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(09-25-2014 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...rt-n210646

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The Grand Jury did not indict the officer. Weren't you just on this board saying you support the law if a Grand Jury didn't indict the Ferguson officer?
Surely you aren't going to change your mind in just a day?

So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

One for the good guys! Nothing to see here ,...move along.


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(09-25-2014 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...rt-n210646

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You could have ended this with a few round house kicks and a rising punch.

(09-25-2014 12:40 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...rt-n210646

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The Grand Jury did not indict the officer. Weren't you just on this board saying you support the law if a Grand Jury didn't indict the Ferguson officer?
Surely you aren't going to change your mind in just a day?

Wow. You got all that from " Judge for yourself?"

Me thinks you project too much.

(09-25-2014 04:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

You can tell that he did not hear the police. He was probably in his own little world. Stupid maybe, but certainly not a logical ending. The cop massively over reacted on this one, and I for certain would be crying foul if my son got shot and killed in this manner.

That's crazy.. Black people don't shop at Walmart..

(09-25-2014 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...rt-n210646

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Gee, I thought only whites were getting shot

(09-25-2014 11:14 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

You can tell that he did not hear the police. He was probably in his own little world. Stupid maybe, but certainly not a logical ending. The cop massively over reacted on this one, and I for certain would be crying foul if my son got shot and killed in this manner.

Seeing the video, things played out exactly as the newspaper descriptions had them.

This is a huge overreaction, by the WalMart staff and the cops. It is criminal negligence. These cops should be on trial, not back at their jobs.

And WalMart should be held liable too. If they don't want someone w/ one of their products loose in the store, then there should be a cash register and bag/box area to seal up all such merchandise.

This is something all cons should be infuriated about: an overreaching police state that targets innocent citizens.

It's hard to tell what is happening without the audio but it looks like the guy just turns the corner and shoots him dead without warning him.

(09-25-2014 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:14 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

You can tell that he did not hear the police. He was probably in his own little world. Stupid maybe, but certainly not a logical ending. The cop massively over reacted on this one, and I for certain would be crying foul if my son got shot and killed in this manner.

Seeing the video, things played out exactly as the newspaper descriptions had them.

This is a huge overreaction, by the WalMart staff and the cops. It is criminal negligence. These cops should be on trial, not back at their jobs.

And WalMart should be held liable too. If they don't want someone w/ one of their products loose in the store, then there should be a cash register and bag/box area to seal up all such merchandise.

This is something all cons should be infuriated about: an overreaching police state that targets innocent citizens.

He looks suspicious in that video. He should have gotten one of those carts with the sticky wheels and put the unloaded gun into.

(09-25-2014 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Seeing the video, things played out exactly as the newspaper descriptions had them.

This is a huge overreaction, by the WalMart staff and the cops. It is criminal negligence. These cops should be on trial, not back at their jobs.

And WalMart should be held liable too. If they don't want someone w/ one of their products loose in the store, then there should be a cash register and bag/box area to seal up all such merchandise.

This is something all cons should be infuriated about: an overreaching police state that targets innocent citizens.

Fully agree. This happened in my home town, and the officer is question is responsible for the only 2 shootings in this history of the Beavercreek police department.

This whole "shoot first and ask questions later" attitude has got to go. The officer never gave the suspect a chance to put his weapon down. There was 1 to 2 seconds between the time that the officer spotted the kid at the end of the aisle and the time he shot. The kid then ran around the corner before coming back on the ground unarmed (at least he didn't get shot again). Unfortunately the damage had already been done.

The Beavercreek Police Department has now asked the FBI to come in and do its own investigation into the situation. This is *AFTER* their officers were not charged. It could be a PR stunt, but I believe that the police has recognized that, while they didn't break any laws, their policies are incorrect (their policies are probably what is accepted by 99% of all police departments across the country).

What scares me is that I can remember being a teenager and walking into stores with my friends and just grabbing a football and tossing it around the store while we were shopping. Could very easily have been a pellet gun just walking around goofing off. Is that enough now to have an "active shooter" situation and to be killed over it? I certainly hope that most people don't believe that.

