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RE: Kennedy Assassination
I've just now gotten around to reading "The Passage of Power" by historian Robert Caro. The book is volume 4 (with volume 5 to come in the next year or two) of a biography of President Lyndon Johnson, and includes the period surrounding Kennedy's assassination in Dallas. The book describes with fascinating detail how at the very moment that the Kennedy motorcade was making its way through downtown Dallas, there were two other events taking place that could potentially have inflicted terrible damage on the political career of LBJ. One of those events was taking place in New York City, where virtually all of the top editors of LIFE magazine (part of the Henry Luce empire) were conducting a meeting about a projected series of articles that would explain how, exactly, LBJ went from a poor country boy to one of the richest men in Texas, and probably *the* richest man in Texas not directly involved in the oil, aerospace, or defense industries. The other event was taking place in Washington DC, where staff-aides for the US Senate were interviewing a witness about the so-called "Bobby Baker Affair" which was a big thing in the media of that time, and involved LBJ up to his eyeballs, although the media had not -- yet -- said so.

The editors' meeting at the Time-Life building was, of course, interrupted by news of the shooting in Dallas. Suddenly, the exposé of LBJ's shady financial dealings got put on the back-burner, although a watered-down version was published about 9 months later. As for the interview taking place in Washington, it only involved four people (the witness, his lawyer, and two staffers for the Senate Rules Committee, one Democrat and one Republican), and they had the door closed. Other people forgot they were in there, and they didn't come out for lunch. So it was not until 2:30 EST (an hour after the shooting) that a secretary walked in and told them what had happened. They must have been among the last four people in Washington, DC, to hear the news.

The fact that all that was going on at *precisely* the same time as LBJ was transitioning from a borderline-irrelevant VP that was casually disliked by the President, to suddenly becoming President as the result of a public assassination, is really incredible to think about.
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Johnson was one sleazy sumbitch.
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(10-20-2014 09:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Johnson was one sleazy sumbitch.

Yes, but he used to go skinny dipping in the White House pool with Billy Graham. Unsee that image, if you can.
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Graham and Johnson were close friends and skinny-dipping was more common in that era.

Johnson used to dictate letters to his secretaries and high-ranking aides while sitting on the toilet. (Something that Louis XIV reportedly did, too). Just one of the ways he would emphasize his power over people.
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I was 19 months old, so I don't remember any of it. But from the reading I've done and the documentaries I've seen, that may have been the first time we had clear cut evidence of liberal bias in he media. The MSM crucified Dallas as a "conservative city of hate". The media blamed Dallas for encouraging violence against Kennedy.

Of course, Oswald was no right winger.
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(10-24-2014 06:39 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I was 19 months old, so I don't remember any of it. But from the reading I've done and the documentaries I've seen, that may have been the first time we had clear cut evidence of liberal bias in he media. The MSM crucified Dallas as a "conservative city of hate". The media blamed Dallas for encouraging violence against Kennedy.

Of course, Oswald was no right winger.

I was in high school at the time. I just remember all the girls running out in the hall crying and thinking geez...get a life. as a wife cheating philanderer whose family made their fortune bootlegging, I had to chuckle at all the camelot stuff. the media loved that guy. I liked how he handled the cuban missle crises tho. but drumming up a war in viet nam to support the corrupt leaders there was not a good move
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(10-21-2014 11:23 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Graham and Johnson were close friends and skinny-dipping was more common in that era.

Johnson used to dictate letters to his secretaries and high-ranking aides while sitting on the toilet. (Something that Louis XIV reportedly did, too). Just one of the ways he would emphasize his power over people.

another tidbit: back before the advent of uhf tv, lbj pulled some shenanegans to get a law passed that there be only one tv channel allowed per so many local population. thereby ensuring that his tv station klbj would be the only one in austin for many years..then along came uhf and they had not planned for that so all the other stations that popped up in austin were uhf..so today you have channel 7 and then the likes of 24, 36.42, and so on..
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(11-01-2014 07:13 AM)runamuck Wrote:  I was in high school at the time. I just remember all the girls running out in the hall crying and thinking geez...get a life. as a wife cheating philanderer whose family made their fortune bootlegging, I had to chuckle at all the camelot stuff.
You were thinking that on the day he died?

