which would you rather have: A MISDEMEANOR that's going to be erased, or a FELONY of MALICIOUS DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY OVER $100 in Potato Head Land?!

(09-25-2014 10:44 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  which would you rather have: A MISDEMEANOR that's going to be erased, or a FELONY of MALICIOUS DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY OVER $100 in Potato Head Land?!

lol

I'm sure Worstin will be announcing disciplinary action against the parties responsible any minute now. Stay tuned.

Thanks.

Actually, WMU paid Idaho $500. By the way, UI is in Palouse Wheat Country. Potato Head Land is mainly in the south along the Snake River Plain.

(09-25-2014 04:32 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 10:44 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  which would you rather have: A MISDEMEANOR that's going to be erased, or a FELONY of MALICIOUS DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY OVER $100 in Potato Head Land?!

lol

I'm sure Worstin will be announcing disciplinary action against the parties responsible any minute now. Stay tuned.

Thanks.

It was not a purposeful act. Coach was crowd surfing and his heel hit the ceiling tile. Accidents happen.

(09-25-2014 07:21 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  Actually, WMU paid Idaho $500 ("social conviction?"). By the way, UI is in Palouse Wheat Country. Potato Head Land is mainly in the south along the Snake River Plain. (Thanks for educating me, Okie. It's all "mashed" or "kneaded" to me, but all-in-all, it's nice to be educated on such subjects.

(09-25-2014 07:53 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:32 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 10:44 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  which would you rather have: A MISDEMEANOR that's going to be erased, or a FELONY of MALICIOUS DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY OVER $100 in Potato Head Land?!

lol

I'm sure Worstin will be announcing disciplinary action against the parties responsible any minute now. Stay tuned.

Thanks.

It was not a purposeful act. Coach was crowd surfing and his heel hit the ceiling tile. Accidents happen.

Good one, 09! Is that why you stuttered?

Quote:which would you rather have: A MISDEMEANOR that's going to be erased, or a FELONY of MALICIOUS DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY OVER $100 in Potato Head Land?!

It was $500, and wasn't a felony of malicious destruction - lol. I'm sure over-priced, just like in hotels if you break a soap dish. That locker room in Idaho is very small -- they were packed in like sardines. Accidently breaking a few things in a cramped locker room is different than...

... a FELONY that Rawls faces. Yes, a FELONY -- but also a misdemeanor by name in the charge (and to go to a jail if/when sentenced instead of a prison), but also felony implied also in the name ("high court"), by procedure, and what shows up on your Record.

A Felony: A crime with a maximum imprisonment of more than 1 year.

If the charge sticks (fails probation) -- it will show up on his record as a FELONY.

It's both, in the screwed up conflicting laws, when you have a high-court (felony) misdemeanor.

But all that's moot if he goes thru his probation -- it will be Nothing, in the future.

And for the record: 2 WMU players didn't leave a store with a cart full of booze (chickened out), while a former/non-player did walk out with some goods, but left it outside and didn't leave the area with it. Both players aren't going to play for WMU. Of course, both aren't as good as Rawls though, either - lol.

But all that's moot if he goes thru his probation -- it will be Nothing, in the future.



Key, and most relevant sentence in your text. Charged as a FELONY, pleading to a MISDEMEANOR. Court and police files will be erased.
Merely trying to point out the absurdity of both cases --- $33.77 and charged with three felonies vs. $500 of malicious destruction of personal property (which is also a FELONY) and no charges. WTF is wrong with this picture? Rawls merely placed the purse on the ground --- stupid, yes. Felonious, no. And remember, he was still a scUMmy student when this occurred. Your psychotic friend (you know who), is beyond redemption. He's even being chided by posters from other schools. He really has a severe illness with regard to all things CMU. I enjoy the banter with other BROwNCOwS, but this guy is totally SICK!

My legit original point was that a High-Court Misdemeanor IS a Felony on-record. That's a plain Fact. And it's processed in the same way, and fits the definition of a Felony (over 1 year max sentence).