The Zimmerman Effect

(09-25-2014 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's hard to tell what is happening without the audio but it looks like the guy just turns the corner and shoots him dead without warning him.

Agreed. Or shot him as he was warning him so he could say he did it.

I don't think it is an issue of race, however. I think it is just the work of a cop who has been trained incorrectly. Supposedly he went through active shooter training 2 weeks before this and the reason the grand jury didn't indict is because he followed the training perfectly.

I hope the family gets a lot of money, that the insurance companies force police departments around the country to change their policies and training and that all retail stores get smart about having something just sitting out that could possibly create more situations like this.

In Ohio it is not illegal to open carry, so even if the gun was a deadly weapon he was shot illegally. He had not fired it in the store at any person or any thing, he had walked around like an idiot with it.

(09-25-2014 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The Zimmerman Effect

And Fit's infatuation with George Zimmerman continues.

(09-25-2014 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:14 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

You can tell that he did not hear the police. He was probably in his own little world. Stupid maybe, but certainly not a logical ending. The cop massively over reacted on this one, and I for certain would be crying foul if my son got shot and killed in this manner.

Seeing the video, things played out exactly as the newspaper descriptions had them.

This is a huge overreaction, by the WalMart staff and the cops. It is criminal negligence. These cops should be on trial, not back at their jobs.

And WalMart should be held liable too. If they don't want someone w/ one of their products loose in the store, then there should be a cash register and bag/box area to seal up all such merchandise.

This is something all cons should be infuriated about: an overreaching police state that targets innocent citizens.

Can't agree. That's not what a police state is. These are private entities. In a police state, you have restrictions like Marshal law and roaming patrols.

This is Wal Mart

(09-25-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:14 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

You can tell that he did not hear the police. He was probably in his own little world. Stupid maybe, but certainly not a logical ending. The cop massively over reacted on this one, and I for certain would be crying foul if my son got shot and killed in this manner.

Seeing the video, things played out exactly as the newspaper descriptions had them.

This is a huge overreaction, by the WalMart staff and the cops. It is criminal negligence. These cops should be on trial, not back at their jobs.

And WalMart should be held liable too. If they don't want someone w/ one of their products loose in the store, then there should be a cash register and bag/box area to seal up all such merchandise.

This is something all cons should be infuriated about: an overreaching police state that targets innocent citizens.

Can't agree. That's not what a police state is. These are private entities. In a police state, you have restrictions like Marshal law and roaming patrols.

This is Wal Mart

What does that have to do with it? It's not the store in question, it's the unusual use of force.

(09-25-2014 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:14 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So why was He pointing gun at shoppers and not putting gun down when told ? Seems logical ending to Me.

You can tell that he did not hear the police. He was probably in his own little world. Stupid maybe, but certainly not a logical ending. The cop massively over reacted on this one, and I for certain would be crying foul if my son got shot and killed in this manner.

Seeing the video, things played out exactly as the newspaper descriptions had them.

This is a huge overreaction, by the WalMart staff and the cops. It is criminal negligence. These cops should be on trial, not back at their jobs.

And WalMart should be held liable too. If they don't want someone w/ one of their products loose in the store, then there should be a cash register and bag/box area to seal up all such merchandise.

This is something all cons should be infuriated about: an overreaching police state that targets innocent citizens.

Can't agree. That's not what a police state is. These are private entities. In a police state, you have restrictions like Marshal law and roaming patrols.

This is Wal Mart

What does that have to do with it? It's not the store in question, it's the unusual use of force.

These are not federal officers and that is not your private residence.

Trust me, you'd know it if we were living in a police state.


In the video, the guy is clearly walking around pointing a gun like he is in combat. There is plenty of blame to go around here.

So what had happened if the weapon was real? 1 or 2 seconds is long enough to raise the weapon and shoot at the officers. He should of complied as soon as the officers got there. Hell, he should of gotten another rifle that was in a box.