http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.s...ie_at.html

Quote:Noted bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel, a former Obama administration health-care adviser and a brother of Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, believes he knows when he'll have had enough. Now 57, he wants to die in 18 years. Seventy-five, he says, is a good age to kick the bucket.

Dr. Emanuel decries the do-anything-to-live-longer efforts of what he calls "American immortals," people who pop pills, manically exercise and seek out advanced medical intervention to prolong their lives. It's all for nothing, he says.

Death is a terrible loss, he writes in The Atlantic. But "living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic."

(09-26-2014 02:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.s...ie_at.html

Quote:Noted bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel, a former Obama administration health-care adviser and a brother of Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, believes he knows when he'll have had enough. Now 57, he wants to die in 18 years. Seventy-five, he says, is a good age to kick the bucket.

Dr. Emanuel decries the do-anything-to-live-longer efforts of what he calls "American immortals," people who pop pills, manically exercise and seek out advanced medical intervention to prolong their lives. It's all for nothing, he says.

Death is a terrible loss, he writes in The Atlantic. But "living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic."

Maybe its a good time for HIM to die. My GF's great grandmother just died last month at the age of 98. She owned and operated a beauty salon until she was 94. Staying active kept her healthy. Ezekiel is just a retard like his brother.

(09-26-2014 02:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 02:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.s...ie_at.html

Quote:Noted bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel, a former Obama administration health-care adviser and a brother of Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, believes he knows when he'll have had enough. Now 57, he wants to die in 18 years. Seventy-five, he says, is a good age to kick the bucket.

Dr. Emanuel decries the do-anything-to-live-longer efforts of what he calls "American immortals," people who pop pills, manically exercise and seek out advanced medical intervention to prolong their lives. It's all for nothing, he says.

Death is a terrible loss, he writes in The Atlantic. But "living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic."

Maybe its a good time for HIM to die. My GF's great grandmother just died last month at the age of 98. She owned and operated a beauty salon until she was 94. Staying active kept her healthy. Ezekiel is just a retard like his brother.

Yeah, my wife's grandmother died last year at 94 and worked full time as an accountant for an attorney until she was 89.

(09-26-2014 02:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 02:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.s...ie_at.html

Quote:Noted bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel, a former Obama administration health-care adviser and a brother of Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, believes he knows when he'll have had enough. Now 57, he wants to die in 18 years. Seventy-five, he says, is a good age to kick the bucket.

Dr. Emanuel decries the do-anything-to-live-longer efforts of what he calls "American immortals," people who pop pills, manically exercise and seek out advanced medical intervention to prolong their lives. It's all for nothing, he says.

Death is a terrible loss, he writes in The Atlantic. But "living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic."

Maybe its a good time for HIM to die. My GF's great grandmother just died last month at the age of 98. She owned and operated a beauty salon until she was 94. Staying active kept her healthy. Ezekiel is just a retard like his brother.

I try to avoid medicine when i can. I don't like taking pain meds. I just feel like there are to many draw backs.

I have had surgery on both my shoulders. The first was for a broken collar bone 7 screw and a metal plate. i took pain meds the first day only and the rest of the time i was fine hardly any pain.

The second surgery was on my rotator cuff. This was a little more painful but i still only took them for about a week and a half.

I knew people who took them all the time for stupid stuff. I don't think a little pain is worth screwing up your liver.

(09-26-2014 02:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Yeah, my wife's grandmother died last year at 94 and worked full time as an accountant for an attorney until she was 89.

Looks like idiocy runs in the Emmanuel gene pool.

My dad's 92 and he's doing just fine.

If this guy wants to die at 75 that's fine but don't jump on a soapbox and try to tell other people they should do the same. Just dumb.

Well I'm 70 now, so you can expect to see a lot of posts from me in the next five years.

(09-26-2014 02:54 PM)DragonLair Wrote:  I try to avoid medicine when i can. I don't like taking pain meds. I just feel like there are to many draw backs.

I have had surgery on both my shoulders. The first was for a broken collar bone 7 screw and a metal plate. i took pain meds the first day only and the rest of the time i was fine hardly any pain.

The second surgery was on my rotator cuff. This was a little more painful but i still only took them for about a week and a half.

I knew people who took them all the time for stupid stuff. I don't think a little pain is worth screwing up your liver.

I'll take Tylenol or Advil for a headache or sore back, but nothing else. For major pains, I'll take a BC powder, or two. If you don't know what it is, it's powdered aspirin and not only gives you an energy jolt, but knocks pain out within minutes, sometimes less than a minute. I had a molar pulled out after it got cracked, I had a script for Lortab (sp) but never filled it, I bought a pack of BC and it worked wonders.

(09-26-2014 02:59 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Well I'm 70 now, so you can expect to see a lot of posts from me in the next five years.

It's not often you meet a 70 year old with the skill set to even use a computer so I give you props my friend.

