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I feel for those swim parents. At the pool by 7am on a Saturday for a meet that lasts until after lunchtime. ugggh
09-23-2014 03:07 PM
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(09-23-2014 03:07 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I feel for those swim parents. At the pool by 7am on a Saturday for a meet that lasts until after lunchtime. ugggh

Yea, that's the crap we had as kids. every morning at 7 am til 9 for practice, then every saturday morning for a meet.

Not the league my kids are in. practice is about 50 minutes a day and in the evening, 6 o'clock or so. The meets Tuesday evenings starting at 6 we're usually out by 9:30-10. It's Summer so no problem with being up late, works out beautifully.
09-23-2014 03:13 PM
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I could go for that. I guess they go morning down here because of the heat?
09-23-2014 03:16 PM
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(09-23-2014 03:13 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(09-23-2014 03:07 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I feel for those swim parents. At the pool by 7am on a Saturday for a meet that lasts until after lunchtime. ugggh

Yea, that's the crap we had as kids. every morning at 7 am til 9 for practice, then every saturday morning for a meet.

Not the league my kids are in. practice is about 50 minutes a day and in the evening, 6 o'clock or so. The meets Tuesday evenings starting at 6 we're usually out by 9:30-10. It's Summer so no problem with being up late, works out beautifully.

You guys are lucky. Our practices were at 10AM and my son was lucky to make 2 per week if my mother could help. Our meets were during the week at night and some of them lasted as late as 10:30. Not fun when you have a 5 year old falling apart and you don't get to unwind until 11:00 while having to wake up a 6AM to go to work the next day. I would have gladly traded that for evening practices and a Saturday morning meet. All the events... meets, fundraisers, movie nights, ice cream socials, the banquet... every last one was held during the work week, some in the middle of the day that my son had to miss because his parents had the nerve to both work.
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I was raised during the time where every kid at a given sports camp got a ribbon or participation award of some sort. I don't know where a single one of those awards went, I certainly never cared about them in the least and didn't know a single child who felt differently than me. The parents seemed far more concerned with it than we ever were, seemed obvious to just give awards to those who won or even a few awards a team for MVP/Most Improved/whatever.

It's funny though, I only hear about 'kids these days' when people mention the undeserved sense of entitlement that those awards supposedly give. I never understood that because the only people I've ever seen truly proud for a participation medal were the 'adults' proudly hanging their participation medal/award for that 5k they walked.
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Your son is 5 years old. His goal for the team is to learn the fundamentals of the game and how to play the game. Between twirling, chasing shadows, picking flowers, and any number of things 5 year olds do during a game, it isn't surprising that one child can dominate the game.

When I coached and ran 5 year old soccer, I played four teams and two games at the same time. The children who were more aggressive or understood the game better played against each other and the ones that were figuring things out played against each other. If a player was struggling or understood the premise of the game, it wasn't unheard of to move the child to the other game. When it clicks it clicks.

I, of course, could have lined the teams up, given the ball in the one child who understood the game, and had him score 25 points. So what, if the other children didn't learn how to properly throw the ball in or what the out of bounds lines are or how to properly kick the ball or properly pass the ball or any of the fundamentals to the game.

The children are 5 years old. This isn't a try out for the premier league.

Oh, soccer has two halves. If you have to complain, complain about playing 4 quarters.
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I see the ugly side of children's sports every weekend.

Screaming at a child to "man up" when they are 9 years old, had the wind knocked out of him, and could be hurt isn't helpful. Oh, that was a broken rib.

Concussions? Shake it off. They can play next weekend for sure. Really?'

Training athletes is about teaching the fundamentals to the game and preparing them on the level they are at that time. Teaching teamwork is important. Later comes strategy.
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Concerning whiny parents- They can call me anytime but it is my team. If they wish to coach, they can have the team. They are not the coach I am.

We had oranges for half time. We had some kind of a sports drink at the end of the game.

We didn't give cookies at the end of the game. Sports is a healthy activity and should be treated as such.

We had a party at the end of the season. We celebrated what we learned and talked about activities we could do to improve for next season.

U-6 is about learning the rules of the game and the fundamentals as a player. Our goal is to play a complete game, understand where we should be, and use the tools we learned during practice.

By the time children get to be in U-10, they are ready to play the beautiful game.
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(09-23-2014 10:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I have a slightly different tack here. The way youth soccer works, your best kids always end up playing striker or keeper. So on the international level, we have produced a few outstanding keepers and the occasional outstanding striker--but nobody who can play midfield or defense. So we go to the world cup and get hammered because our midfield and defense can't control their areas of the pitch.

This is probably true around the world, it's just that if you took our strikers to the Netherlands, they'd be midfielders or defenders there because they couldn't beat out the Dutch strikers. Howard talked about his experience in soccer... at the HS level, he played GK for club and striker for his HS team. What the elite GKs do at the 7-8-9 age is crazy... they'll go from one club team to another to get in games - I'd guess 4-6 per weekend in some cases (kids sign year-long contracts here once they get to the u10 level, prior to that it's "youth academy", and kids aren't restricted from playing on multiple teams at the same time). If you were to look at MLS, I'd expect maybe 25% of the defenders have experience as defenders going back to HS. My impression is that most are converted from strikers to midfield to back as they advance in level (that's kind of a different way of saying the same thing you did).

I don't know that things are done all that differently in other countries. The difference though is that America may be the only place in the world where youth defenders are set in concrete on the edge of the penalty box (less so now than years ago). The lack of quality through the roster at the youth level hinders development across the board... you'd probably find the biggest difference between here and elsewhere when you look at the development of skills at back, moreso than their athleticism, IMHO. The Dutch Total Soccer approach promotes small sided games up to u10 or u12, meaning there's no real emphasis on being a defender or being a striker at a young age.

All of that said, Marcelo Vieira was a defender for the Brazil U17 national team, Omar Gonzales was a forward for the U17 national team (granting one is a wing back the other a central defender). I just read that Deandre Yedlin runs a 4.2 40... it's hard to imagine he'd not be a forward at most levels of play, but I don't know where he actually played (reading about him, he seemed like an athlete who could do anything but was really without development in a given position and sport until he got to college).

(09-23-2014 02:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I am in Newport News. Wife is from Richmond so I am there fairly regularly. There are plenty of leagues when he gets older, but at his age, it seems to be this church league he is in, the YMCA, and the city rec league. Honestly, if I knew he had improved this much and that nobody from his spring team would return, I would have opted for the city rec league. But, he enjoyed it in the spring and wanted to do the same league. He plays around in the back yard all the time for hours, but I didn't know he turned into a beast.

http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/aboutus/FindaClub/ (look at the clubs... the associations are likely rec with 50% playing time mandates).

-or- email someone here:
http://www.usclubsoccer.org/members-area/
http://www.ayso.org/For_Families/AYSO_So.../EXTRA.htm
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(09-24-2014 10:52 AM)I45owl Wrote:  [quote='Owl 69/70/75' pid='11157733' dateline='1411486521']

http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/aboutus/FindaClub/ (look at the clubs... the associations are likely rec with 50% playing time mandates).

-or- email someone here:
http://www.usclubsoccer.org/members-area/
http://www.ayso.org/For_Families/AYSO_So.../EXTRA.htm

Thanks!
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