With that said, it's like this analogy: Ever see a guy and a girl seeing each other forever? He's spent time with her kids, they've gone on trips together with her kids, go out every weekend, talk and hang out during the week some... but they say they're "merely" Friends (but admittedly more than friends) -- and that's all they want to call it?

Calling a High-Court Misdemeanor "just a misdemeanor" is the same thing. It's not just a misdemeanor. Just as those two aren't merely Friends but more than friends. You are what you do -- they're GF/BF whether they want to use that term or not. In this case, yes, it's a misdemeanor -- but it shows up on your record as a Felony, and you go through the exact Felony Processes & Courts.

Just as it'd be inaccurate to leave it Just as a Felony -- it'd be inaccurate to leave it Just as a Misdemeanor. The only clear picture of high-court misdemeanors is to see it as a Hybrid, Tranny, etc.

Quote:Merely trying to point out the absurdity of both cases --- $33.77 and charged with three felonies vs. $500 of malicious destruction of personal property (which is also a FELONY) and no charges. WTF is wrong with this picture?

No, he didn't take $33.77. He (and/or his gang of people) STOLE a purse from someone, including credit cards, etc. Leaving it merely at "$33.77" as "all that was missing" is extremely inaccurate.

There is no charge of Malicious Destruction toward WMU. At all. There are no claims by the Idaho Athletic Dept that there was Malicious Destruction and/or that WMU should be charged with Malicious Destruction. There was $500 charged in money to WMU for damages, and I can assure you at such a nice round number, that's an over-estimation, but, that's what a team gets for being sloppy. A COMPLETELY different ethical Situation than stealing a woman's purse.

If I have a party and at the end, I realize there's $100 in various crap broken, knocked over, spilled on for cleaning, etc that did Not have to happen ... was I wronged worse than some dude stealing my wallet (when I had cash, credit cards, license, etc)? Nope. They're too different types of situations. Apples & Oranges.

(09-26-2014 08:42 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  There is no charge of Malicious Destruction toward WMU. At all. There are no claims by the Idaho Athletic Dept that there was Malicious Destruction and/or that WMU should be charged with Malicious Destruction. There was $500 charged in money to WMU for damages, and I can assure you at such a nice round number, that's an over-estimation, but, that's what a team gets for being sloppy.

lol

conjecture
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the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

Now, tell the class about the discipline peejay levied against the parties responsible for damaging Idaho's locker room. I eagerly await your response.

Thanks.

Quote:the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

Actually, let's be fair: Don't You have the burden of proof that it wasn't mere damages, but a FELONY of MALICIOUS DESTRUCTION? You do.

For the record, I actually defended Rawls (on our boards) against a lawyer -- saying that no, it's not purely a Felony, but yes, a misdemeanor (hybrid; would be false to say it's a straight-up Felony which it's not).

Quote: Now, tell the class about the discipline peejay levied against the parties responsible for damaging Idaho's locker room. I eagerly await your response.

The whole team. A group thing. Heck, with PJ's energy, he was probably bouncing around, knocking things over. :)

Point being, don't follow the looks-official-but-fan/blog-based Facebook page as Idaho's official page. It's not (I say that because at first I thought one was at first when fan-allegations came out at first). Idaho saw notably above-par issues and asked for $500, in which WMU was most likely over-the-top due to winning a game -- and paid it and everyone's happy.

Again, there was nothing CLOSE to a charge of any criminal activity. Comparing the two is silly. No stealing or robbing anyone. More like frat boys being rowdy at a party/locker room. To say WMU is sloppy & careless as a visiting team -- and should have heads shaken at? OK. But to say it's some Criminal issue is silly.

(09-26-2014 08:42 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  My legit original point was that a High-Court Misdemeanor IS a Felony on-record. That's a plain Fact. And it's processed in the same way, and fits the definition of a Felony (over 1 year max sentence).

