There were over 3,000 in the field house for the Georgia state TAAC tournament game.

(09-26-2014 01:09 PM)ez272 Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 12:04 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:02 AM)ez272 Wrote:  Attendance was at an all time low last year as far as the Jack goes.
There have been 9 games at the Jack with more than 5,000 reported as attendance. All but 2 involved asu. The Baylor game at Barton was a sellout with more than 9,000. That was a legit number too. The Statehouse seated in the 4,000 range. Extra seats were brought in for the TAAC tourney to push it over 4,000.

Newell said the Statehouse seated 5200. There were chairs placed on risers on both sides and later they added some to the end zones. It was very similar to the "extra" court in Hot Springs which they said seated about 1500. We maybe got the Statehouse up to 2500. I clearly remember Ray Rainey, who ran our scoreboard for years, wondering why we announced the attendance at the TAAC Final at about 2500 when the arena appeared full (We had previously announced regular season crowds in the 5000 range). My assumption was the TAAC wanted "real" numbers for revenue purposes and we couldn't just make-up a number for the tournament games.

The box seats (risers) went all the way around the court and seated at least 1,000 . They were used at the Statehouse and barton. That is the reason the Baylor attendance at Barton was larger than any ua game at Barton because with the ualr risers ualr could seat more than ua could. The TAAC championship game with centenary was sold out. Fire Marshall was there and made ualr stop selling tickets. I suspect there were more than 2500 in attendance. If there were 1,000 in the boxes then there were only 1,500 in the bleachers. The ualr field house bleachers seat more than 2,000.

I realize I am somewhat crazy, but I actually counted the seats in the Trojan Fieldhouse when it had bleachers. I didn't believe it seated 2000-2500 like the university claimed. The best I can recall I counted 968 seats- that may be off by a few seats, but it was definitely less than 1000. And that is assuming, everyone is squeezed to together like sardines and no one places a coat next them. Just think back to the bleachers in the fieldhouse or the risers at the Statehouse and compare that to the 5600 seats at Stephens. No way the fieldhouse sat 40% of what Stephens holds, or the Statehouse more than half of what Stephens holds. The Statehouse may have sat as many as the lower bowl at Stephens which may actually seat 2500.

Basketball arena at the pine bluff convention center is much smaller than the Jack and yet it seats 8,500. Why? Because CP sacrificed seating for comfort. He chose extra wide seats.

Well, I must admit that those of us whose seats are becoming wider appreciate that.

And of course the field house does not have end zone seating. There is about 8 feet from the end line to the wall in both end zones but there were people standing in both end zones for the TAAC tourney game. Did you count those as well.

(09-26-2014 01:33 PM)ez272 Wrote:  Basketball arena at the pine bluff convention center is much smaller than the Jack and yet it seats 8,500. Why? Because CP sacrificed seating for comfort. He chose extra wide seats.

8500 is what is listed on some sites like Wikipedia. From the convention center site:

Arena

Offering the space to hold up to 150-8’ x 10’ exhibit booths or 7,620 people (depending on the format of the event), the Pine Bluff Convention Center Arena is perfect for exhibitions, trade shows, banquets, meetings, television productions, concerts, dances, circuses, rodeos, motocross, truck and tractor pulls and sporting events – from arena football to wrestling matches.

I don't know if that is the maximum it can hold for an event such as wrestling or boxing which adds floor seats. The PB Convention Center also is a "bowl", while Stephens only has an upper seating area on one of 4 sides.

(09-26-2014 01:15 PM)ez272 Wrote:  There were over 3,000 in the field house for the Georgia state TAAC tournament game.

That's over 2000 more than could fit in that place. Count the chair backs in there now. While putting in chairbacks likely decreased the seating somewhat, I guarantee you there are not more than 1000 seats in there. It was not just our most recent AD that inflated attendance numbers. Maybe one day, we will fill the arena regularly, and we won't have to guess at attendance numbers (as long as we assume that capacity of 5600 is accurate).

I concede on the fieldhouse. Burn the horse blog lists attendance for that game at 1,342.

(09-26-2014 02:54 PM)ez272 Wrote:  I concede on the fieldhouse. Burn the horse blog lists attendance for that game at 1,342.

I never saw a Trojan men's game there, but 1,342 sounds like a full house for that place. I'm assuming that was before the theater seats were installed. I did see my first Trojan women's game there when Foley came here.

BTH reports the Statehouse held 4,900 that year for basketball and an additional 800 were brought in for the tournament. We all know Slaton hung the moon. If he said it, it must be true. Bonjour.

(09-26-2014 03:06 PM)ez272 Wrote:  BTH reports the Statehouse held 4,900 that year for basketball and an additional 800 were brought in for the tournament. We all know Slaton hung the moon. If he said it, it must be true. Bonjour.

Don't know how many the Statehouse seated, but do remember it being sold out on several occasions. Got there several times and as I was going down the escalator, people were coming up saying it was sold out. So if they sold out the Trojan Field House for the TAAC tournament at least one time, and the Statehouse several times, along with Barton several times, they've yet to do it one time at the Jack. Of course they obviously never sold out Alltel, but I don't even think the hogs have done that.

(09-26-2014 03:33 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 03:06 PM)ez272 Wrote:  BTH reports the Statehouse held 4,900 that year for basketball and an additional 800 were brought in for the tournament. We all know Slaton hung the moon. If he said it, it must be true. Bonjour.