I think I can agree and disagree with him. I've seen some folks older than 85 that was doing quite well, and some folks, in that age group, that were living in nursing homes being complete vegetables. As long as I'm coherent and can move on my own I'll be happy, but I'd hope my folks didn't keep me alive, just to keep me alive.

Not sure if it is "medicine" but they sell this at 7 Eleven here and it really works. I call it Tiger's Blood:

I actually kind of understand his thinking - he doesn't want to be his own witness to decreased mental faculties, etc. I don't think any of us really like the thought of p!ssing in our own pants and a whole lot of other stuff that can happen with aging. With that said, there isn't any magic age where an old man or woman loses it mentally and physically so 75 is just an arbitrary number (I did notice that for him, it's about 20 years in the future) and many folks are still productive past that age.

Having watched grandparents and parents travel down this path, it can become embarrassing for the aged when they begin losing it. I doubt anyone wants it to happen - but it often does and the unfortunate thing is the way you remember them most isn't when they were at their best.

Such is the circle of life.........................

(09-26-2014 03:10 PM)Crebman Wrote:  I actually kind of understand his thinking - he doesn't want to be his own witness to decreased mental faculties, etc. I don't think any of us really like the thought of p!ssing in our own pants and a whole lot of other stuff that can happen with aging. With that said, there isn't any magic age where an old man or woman loses it mentally and physically so 75 is just an arbitrary number (I did notice that for him, it's about 20 years in the future) and many folks are still productive past that age.

Having watched grandparents and parents travel down this path, it can become embarrassing for the aged when they begin losing it. I doubt anyone wants it to happen - but it often does and the unfortunate thing is the way you remember them most isn't when they were at their best.

Such is the circle of life.........................

I understand what he's saying, but what happens when you get to the age of 75? Is Dr. Kevorkian still around? Do you just commit suicide at that point? Some of the medications provide a better life than the person would have had otherwise. Others keep people alive who can still function. People who are taking these medications obviously think they're worth it, and they're the ones in the best position to make that decision.

(09-26-2014 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Not sure if it is "medicine" but they sell this at 7 Eleven here and it really works. I call it Tiger's Blood:

220 mg's of Caffeine and "Get Up & Go" herbal ingredients...


Wanna know a little secret? Drink one full bottle (at least 20 oz) of water before you call it a night and it'll keep your body hydrated. Dehydrating "shrinks" your brain, which pulls on your skull, which gives you that horrendously nasty hangover pain.

(09-26-2014 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I understand what he's saying, but what happens when you get to the age of 75? Is Dr. Kevorkian still around? Do you just commit suicide at that point? Some of the medications provide a better life than the person would have had otherwise. Others keep people alive who can still function. People who are taking these medications obviously think they're worth it, and they're the ones in the best position to make that decision.

Exactly what I'm thinking here... You can't just go off yourself when you hit 75. This guy obviously cares about nobody.

Can't say I can argue against his reasons, but 75 is an arbitrary number. I mean there can be healthy 80 year olds and feeble 60 year olds. I think it comes down to not age, but health. I mean I don't want to be a vegetable only alive due to some machine.

My grandfather is coming up on 89 this January. He worked full time as a farmer until a heart attack and triple bypass at 85. He only works part-time now, and even though he needs a cane to steady himself, is regularly mistaken for 15 years younger.
If this guy wants to kick the bucket at 75, fine, but that's his personal preference and shouldn't be taken as anything other than just that.

(09-26-2014 03:24 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Can't say I can argue against his reasons, but 75 is an arbitrary number. I mean there can be healthy 80 year olds and feeble 60 year olds. I think it comes down to not age, but health. I mean I don't want to be a vegetable only alive due to some machine.

You're right, it's all about health. That's why he makes no sense when he says people don't to eat healthy and exercise. Lol

(09-26-2014 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 03:10 PM)Crebman Wrote:  I actually kind of understand his thinking - he doesn't want to be his own witness to decreased mental faculties, etc. I don't think any of us really like the thought of p!ssing in our own pants and a whole lot of other stuff that can happen with aging. With that said, there isn't any magic age where an old man or woman loses it mentally and physically so 75 is just an arbitrary number (I did notice that for him, it's about 20 years in the future) and many folks are still productive past that age.

Having watched grandparents and parents travel down this path, it can become embarrassing for the aged when they begin losing it. I doubt anyone wants it to happen - but it often does and the unfortunate thing is the way you remember them most isn't when they were at their best.

Such is the circle of life.........................

I understand what he's saying, but what happens when you get to the age of 75? Is Dr. Kevorkian still around? Do you just commit suicide at that point? Some of the medications provide a better life than the person would have had otherwise. Others keep people alive who can still function. People who are taking these medications obviously think they're worth it, and they're the ones in the best position to make that decision.

That's why I said there is no magic age - it's more a function of health and mental faculties than an arbitrary age. I actually think I'd rather kick the bucket earlier than be bedridden or a babbling, drooling idiot my last few years..........