(09-27-2014 10:02 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:59 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 06:06 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 03:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Yes, ignorant. Because he doesn't agree with your opinion. Apparently the majority of CUSA coaches seem to disagree with your opinion though.

Lol. Go back to the aac board troll. I would never start carden over cato. How many ints did he have here last season? 59-28....

You have no basis of facts or relevant opinion. Where do I say anything about Carden or Cato? 3. One was a dropped pass, the other was a screen that hit a O-lineman who randomly stepped back. Again no relevance

That screen never hit an OL. Your amazing QB threw it directly to our DE.

Carden was owned in Huntington last year.

Cato was quite the stud in that game too hunh? 272 whole yards

Cardens hand hit the Center's helmet as he threw the screen.

20:52 mark. Carden's hand hit nothing. You're mistaken. I'm not calling you a liar because I honestly think you believe that and are not knowingly being incorrect.

http://youtu.be/VVsWop5Qb-0

And BTW, Marshall scored 59 points. Carden led ECU to two TD's against Herd starters. That's not a game you want to play. Your QB is simply inferior to ours. But both are good and no doubt, we are both happy to have our guys.

Where does Quez Johnson (FAU) rank among the C-USA QBs?

(09-27-2014 10:43 PM)bigherdon Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 02:57 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the best one the left with the pirates.....carden is the number one drafted in '15

That is ignorant. In all measurements. He is a good qb and he throws it 50 times a game. I would take Cato anyday and twice on sunday

Is that all you do, troll these boards and ***** at people who have a different opinion than you? So what, he thinks Carden is better, it's his opinion. Why is it ignorant? You do the same thing on Herdfans, you ***** and argue with posters like a junior high girl.

Ok drama queen, sounds like you need a hobby. Its ignorant because he said he is the number 1 pick. A draft that will include winston, and mariota. That is ignorant. Go away

(09-28-2014 01:16 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  Where does Quez Johnson (FAU) rank among the C-USA QBs?

He is making a strong case.

I would rank the top 5 as so (realizing stats dont tell the whole story. You arent going to throw it very much when you can run for 300 ypg and sit out the 4th qtr)

1. Cato - can't argue with 11,000+ passing yards and 100 td passes with 10 games left
2. Doughty -Stud. Putting up video game numbers
3. Heinecke - great qb and decision maker. Can really run that ball too and has the prettiest slide i have ever seen. Wish he would teach cato
4. Grammar - throws some good balls. Looked great vs odu
5. Quez - still no ints this season. Had a couple tough games but played well tonight.

(09-27-2014 09:39 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 07:40 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  To be clear, cato is about 5'11 in reality.

Are you serious? It seems like he is at least 6 feet. I would of never thought he was 5'11".

Yes. I promise you, he is 5'11 at best. I am 6'3, and he comes up just below my nose in height.

(09-28-2014 12:46 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:02 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:59 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 06:06 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Lol. Go back to the aac board troll. I would never start carden over cato. How many ints did he have here last season? 59-28....

You have no basis of facts or relevant opinion. Where do I say anything about Carden or Cato? 3. One was a dropped pass, the other was a screen that hit a O-lineman who randomly stepped back. Again no relevance

That screen never hit an OL. Your amazing QB threw it directly to our DE.

Carden was owned in Huntington last year.

Cato was quite the stud in that game too hunh? 272 whole yards

Cardens hand hit the Center's helmet as he threw the screen.

20:52 mark. Carden's hand hit nothing. You're mistaken. I'm not calling you a liar because I honestly think you believe that and are not knowingly being incorrect.

http://youtu.be/VVsWop5Qb-0

And BTW, Marshall scored 59 points. Carden led ECU to two TD's against Herd starters. That's not a game you want to play. Your QB is simply inferior to ours. But both are good and no doubt, we are both happy to have our guys.

You're right, must've been another play I was thinking of. As for that one the lane was open, but the defensive end happened to cut in at the right time.