With that said, it's like this analogy: Ever see a guy and a girl seeing each other forever? He's spent time with her kids, they've gone on trips together with her kids, go out every weekend, talk and hang out during the week some... but they say they're "merely" Friends (but admittedly more than friends) -- and that's all they want to call it?

Calling a High-Court Misdemeanor "just a misdemeanor" is the same thing. It's not just a misdemeanor. Just as those two aren't merely Friends but more than friends. You are what you do -- they're GF/BF whether they want to use that term or not. In this case, yes, it's a misdemeanor -- but it shows up on your record as a Felony, and you go through the exact Felony Processes & Courts.

Just as it'd be inaccurate to leave it Just as a Felony -- it'd be inaccurate to leave it Just as a Misdemeanor. The only clear picture of high-court misdemeanors is to see it as a Hybrid, Tranny, etc.

Quote:Merely trying to point out the absurdity of both cases --- $33.77 and charged with three felonies vs. $500 of malicious destruction of personal property (which is also a FELONY) and no charges. WTF is wrong with this picture?

No, he didn't take $33.77. He (and/or his gang of people) STOLE a purse from someone, including credit cards, etc. Leaving it merely at "$33.77" as "all that was missing" is extremely inaccurate.

There is no charge of Malicious Destruction toward WMU. At all. There are no claims by the Idaho Athletic Dept that there was Malicious Destruction and/or that WMU should be charged with Malicious Destruction. There was $500 charged in money to WMU for damages, and I can assure you at such a nice round number, that's an over-estimation, but, that's what a team gets for being sloppy. A COMPLETELY different ethical Situation than stealing a woman's purse.

If I have a party and at the end, I realize there's $100 in various crap broken, knocked over, spilled on for cleaning, etc that did Not have to happen ... was I wronged worse than some dude stealing my wallet (when I had cash, credit cards, license, etc)? Nope. They're too different types of situations. Apples & Oranges.

You can call him a "Felon" all you want, but in the end it will be "nothing" as you so clearly pointed out. I prefer just to call him and his "friends" STUPID, which they are. He should not be on our team. The social stigma alone will be brutal as long as he is with the team. Of course, if Enos loses tonight, it's all moot---his ass (Enos) will be as close to gone and yet still be here physically! I can easily see us finishing fourth in the West (if not lower). Good luck against the Turkey Dicks!

Quote:You can call him a "Felon" all you want, but in the end it will be "nothing" as you so clearly pointed out.

True. It's an interim Felony / Misdemeanor. But yes, it'd be like calling an interim coach "The Head Coach". You're not going to put his picture up on the wall.

Quote:I prefer just to call him and his "friends" STUPID, which they are. He should not be on our team.

I agree. I think the True Comparison to WMU would not be the locker-room mess they left. That's apples & oranges. As I pointed out in the WMU boards, it's the two WMU players (with a former/non-player) who went to Walmart and were charged with attempted theft (even though the two players didn't even leave the store with their cart full of booze).

The issue was that they didn't tell the coach they had a warrant (and got involved with shinanigans with the law). And yet, like Rawls, they played the first game. IMO, that's the biggest issue and becomes more than "oh, the court will punish, we won't". We haven't played them. After our 1-11 season, it'd be idiotic if we did + they aren't stars that our team is resting on.

I can't blame Enos terribly for playing Rawls... but CMU does deserve heavy criticism for doing so. CMU going from pasting Purdue to losing to Kansas without him & Davis -- wow. I can understand that you either sit him out the Entire year *OR* you mine as well throw him in against Toledo. With Enos being on the hot seat and fans wanting more -- I'm not shocked. Only midly surprised, if anything.

However, losing to Toledo and kept at arms-length the entire game.... makes it all seem not worth it. But to be fair, Enos isn't going to be affected either way If going under .500 with or without Rawls. He'll be tossed regardless, IMO -- so if I was his advisor, I would say "Play Rawls". Better chance at going to a bowl -- and to win one would keep his job. Basically, he doubled down in a very low-risk situation. :)