Quote:the media loved that guy [JFK]
Yes. His presidency occurred at almost the precise moment that television, and television "network news" in particular, became the dominant medium (supplanting radio and newspapers) in how Americans received daily information about what was going on around the country and around the world. And the people who determined the content of television network news were -- almost to a person -- deeply, hopelessly in the tank for John F. Kennedy. A few of them have actually been quite open and candid about it in the years since his death, although these occasional admissions have mostly been lost in the shuffle of history.

Quote:I liked how he handled the cuban missile crises tho.
Letting the Russians have everything they wanted enabled us to avoid a war, yes. Any American-male born between ~1934 and ~1944 should be grateful.

Quote:but drumming up a war in viet nam to support the corrupt leaders there was not a good move
There were two moves that America could have made responsibly and successfully in Vietnam under Kennedy: (1.) complete (or near-complete) withdrawal, and then let the Diem brothers fight it out as best they could with us watching on the sideline, or (2.) apply crushing, overwhelming force and annihilate anyone/anything that got in way. Instead Kennedy (and LBJ, too, of course) tried to split the difference, with catastrophic results that have not fully healed even to this day.

(11-03-2014 08:19 AM)runamuck Wrote:  back before the advent of uhf tv, lbj pulled some shenanegans to get a law passed that there be only one tv channel allowed per so many local population. thereby ensuring that his tv station klbj would be the only one in austin for many years..then along came uhf and they had not planned for that so all the other stations that popped up in austin were uhf..so today you have channel 7 and then the likes of 24, 36.42, and so on..
Advertising on the radio/TV stations (KTBC, KLBJ, etc.) that were owned by Johnson's wife was one of the main ways for interested parties to funnel money into LBJ's pocket. Ethically, it was scarcely any different than Spiro Agnew being handed cash-envelopes in the vice-president's office, but LBJ was never really called-out on it (whereas Agnew had to resign as V.P. and cop a nolo-plea for tax-evasion in federal court). As I mentioned in a comment earlier in this thread, the editors of LIFE magazine were holding a meeting on the morning of Friday, November 22, 1963, to discuss a major series of articles -- the first to be published on Monday, November 25 -- that would detail the ways in which LBJ had accumulated his fortune. The role of the Texas Broadcasting Company was to be a significant part of the expose. Of course, fate intervened.
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(09-29-2014 01:29 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  There's no way that Oswald had the skill set to make the shots.


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Simply not true, he had earned the marksman designation in the Marines.
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Sorry to drag this back up to the surface, But it's been quiet on this board, and I saw some posts that I hadn't replied to, so… 04-cheers

(10-02-2014 02:01 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(10-02-2014 12:59 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Not to mention no one has ever duplicated the shots with the very same weapon.
The same shots and timing were easily duplicated.
My understanding is that some highly trained, highly-skilled marksmen (including the one who, eventually, conceptualized the so-called "Mortal Error" theory of the shooting) have, periodically, been able to duplicate Oswald's speed and accuracy. But they (the duplicates) have not come easily.

(10-03-2014 08:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Oswald was clearly qualified as a marksman and his military record and files on this fact are irrefutable. Oswald was shooting from a protected, comfortable firing position with little stress or outside influence.
The knowledge that he was about to shoot and perhaps kill the President of the United States seems like the sort of thing that would cause stress in a man.

Quote:[JFK], while moving, was not far away and was traveling in a straight line. Independent investigations have corroborated that a shooter, even a relatively inexperienced user, using the exact same rifle, in the exact same time frame, could hit a target in this situation.
True. But Kennedy was hit twice: once in the lower-neck / top-of-the-spine, and once in the head. Even for a Marine, that is remarkable accuracy.

Quote:There was a lone gunman. This is no longer theory, it's fact. The case for Oswald acting alone is just as solid as the cases for Hinkley and Chapman acting alone.
The "Mortal Error" theory acknowledges and encompasses the Lone Gunman: the two shots fired by the Lone Gunman set in motion the "Mortal Error" chain of events.

(10-12-2014 12:44 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(09-26-2014 11:08 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  the combined weight of the JFK and RFK assassinations -- and you can sort of include MLK in there, too, since it happened in the same era -- had a profound (and negative) impact on the people of that generation, IMHO.

Made for a great song.
Not my favorite of the '60s folk/pop phase. But yes those are very memorable lyrics and Dion made powerful use of them.
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