a lot of effort into keeping things relatively open here despite a lack of government mandate to do so.

There will always be a difference between the government saying what you can and can not do and a small website making rules about what sorts of discussion are and are not okay. The fact that CSNBBS has the right to delete or mod whatever it wants is true but it's not an argument you'll find any mods making because that's not really the lens we look at things through, certainly not in the Spin Room.

What CSNBBS is trying, perhaps desperately trying, is to limit those whose intention was to use the Spin Room as a stage to provoke other posters into participating in an elaborate performance art piece designed for attention and their own amusement.

People have the rest of the internet to rant on at will, but here you are free to make whatever points you think you need to make by writing it out with civilized words, like an educated and responsible adult.

Excellently put.

Not really, because it ignores what I posted above.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 04:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 04:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  How did we lose free speech here?

Sigh.

I subscribe to the concept that wherever free speech is not required, it still remains a Really Good Idea. But the difference between "I had something deleted / modded on this private website" and "my Federally granted right to freedom of expression is being oppressed" is a really important one.

This is a private forum. It is consistent with free speech principles to have certain rules or guidelines about content and mode of expression in a private, nongovernmental forum. And GTS et al have put a lot of effort into keeping things relatively open here despite a lack of government mandate to do so.

There will always be a difference between the government saying what you can and can not do and a small website making rules about what sorts of discussion are and are not okay. The fact that CSNBBS has the right to delete or mod whatever it wants is true but it's not an argument you'll find any mods making because that's not really the lens we look at things through, certainly not in the Spin Room.

What CSNBBS is trying, perhaps desperately trying, is to limit those whose intention was to use the Spin Room as a stage to provoke other posters into participating in an elaborate performance art piece designed for attention and their own amusement.

People have the rest of the internet to rant on at will, but here you are free to make whatever points you think you need to make by writing it out with civilized words, like an educated and responsible adult.

You are correct that this is a private forum and you are correct that free speech pertains to government infringement. The admin is free to censor whatever he wishes.

My concerns lie in the fact that this new structure is designed to control one group and appease another.

Why not create a sub forum for people who were upset by threads they just could not help clicking on.

I am not trying to be difficult. I am voicing a real concern.
Okie, people from all sides of the political spectrum here have thrown personal attacks out, the only group that we are trying to control is the group that can't debate civilly. That is all. As you have said, the liberals have guys who con't stop throwing insults either, this isn't right vs left. Bring your passion for whatever issue you have, and while you do that, bring a source for your facts and you will fit in swimmingly.
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RE: If we are going to go full mod..
(09-30-2014 04:40 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 04:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 04:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-30-2014 03:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  How did we lose free speech here?

Sigh.

I subscribe to the concept that wherever free speech is not required, it still remains a Really Good Idea. But the difference between "I had something deleted / modded on this private website" and "my Federally granted right to freedom of expression is being oppressed" is a really important one.

This is a private forum. It is consistent with free speech principles to have certain rules or guidelines about content and mode of expression in a private, nongovernmental forum. And GTS et al have put a lot of effort into keeping things relatively open here despite a lack of government mandate to do so.

There will always be a difference between the government saying what you can and can not do and a small website making rules about what sorts of discussion are and are not okay. The fact that CSNBBS has the right to delete or mod whatever it wants is true but it's not an argument you'll find any mods making because that's not really the lens we look at things through, certainly not in the Spin Room.

What CSNBBS is trying, perhaps desperately trying, is to limit those whose intention was to use the Spin Room as a stage to provoke other posters into participating in an elaborate performance art piece designed for attention and their own amusement.

People have the rest of the internet to rant on at will, but here you are free to make whatever points you think you need to make by writing it out with civilized words, like an educated and responsible adult.

You are correct that this is a private forum and you are correct that free speech pertains to government infringement. The admin is free to censor whatever he wishes.

My concerns lie in the fact that this new structure is designed to control one group and appease another.

Why not create a sub forum for people who were upset by threads they just could not help clicking on.

I am not trying to be difficult. I am voicing a real concern.
Okie, people from all sides of the political spectrum here have thrown personal attacks out, the only group that we are trying to control is the group that can't debate civilly. That is all. As you have said, the liberals have guys who con't stop throwing insults either, this isn't right vs left. Bring your passion for whatever issue you have, and while you do that, bring a source for your facts and you will fit in swimmingly.

They way it has been laid out, no one can post any threads pertaining to anything negative regarding the gay community.

I can refrain from using slurs, but this is appeasing people too tender to even have it discussed.

So of a baker is forced to make a wedding cake by a gay couple an activist judge, that cannot even be brought up here.
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