(09-25-2014 04:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 03:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  I'm going to say this again because it's worth saying. The leadership of the old big east was so freaking stupid. Could you imagine 12 teams instead of 8? Growing four extra teams from 05-2012 would've been a big boost imo. Should've kicked the C7 to the curb. Still would've been a great basketball conference without them.

Of course, that's coming from a fan of a school that was snubbed by the C7 and OBE leadership every time they had the chance.

Water under the bridge. That Big East would still have been raided.

The AAC has a great chance and should grow to be the same thing the Big East was the 6th most valuable league and separate itself more from the lower leagues

You're right, no use dwelling. Just crappy to think that we could have an extra 4 teams in the conference who had a significant amount of time to grow their program. I know we would've really benefited.

We have to win this access bowl a few years in a row...show recruits that we're teams they want to play for. Grow fan bases, etc..

(09-25-2014 03:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  I'm going to say this again because it's worth saying. The leadership of the old big east was so freaking stupid. Could you imagine 12 teams instead of 8? Growing four extra teams from 05-2012 would've been a big boost imo. Should've kicked the C7 to the curb. Still would've been a great basketball conference without them.

Of course, that's coming from a fan of a school that was snubbed by the C7 and OBE leadership every time they had the chance.

You are correct. They knew the BCS contract was thru the 2013 season and they were Gauranteed access. They couldve picked up 4 schools and given them the ability to play several years under the BCS banner. I guess they didn't want to split the money they were making but they weren't thinking of the future, only the present.

This could have possibly allowed the BE/American to remain an auto conference. Possibly, so don't go off on a tirade. At the very minimum it would have allowed schools like ECU to grow under the BCS banner for a few years.

They let the C7 schools block ECU and whoever else and now they are even part of the conference. Football was always driving the bus and they never figured it out until it was too late. Too bad.

Still glad to be in the American now just would have loved to be in the BE several years ago. I really believe things could've been different for the BE if they had been more aggressive adding football teams and divesting the non-football teams years ago.

(09-25-2014 01:17 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 01:06 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  i would say yes because navy ads more appeal and prestige to the league, and if we win the access bowl game then maybe p6 status

Why would ESPN/CBS/et al voluntarily pay more for our rights?

If it was just about winning post season games the old BigEast would have held it's own, especially against the ACC where we did a vastly better job in BCS games and most head-to-head match ups.

C-USA said the same thing about Army that didn't turn them into a BCS conference.

this.

(09-25-2014 01:20 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 01:17 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 01:06 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  i would say yes because navy ads more appeal and prestige to the league, and if we win the access bowl game then maybe p6 status

Why would ESPN/CBS/et al voluntarily pay more for our rights?

If it was just about winning post season games the old BigEast would have held it's own, especially against the ACC where we did a vastly better job in BCS games and most head-to-head match ups.

C-USA said the same thing about Army that didn't turn them into a BCS conference.

What do people mean by P6 status? I keep seeing this over and over and I don't think anybody actually has a clue what they're saying to be honest. I mean, we're probably a top 3 or 4 basketball league and arguably the top G5 football league if you look at the top (which is all that really matters anyway). By default that makes us the #6 but doesn't mean we're Power 6 since we don't get the same voting weight, contract bowls or TV deals. Is that all going to magically change when Navy joins? I seriously doubt it.

+1

With or without Navy and BYU we would be P6 In Name Only...

The best opportunity I see to improve our status if for the playoffs to expand and for the AAC to have our champion in as an automatic bid. Of course, that would require playoffs to expand to 16. This way we can prove it on the field ...and eventually we may get more traction on TV contracts and power structure. Lots of ifs....

All the teams that pissed off ESPN got invites to p5 conferences. ESPN had it's hand in realignment.

(09-25-2014 03:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  I'm going to say this again because it's worth saying. The leadership of the old big east was so freaking stupid. Could you imagine 12 teams instead of 8? Growing four extra teams from 05-2012 would've been a big boost imo. Should've kicked the C7 to the curb. Still would've been a great basketball conference without them.

Of course, that's coming from a fan of a school that was snubbed by the C7 and OBE leadership every time they had the chance.

I know it’s popular to play revisionist history nowadays, but adding 4 teams to the old BigEast would NOT have prevented the ACC from raiding and more importantly prevented Big East teams from wanting to leave.

However, you are correct that the old leadership did screw the old BigEast but it wasn’t the popular targets of Genshaft and commissioners. Instead it was Pitt’s Chancellor who was insisted that the BigEast turndown ESPN’s initial contract offer while he was talking to the ACC. It was also the basketball schools Presidents that didn’t want to lose power and forced the conference into the compromise candidate that was Villanova. This all happened before Genshaft took over as Big East Chair.

If you guys doubt what I am saying, take Genshaft out of the equation and read comments from Louisville’s Tom Jurich who was furious that he was lied to by the ‘old guard’. Jurich is as an honorable AD that you can find in the business but not afraid to tell it like it is. He NEVER pinned the blame on commish or Genshaft. Once Miami, VPI and BC left in 2003…the remaining old guard football schools were never going to commit to a stable Big East. Which is ironic b/c the same schools makeup most of the new ACC…and all bow at the Altars of Chapel Hill and Durham…and occasional Tallahassee.

Bottom line: the old BE couldn't add football schools b/c of the delicate power balance between football/basketball schools AND schools like Pitt, Cuse, Rutgers and WVU lied through their teeth and were NEVER interested...regardless of the TV contract…in remaining in the Big East.

The most we can hope for is at the 3 year look in we do an early extension with a raise for years. I for one don't see us doing more than a double at that.

(09-25-2014 05:30 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The most we can hope for is at the 3 year look in we do an early extension with a raise for years. I for one don't see us doing more than a double at that.

Most likely scenario.

I do think trading exposure for $$ early on will pay off. Exposure allows us to prove our value. IF we are putting up good ratings that is more leverage for Aresco when we renegotiate. He'll also have Navy on board and for the same reasons its why he continues to work BYU. Aresco is playing the best hand he can. Its completely up to us to help the cause by tuning in and winning. More eyeballs = more $ for ads = more money for us.

I think that times are bit different now and things could work out better for the AAC vs the Big East. The Big East, while disrespected, was a "power" conference, one of 6. The AAC is essentially a demoted Big East, but never the less retains some of that aura. Over the last 15 years the advent of social media has resulted in exponential growth/power of the hype machine, the what-have-you-done-lately defines us more than ever. Not to mention the changes in NCAA governance.

To put this another way, in this time of change (NCAA), we've got to maximize our success in both major sports right now and for the next several years (pre contract renegotiation). With the amount of exposure (through ESPN) and the ability to garner new levels of publicity (social medias), make so much noise they cannot ignore you.

(09-25-2014 01:06 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  i would say yes because navy ads more appeal and prestige to the league, and if we win the access bowl game then maybe p6 status

Do the math, Stookey. If the entire AAC is getting $18 million a year now, and adding Navy could increase that by $78 million to a total of $96 million per year, then they would have been invited to a power conference a long time ago. I don't think ESPN would pay that much for Oklahoma.