(09-28-2014 07:23 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 06:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Blacks have a lot of killing to do in order to catch up with whites.

As long as they stick to killing other blacks, go for it.

That's about as racist as you can get. How about "as long as they stick to killing violent criminals, go for it."

I've noticed the leftist, "cry racism", folks on here have suddenly become quiet as soon a Hambone brought in some "math is hard" numbers that refute that racism of whites against blacks is the problem they claim.

Is there a big problem in the urban black communities with homicides - Hell yes - they're killing each other at alarming rates. However, it's a problem from within - they're killing each other. Not Whitey looking for reasons to shoot at black people - and it's not just because they are labeled as poor. The vast majority of poor folks in this country be they black, white, hispanic, whatever don't shoot each other.

The urban black communities will never stop the killing of their young men until THAT community decides they've had enough and stop it from within.

Just the way it is.................................

Those communities do not exist within a vacuum, and considering the motives for most murders, direct acts of violence aren't a particularly useful metric for measuring societal racism.

Obviously BHO does not care about this Black Issue. Nor Does Holder, Jesse or Al. Why?

(09-29-2014 08:58 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 07:23 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 06:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Blacks have a lot of killing to do in order to catch up with whites.

As long as they stick to killing other blacks, go for it.

That's about as racist as you can get. How about "as long as they stick to killing violent criminals, go for it."

We get real racist up in here.

(09-29-2014 09:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Those communities do not exist within a vacuum, and considering the motives for most murders, direct acts of violence aren't a particularly useful metric for measuring societal racism.

The fact is that young black males are killing each other at an alarming rate. Period.

What other made up metric do you want to use for measuring "societal racism"?

"Societal Racism" - another term for "I can find something racist in everything", watch how I do it. Hell of a way to fan the flames.

(09-29-2014 10:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  The fact is that young black males are killing each other at an alarming rate. Period.

What other made up metric do you want to use for measuring "societal racism"?

"Societal Racism" - another term for "I can find something racist in everything", watch how I do it. Hell of a way to fan the flames.

Societal racism doesn't cause killings.

Societal racism is what happens when a small business owner only hires people of his own race.

The black on black killings is certainly an issue within their own neighborhoods. That being said, much of that is because of the "war on drugs" and the underground dealing that goes on. Many poor people see it as a "get rich quick" scheme... not recognizing that once you are in, there is little to no getting out.

The issue is that the suburban people who use the products (of which there are a lot of people in those communities) do not want it to be sold in their city. They drive downtown and pick it up there, thus keeping the dealing in the inner city. When turf wars pop up it is always going to be in the inner city.

You take the big money out of drugs and we'll see what happens to these killings. That black market is the real cause of the killings.

(09-29-2014 10:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 09:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Those communities do not exist within a vacuum, and considering the motives for most murders, direct acts of violence aren't a particularly useful metric for measuring societal racism.

The fact is that young black males are killing each other at an alarming rate. Period.

What other made up metric do you want to use for measuring "societal racism"?

"Societal Racism" - another term for "I can find something racist in everything", watch how I do it. Hell of a way to fan the flames.

I'm not arguing that fact or that it isn't alarming, it certainly is. You just tried to conflate those rates to support evidence of racism, and that's ludicrous. Stick to the topic at hand, and stop making wildly irrelevant subsequent statements.

(09-29-2014 10:49 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 10:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 09:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Those communities do not exist within a vacuum, and considering the motives for most murders, direct acts of violence aren't a particularly useful metric for measuring societal racism.

The fact is that young black males are killing each other at an alarming rate. Period.

What other made up metric do you want to use for measuring "societal racism"?

"Societal Racism" - another term for "I can find something racist in everything", watch how I do it. Hell of a way to fan the flames.

I'm not arguing that fact or that it isn't alarming, it certainly is. You just tried to conflate those rates to support evidence of racism, and that's ludicrous. Stick to the topic at hand, and stop making wildly irrelevant subsequent statements.

My point from the beginning is that the biggest and worst problems in the black community aren't whites or cops shooting black people or the racism of white people, it's blacks shooting each other.

IMO, the 1st thing necessary to solving the biggest problems are a recognition of what the biggest problems are and go from there.

A second death may have resulted from the Walmart incident.

http://danaloeschradio.com/anti-gun-hyst...two-deaths

And here's an interview w/ the douche who called 911. Looking a lot like a leftist hipster (wannabe) IMO.

http://www.whio.com/videos/news/man-who-...to/vCmptw/

(09-30-2014 04:03 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  And here's an interview w/ the douche who called 911. Looking a lot like a leftist hipster (wannabe) IMO.

I don't know, this doesn't seem to be very leftist hipsterish. Unless, of course, it was shared ironically (which is a definite possibility).

Quote:One month later, Ritchie shared with his friends a story from the Tea Party News Network about a group of black men assaulting a white couple in Missouri. The story condemned President Barack Obama and Eric Holder, the attorney general, for ignoring the attack after speaking publicly about the killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, in Ferguson, Missouri, last month. It described them as “race hustlers”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/se...n-crawford

(09-29-2014 09:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Those communities do not exist within a vacuum, and considering the motives for most murders, direct acts of violence aren't a particularly useful metric for measuring societal racism.

That was precisely my point and you argued with me about it. If racism isn't part of the issue, then why are we discussing the race of the person shot or the shooters at the Wal-mart? Why does Zimmerman have anything to do with the discussion? The whole reason I said what I did is because contrary to statements that were being made, the facts don't support the idea that racism has anything to do with MOST deaths.

As I demonstrated (and I haven't seen anyone refute yet) it isn't merely about being poor either.... because the total number of blacks vs whites killed is significant, but the number of poor from each community are similar.

Now it MAY have to do with WHERE these people are poor... by that I am of the opinion that a majority of poor black people live in the inner city while a majority of poor white people live in the country.... and city living, combined with poverty MAY be a cause (it makes logical sense to me but I can't quantify it) for greater violence...

but that isn't a racial issue... though perhaps the REASON why black people seem to prefer urban centers (if that is the case) might be political, and THAT might be racial. Which of the two parties seems to want to encourage poor black people to live in urban city centers?