The year before Carden put 52 up on Marshall. Look at this years stats Carden has a much better completion percentage against much better competition than Cato. Carden has 350 more yards, one more TD and one more INT than Cato. Cardens completion percentage is at 62.5 and would be much higher if it weren't for the VT game where we attacked vertically and he threw 49% complete. Catos is at 57% against pretty pathetic defenses. However ESPN does their "adjusted QBR" it has Carden with a 74.4 on the season against Catos 72.9. Cato has 4 rushing TDs against Cardens 3.

(09-28-2014 02:02 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 01:16 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  Where does Quez Johnson (FAU) rank among the C-USA QBs?

He is making a strong case.

I would rank the top 5 as so (realizing stats dont tell the whole story. You arent going to throw it very much when you can run for 300 ypg and sit out the 4th qtr)

1. Cato - can't argue with 11,000+ passing yards and 100 td passes with 10 games left
2. Doughty -Stud. Putting up video game numbers
3. Heinecke - great qb and decision maker. Can really run that ball too and has the prettiest slide i have ever seen. Wish he would teach cato
4. Grammar - throws some good balls. Looked great vs odu
5. Quez - still no ints this season. Had a couple tough games but played well tonight.

I would put Heinecke 2nd and Doughty 3rd, but that's about what I would have too.

It's way too early in his career to rank him, but you guys will be impressed with Dajon Williams.

(09-28-2014 01:54 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:43 PM)bigherdon Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 02:57 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the best one the left with the pirates.....carden is the number one drafted in '15

That is ignorant. In all measurements. He is a good qb and he throws it 50 times a game. I would take Cato anyday and twice on sunday

Is that all you do, troll these boards and ***** at people who have a different opinion than you? So what, he thinks Carden is better, it's his opinion. Why is it ignorant? You do the same thing on Herdfans, you ***** and argue with posters like a junior high girl.

Ok drama queen, sounds like you need a hobby. Its ignorant because he said he is the number 1 pick. A draft that will include winston, and mariota. That is ignorant. Go away

I'm not getting into the pissing match over which QB is actually better, I've seen little of Cato and less of Carden, furthermore where two qquarterbacks are drafted in relation to one another is not the ultimate deciding factor in who is the better college quarterback.

Now, having said that, I didn't read his original statement as suggesting that Carden would be the number one pick, I read it as first QB taken out of the QBs being discussed.

Also, Winston claims he's coming back to FSU next year.

(09-28-2014 07:59 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 12:46 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:02 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:59 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  You have no basis of facts or relevant opinion. Where do I say anything about Carden or Cato? 3. One was a dropped pass, the other was a screen that hit a O-lineman who randomly stepped back. Again no relevance

That screen never hit an OL. Your amazing QB threw it directly to our DE.

Carden was owned in Huntington last year.

Cato was quite the stud in that game too hunh? 272 whole yards

Cardens hand hit the Center's helmet as he threw the screen.

20:52 mark. Carden's hand hit nothing. You're mistaken. I'm not calling you a liar because I honestly think you believe that and are not knowingly being incorrect.

http://youtu.be/VVsWop5Qb-0

And BTW, Marshall scored 59 points. Carden led ECU to two TD's against Herd starters. That's not a game you want to play. Your QB is simply inferior to ours. But both are good and no doubt, we are both happy to have our guys.

You're right, must've been another play I was thinking of. As for that one the lane was open, but the defensive end happened to cut in at the right time.

The year before Carden put 52 up on Marshall. Look at this years stats Carden has a much better completion percentage against much better competition than Cato. Carden has 350 more yards, one more TD and one more INT than Cato. Cardens completion percentage is at 62.5 and would be much higher if it weren't for the VT game where we attacked vertically and he threw 49% complete. Catos is at 57% against pretty pathetic defenses. However ESPN does their "adjusted QBR" it has Carden with a 74.4 on the season against Catos 72.9. Cato has 4 rushing TDs against Cardens 3.

You do realize your so called much tougher opponents are being exposed each week, right?

Cato and Froh put up 52 in regulation in 2012. Cato put up 59 last year. Head to head, Cato threw 7 TD passes against ECU. Carden threw 3 against Marshall.

