Watching and reading the Enquirer before and after UC games it's clear that they are lacking in covering big time football. Even if UC were in the Big 12 on any power conference its doubtful the paper/online coverage would be any better.
I read the Dispatch this morning was over whelmed by the complete coverage of the game both sides. Of course CE coverage was never really that great even when the paper was making money and had a full staff. It's a real shame

(09-28-2014 11:55 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Watching and reading the Enquirer before and after UC games it's clear that they are lacking in covering big time football. Even if UC were in the Big 12 on any power conference its doubtful the paper/online coverage would be any better.
I read the Dispatch this morning was over whelmed by the complete coverage of the game both sides. Of course CE coverage was never really that great even when the paper was making money and had a full staff. It's a real shame

Traditional media in this town is pretty lame. It was both quaint and pathetic watching Joe Danneman trying to both shoot his own video and report on the UC-tO$U game from the sidelines last night. He probably had to clean the toilets after he got back to the station to help make ends meet.

We know that the media in Cincinnati sucks, but can someone please propose something better to fix that? Complainaning about it really is going to get us no where

(09-28-2014 04:02 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  We know that the media in Cincinnati sucks, but can someone please propose something better to fix that? Complainaning about it really is going to get us no where

Perhaps some of you guys* should step up and invite local media representatives and their spouses to a tailgate party and game at Nippert next year so they can experience the ambience of game day first-hand. Include not only sports writers, but also their editors and other higher-ups. Make friends with them, praise their kids, buy them beers, kiss their a$$e$ -- whatever it takes. Do it more than once. Get them away from the press box and encourage them to mingle with the rabble. Who knows? Maybe they'd get swept up by the spirit of things and convey some of that excitement to their readers. They might even thank you for it.

Of course, it's easy for me to suggest something like that, since I'm out here in western Colorado, but still...

Regarding media relations, a press liaison who worked for my organization back in the day always told me, "You gotta know 'em before you need 'em." Truer words were never spoken.

*My apologies if you've already tried this and it hasn't worked. But why not try again? Anything worth doing is worth doing twice, right?

Ive proposed something similiar. Alot of people suggest we should just not listen to guys like Mo and Lance and that might be the most foolish thing we as a fan base could possibly do. I dont care what it takes, letters, tweets, tailgates, we need to get the Cincinnati media to back us up no matter what. Im tired of this objectivity....

We live in a PRO town, it's that simple. That's what sells papers in this area, 95% of their resources go to the Reds and the Bengals. Unless UC or X, for that matter, play in a big time bowl or national championship game, it is what it is, always has been, always will be.

Change is a b!***. Hate the radio personalities' take here in town because they judge the fan base on the tiny % that tweets/calls them. I would much rather hear Tommy G reporting or just giving his insider take than the hosts who want controversy or repeat themselves endlessly like we are two year olds. Talk xs and os, possible future happenings etc, not why UC fans should shut up if the Bearcats don't win.

I always spend an hour or two in the tailgating areas before heading to the press box. Feel free to have me stop by any time...

(09-28-2014 07:20 PM)FenderCat Wrote:  I would much rather hear Tommy G reporting or just giving his insider take than the hosts who want controversy or repeat themselves endlessly like we are two year olds. Talk xs and os, possible future happenings etc, not why UC fans should shut up if the Bearcats don't win.

If that was profitable for a station, someone would air it.

On a related note, I wonder how many people watch the Bearcat shows on FSN?

The Enquirer sucks and it looks like a tabloid paper you see at the checkout aisle at the grocery store!

The problem isn't that the media doesn't care about UC or aren't fans. Mo and Lance are clearly fans - Lance tweeted a picture of himself in the Horseshoe with a Bearcats hat on. The media outlets just don't think covering UC in depth is going to affect the bottom line. There's only so much one guy covering the beat like Groeschen can do. If the advertisers and management don't give a crap, then it's hard to change the amount of coverage and I doubt tailgates or whatever is going to help.

If you're comparing the Dispatch's coverage of Ohio State vs. the Enquirer's coverage of UC, that's a bit unfair.

UC competes with the Reds and Bengals; OSU does not. There is nothing in Columbus comparable with Cincinnati's situation.

Plus, if you look at how many stories the Enquirer actually writes about UC, it's fairly decent. I think people here like to complain.

(09-29-2014 06:37 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  If you're comparing the Dispatch's coverage of Ohio State vs. the Enquirer's coverage of UC, that's a bit unfair.

UC competes with the Reds and Bengals; OSU does not. There is nothing in Columbus comparable with Cincinnati's situation.

Plus, if you look at how many stories the Enquirer actually writes about UC, it's fairly decent. I think people here like to complain.

Just talking about game day and next day coverage. There no really no staffing reason why the EQ could not do a better job on college football. There were only 2 articles on the game and Doc chipped in which was nice. Even the Plain Dealer which has pro sports as well has decent coverage of college football.

I am surprised that the "Columbus Dispatch - Cincinnati Edition" is still in business.

(09-28-2014 05:37 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Ive proposed something similiar. Alot of people suggest we should just not listen to guys like Mo and Lance and that might be the most foolish thing we as a fan base could possibly do. I dont care what it takes, letters, tweets, tailgates, we need to get the Cincinnati media to back us up no matter what. Im tired of this objectivity....