Don't know how many the Statehouse seated, but do remember it being sold out on several occasions. Got there several times and as I was going down the escalator, people were coming up saying it was sold out. So if they sold out the Trojan Field House for the TAAC tournament at least one time, and the Statehouse several times, along with Barton several times, they've yet to do it one time at the Jack. Of course they obviously never sold out Alltel, but I don't even think the hogs have done that.

Jeff was in elementary school in Missouri when Newell was here. He certainly was not a sports writer or living in Arkansas. I'm sure any figures he got where directly from Coach Newell when he wrote his book about the Championship season. Wow, so according to Newell that Statehouse, with a few rows of risers holding chairs, held more than Stephens. I wonder why attendance was announced at 2500 or so for the championship game.

(09-26-2014 03:47 PM)mjs Wrote:  Jeff was in elementary school in Missouri when Newell was here. He certainly was not a sports writer or living in Arkansas. I'm sure any figures he got where directly from Coach Newell when he wrote his book about the Championship season. Wow, so according to Newell that Statehouse, with a few rows of risers holding chairs, held more than Stephens. I wonder why attendance was announced at 2500 or so for the championship game.

I have no idea what the Statehouse seated, but you could bet your sweet ass that Mickey was gonna have a come back on anything Mike Newell said or did. I wonder if he hated Newell as much when he was here coaching exciting, winning basketball as he seems to now? Wonder what Newell did to make him dislike him as much as he evidently does? Maybe he's like Wally small, when a coach is here and winning, he likes him, then when he's gone, he's got no use for him. Well no, he can't be like Wally, Mickey still loves Platt(a loser)and you know he won't stop liking his buddy( very mediocre) when he's gone, so it must be something Newell did that we don't know about. Would be interesting to know though.

I don't believe Mickey hates Mike Newell. I think the problem was making Mike both the coach and AD. He was a very good coach, but obviously not a great administrator. And Mickey still recalls the state of the program back in the day when he had to get on the phone and sell tickets to guys like me to keep the program afloat. Plus we had some "thug" issues, and I believe a .09 grade average for the team when Newell left. So as much as I enjoyed the games when Newell coached, there were certainly issues with the program which we haven't had in years. And those of us who loved the games when Mike was the coach, we have to face the facts that he never accomplished anything noteworthy after he left here. Does that mean I'm happy with our on court performance in recent years? No. I think we can do better.
Hopefully a new AD will come in with fresh ideas and the temperament to listen to the loyal supporters and try and create an atmosphere that is both fan friendly and successful on the court. There is no question this will be a year in which we have to move forward with the program, and I believe our talent will enable us to do so if the players are utilized properly.
That will be the coach's challenge. If he meets it, great. If he doesn't, well, we'll just have to see.

I actually liked Mike a lot. He was always very nice to me, my wife, and even my young son. I just don't think he walked on water and claiming we regularly drew big crowd and he was coach is simply revisionist history.

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I cannot recall ever saying anything terrible about Mike. Yes he exaggerated our attendance numbers. Nothing terrible about that. He was a great promoter and part of what he did was try to make ua LR the thing to do in Little Rock. Pretty much every ad, except for Rick mello,, has done the same thing with regard to the attendance numbers.
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(09-26-2014 12:13 AM)PTJR Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 10:14 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 09:52 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 08:43 PM)mjs Wrote:  Attendance has generally been bad since I moved to Little Rock. The only year we actually had good attendance was when the chancellor blackmailed Little Rock to buy tickets or shut the program. Sold 5200 season tickets at 75 bucks each- so we had some good crowds that next season. But, unlike Dr. J, most folks didn't renew and the next year we were back to about where we started before the threats and blackmail. Mike's "charisma" brought attention to the program, but I doubt our revenue was a quarter of what it is now. Ticket giveaways, 75 dollar season tickets, free groceries, free trucks, etc. did occasionally bring in some crowds, just not enough money to keep the program solvent. However, I am glad we seem to be heading in the direction of trying to do thinks to promote the program.

Sure got way more for your money with the $75 dollar tickets than with the high prices of today, but the $75 was worth a lot more then than it would be today of course. Remember inflation. Plus we didn't have 15 assistant and associate AD's then, and If I remember hearing correctly someone telling me that Newell was making $60,000 as coach and AD. You'd probably know more about that than I, since I only went to games. Didn't hob nob with the people in the program. Now we just get the business men's money. Back then, Affiliated Foods gave groceries and bologna and hot dogs, and the fans got to enjoy it. Now days the fans don't see anything like that. Yea, I enjoyed my time as a fan much more back then.

I have to agree I really enjoyed the free hot dogs and bologna sandwiches before the games and the camaraderie associated with it. Not sure we can ever get that totally back, but I'm hopeful the Tip-In Club will be given the opportunity to try with a new AD. Don't know what Newell made salary-wise, but if 60K is right, inflation has had much less effect on our coaching salaries than on our ticket prices.

Can we all just pretty much agree that attendance at UALR games has not been what it has been in the past since we moved into the Jack? And that it is not even near what it could or should be with some promotion? I think even MJS and LRTrojan could agree on that.

And by the way, has someone kidnapped Ynocpirt since Peterson resigned in disgrace?

His password got lost. I have been busy and forgot to het him back on the board i will send the emails today.

I need to call him tonight and help him walk through it.


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