0 TD, 3 INT last year when Marshall actually started playing defense. Nobody else lit you up like Marshall did those two years.

But alas you moved on to different things, depriving us all of the rubber match this year in Greenville, against the most complete Marshall team you would have ever faced.

BTW, Cato threw 28 times last year. Carden threw it 52 times with 0 TD. That's not exactly impressive.

Marshall is infinitely more balanced...and hence more complete, than it was going back to 2012.

(09-27-2014 06:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the best one the left with the pirates.....carden is the number one drafted in '15

Of the G5 maybe, what will likely hurt Cato is his 6'1" frame. NFL likes QB 6'4" or taller.

I think Drew Breeze shows us that if you've GOT THE STUFF; the NFL does not care how tall you are! I think Cato has a shot! So, does Carden. With the NFL it always comes down to whether you can make ALL of the throws!

As for Grammer one thing to keep in mind is he only has five starts under his belt. The ladd still has a bit of learning to do.

That said a poster on one of our boards compared Grammers rating to Cato's first season. Cato's rating and ESPN QBR his first year were 126 and 40, respectively, and Grammer's is 144 and 75 through the first five games. Grammer didn't start as a freshman; however, and has had a year to at least learn the offense, but I found the comparison interesting if nothing else.

Cato had a very average freshman season all told, but our team was not very good in the least. He was also not nearly as developed physically as he is now (although he still is no specimen). Big thing with Cato is, he is almost flawless on decision making. He does alot in this offense that isn't seen with checks and getting our guys in the right playcall etc. The last game i think the coaches said he made 1 wrong decision out of the whole game. Thats tremendous. He is a very smart QB as well and that goes a long way.

(09-28-2014 01:59 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 06:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the best one the left with the pirates.....carden is the number one drafted in '15

Of the G5 maybe, what will likely hurt Cato is his 6'1" frame. NFL likes QB 6'4" or taller.

I think Drew Breeze shows us that if you've GOT THE STUFF; the NFL does not care how tall you are! I think Cato has a shot! So, does Carden. With the NFL it always comes down to whether you can make ALL of the throws!

Brees is a HOFer and likely finishes his career somewhere in the discussion for top 10-15 QBs all time.

Cato could be a NFL guy, but on top of being undersized(by NFL standards) he's also a mid major QB. Purdue is no great power, but he did play in the Big Ten and at a time that the Big Ten was much stronger than it is currently.

You can make it as an undersized QB, you can make it without having played in a power conference, but I'm having trouble coming up with a non power conference QB under 6'2 in the NFL now, or any time recently for that matter.

Cato will play in the NFL.....at wide receiver.

(09-28-2014 01:40 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 07:59 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 12:46 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:02 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 09:59 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  That screen never hit an OL. Your amazing QB threw it directly to our DE.

Carden was owned in Huntington last year.

Cato was quite the stud in that game too hunh? 272 whole yards

Cardens hand hit the Center's helmet as he threw the screen.

20:52 mark. Carden's hand hit nothing. You're mistaken. I'm not calling you a liar because I honestly think you believe that and are not knowingly being incorrect.

http://youtu.be/VVsWop5Qb-0

And BTW, Marshall scored 59 points. Carden led ECU to two TD's against Herd starters. That's not a game you want to play. Your QB is simply inferior to ours. But both are good and no doubt, we are both happy to have our guys.

You're right, must've been another play I was thinking of. As for that one the lane was open, but the defensive end happened to cut in at the right time.

The year before Carden put 52 up on Marshall. Look at this years stats Carden has a much better completion percentage against much better competition than Cato. Carden has 350 more yards, one more TD and one more INT than Cato. Cardens completion percentage is at 62.5 and would be much higher if it weren't for the VT game where we attacked vertically and he threw 49% complete. Catos is at 57% against pretty pathetic defenses. However ESPN does their "adjusted QBR" it has Carden with a 74.4 on the season against Catos 72.9. Cato has 4 rushing TDs against Cardens 3.

You do realize your so called much tougher opponents are being exposed each week, right?