Since at least 1997 (the year I walked on campus) this has been a normal discussion. There have been letter writing, email writing, phone calls, tweets, etc., etc.... and the media always responds and says "if UC could sell out then we'd agree that there was interest," or "UC just doesn't win enough to make it worth our time," or 100 other excuses.

I'm not sure if Bearcat News still has the email forum archive, but if you go back there you will see a lot of ongoing discussions about how to get the media to cover UC better.

(09-29-2014 10:32 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 05:37 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Ive proposed something similiar. Alot of people suggest we should just not listen to guys like Mo and Lance and that might be the most foolish thing we as a fan base could possibly do. I dont care what it takes, letters, tweets, tailgates, we need to get the Cincinnati media to back us up no matter what. Im tired of this objectivity....

Since at least 1997 (the year I walked on campus) this has been a normal discussion. There have been letter writing, email writing, phone calls, tweets, etc., etc.... and the media always responds and says "if UC could sell out then we'd agree that there was interest," or "UC just doesn't win enough to make it worth our time," or 100 other excuses.

I'm not sure if Bearcat News still has the email forum archive, but if you go back there you will see a lot of ongoing discussions about how to get the media to cover UC better.

Emails, tweets, phone calls, and letters aren't enough, and bitching and negativity of the kind expressed in this thread foster continuing alienation. Establishing bonds with media folks requires many and routine face-to-face encounters, both professional and social. The intent should be to cultivate friendships with the writers, editors, and on-screen personalities who cover sports. Publishers and station managers, the guys who really call the shots, should also be targeted.

It's hard for friends to ignore or crap on one another. If those media folks were genuinely our friends, they'd more likely treat the things we hold dear more positively.

(09-29-2014 11:48 AM)colohank Wrote:  Emails, tweets, phone calls, and letters aren't enough, and bitching and negativity of the kind expressed in this thread foster continuing alienation. Establishing bonds with media folks requires many and routine face-to-face encounters, both professional and social. The intent should be to cultivate friendships with the writers, editors, and on-screen personalities who cover sports. Publishers and station managers, the guys who really call the shots, should also be targeted.

It's hard for friends to ignore or crap on one another. If those media folks were genuinely our friends, they'd more likely treat the things we hold dear more positively.

Their biases are not going anywhere... you won't be able to get them to show up at the tailgate either. It is what it is.

Anyone else looking forward today to Mo lecturing Bearcat Nation on how we as a fanbase should act now? Ahhh, nothing quite like a Mo Egger lecture to get the spirits up. Thanks Mo, youre right, the Bearcat fanbase should just keep our mouths shut until UC beats someone other than Temple. He'll mention beating SMU, UCONN, and Temple, but wont mention wins against any old Big East team, or Oregon State, VT, or NC State, a Franklin led Vandy, or a rising Duke. I bet he mentions the loss to Tennessee as well.

Seriously, there wont be a lick of game analysis or anything to that nature, just that UC hasnt hit the "Big Time" yet. Come back at 6:30 today and tell me this post isnt at least mostly fitting.

(09-29-2014 11:58 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Anyone else looking forward today to Mo lecturing Bearcat Nation on how we as a fanbase should act now? Ahhh, nothing quite like a Mo Egger lecture to get the spirits up. Thanks Mo, youre right, the Bearcat fanbase should just keep our mouths shut until UC beats someone other than Temple. He'll mention beating SMU, UCONN, and Temple, but wont mention wins against any old Big East team, or Oregon State, VT, or NC State, a Franklin led Vandy, or a rising Duke. I bet he mentions the loss to Tennessee as well.

Seriously, there wont be a lick of game analysis or anything to that nature, just that UC hasnt hit the "Big Time" yet. Come back at 6:30 today and tell me this post isnt at least mostly fitting.

As I have mentioned before on this board, the response to Mo, Lance, P-Doc or whomever is that comparing UC to Ohio State or UK is apples to oranges. Those schools have a lot more money, resources and history than we do and they are the only game in their respective towns. There is no reason why UC can't be a Pitt, Miami (FL), Georgia Tech, BC, Louisville or even a school like WVU, NC State or Virginia Tech. We have even beaten and have been better than most of those schools the past decade.

Some thoughts on this topics, which seems to come up once a month. The Cincy media is terrible period. I have family and friends, who live in other parts of the country, and they all remark on the lack of quality and coverage. The Dispatch might not be a good comparison, however the Plain Dealer is definitely comparable. They are a "pro-town" paper and typically cover college equally well. So much for the "pro-town" red herring. Someone remarked earlier, "it is what it is, always has been, always will be." Therein lies the main problem with the Cincinnati area in general - resistance to change. Resistance to change is sooo Cincinnati. Heaven forbid someone try something different here. Which begs the question - why not give UC more coverage? Why not try to increase our viewership or increase profit, instead of alienating a segment of the population? Can UC overage and Bungles/Reds coverage coexist? Finally, if UC is not perennially one of the top 3-5 programs in the country they are considered a bad product, do not "deserve" coverage, fans should shut up/go away, and just stop trying to field a team. The constant comparisons to osu, ND, Mich, Bama, UK for bball, is completely misplaced. Compare us to other urban research institutions, ie Pitt, Gtech or even Miami. Why not show how we do as well, with lesser resources, than 3/4 of colleges? The narrative was cast a long time ago and reality is too much for the media to bear in this town. The band plays on, regardless of the outcome on the field or in the classroom.