Cato and Froh put up 52 in regulation in 2012. Cato put up 59 last year. Head to head, Cato threw 7 TD passes against ECU. Carden threw 3 against Marshall.

0 TD, 3 INT last year when Marshall actually started playing defense. Nobody else lit you up like Marshall did those two years.

But alas you moved on to different things, depriving us all of the rubber match this year in Greenville, against the most complete Marshall team you would have ever faced.

BTW, Cato threw 28 times last year. Carden threw it 52 times with 0 TD. That's not exactly impressive.

Marshall is infinitely more balanced...and hence more complete, than it was going back to 2012.

So you disregarded my whole post? We had one day of practice the week before we played you due to weather. We arrived in Huntington Friday night, again due to weather. Carden had surgery on his hand three days before we played you. I'm not sure why you're bragging about scoring on the 2012 team against one of are worst defenses ever. Carden also had a rushing TD and two passes to the goaline last year. ECU is a helluva lot better than we were last year. We seem to be able to stop people in the air this year, rather than just one or two players being able to. You can't use one game to compare quarterbacks, that is "ignorant".

I'm done arguing over games, this thread is about quarterbacks, not how great and "complete" Marshall is.

(09-28-2014 02:39 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 01:59 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 06:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the best one the left with the pirates.....carden is the number one drafted in '15

Of the G5 maybe, what will likely hurt Cato is his 6'1" frame. NFL likes QB 6'4" or taller.

I think Drew Breeze shows us that if you've GOT THE STUFF; the NFL does not care how tall you are! I think Cato has a shot! So, does Carden. With the NFL it always comes down to whether you can make ALL of the throws!

Brees is a HOFer and likely finishes his career somewhere in the discussion for top 10-15 QBs all time.

Cato could be a NFL guy, but on top of being undersized(by NFL standards) he's also a mid major QB. Purdue is no great power, but he did play in the Big Ten and at a time that the Big Ten was much stronger than it is currently.

You can make it as an undersized QB, you can make it without having played in a power conference, but I'm having trouble coming up with a non power conference QB under 6'2 in the NFL now, or any time recently for that matter.

How tall was a Webb from UAB? Not a HoFer but made rosters and had his chances.

(09-28-2014 02:39 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 01:59 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 06:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the best one the left with the pirates.....carden is the number one drafted in '15

Of the G5 maybe, what will likely hurt Cato is his 6'1" frame. NFL likes QB 6'4" or taller.

I think Drew Breeze shows us that if you've GOT THE STUFF; the NFL does not care how tall you are! I think Cato has a shot! So, does Carden. With the NFL it always comes down to whether you can make ALL of the throws!

Brees is a HOFer and likely finishes his career somewhere in the discussion for top 10-15 QBs all time.

Cato could be a NFL guy, but on top of being undersized(by NFL standards) he's also a mid major QB. Purdue is no great power, but he did play in the Big Ten and at a time that the Big Ten was much stronger than it is currently.

You can make it as an undersized QB, you can make it without having played in a power conference, but I'm having trouble coming up with a non power conference QB under 6'2 in the NFL now, or any time recently for that matter.

You have a point regarding the 6'2" or P-5 threshold. However, although Tony Romo is nowhere as talented as Breeze; the Cowboy QB is an Eastern Illinois (OVC) product and he is only "LISTED" as 6'2". Not sure that's not a stretch on his height.

I really like Heinecke. Every time I've seen ODU he impresses. Against MTSU he was throwing some dimes. Cato is a great QB as well, but not that this is a knock on him but he's working with a much more talented roster than Heinecke is overall. I haven't seen enough of the rest of the leagues QB's, but I know I'd gladly take either of those 2 to build a team around and feel really good about it.

(09-27-2014 09:39 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 07:40 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  To be clear, cato is about 5'11 in reality.

Are you serious? It seems like he is at least 6 feet. I would of never thought he was 5'11".

I just graduated from Marshall last year and played pick up basketball with Cato a lot my senior year there.. I'm 5' 11 1/2" and Cato is about the same height as me