(09-24-2014 12:02 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote: Save your prayers. Another thing we need less of: God-fearing jurists too intellectually limited and lazy to think of creative judicial solutions other than lock 'em up and throw the key away.
Something weird about you Charm. You have some crazy hatred of those who play by the rules, but you bend over sideways to excuse bad behavior.
(09-24-2014 01:03 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: Something weird about you Charm. You have some crazy hatred of those who play by the rules, but you bend over sideways to excuse bad behavior.
Please provide examples.
I'm not excusing Campbell. He's gonna get what he deserves...years. I'm just tired of the reflexive "lock 'em up, see how I'm tough on crime" solution that knee-jerk reactionaries like brovol in the criminal justice apparatus wield as the cure to societal issues.
(09-24-2014 01:03 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: Something weird about you Charm. You have some crazy hatred of those who play by the rules, but you bend over sideways to excuse bad behavior.
Please provide examples.
I'm not excusing Campbell. He's gonna get what he deserves...years. I'm just tired of the reflexive "lock 'em up, see how I'm tough on crime" solution that knee-jerk reactionaries like brovol in the criminal justice apparatus wield as the cure to societal issues.
I see nothing "knee jerk" in any of Brovol's responses. Your response on the other hand...............
The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
(09-24-2014 04:34 PM)BCBronco Wrote: The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
At what point does the safety of others come before this individuals rights? My wife is in a bad situation at school with a "student" who is manipulating the adults(admins) who say that he can run around, cuss and break things as long as he is not hurting anyone. My wife is being hand cuffed and if my child was in her school I would be at the admin building tonight. They let him run around the building a couple of days ago for an HOUR while my wife stood in front of the glass window he was trying to break so the glass would not hit any of her students. Smart kid, he is getting to destroy property and do what he wants in 4th grade.
At some point something has to be done, Campbell was only different from this kid in that he could throw the football. I try and save kids everyday but not at the expense of other kids or people. Campbell is physically assaulting people, not writing bad checks or stealing old women's purses. He needs to be in jail or in a psych ward. Give him to charm! They can get high and complain about being persecuted!
(09-24-2014 04:34 PM)BCBronco Wrote: The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
At what point does the safety of others come before this individuals rights? My wife is in a bad situation at school with a "student" who is manipulating the adults(admins) who say that he can run around, cuss and break things as long as he is not hurting anyone. My wife is being hand cuffed and if my child was in her school I would be at the admin building tonight. They let him run around the building a couple of days ago for an HOUR while my wife stood in front of the glass window he was trying to break so the glass would not hit any of her students. Smart kid, he is getting to destroy property and do what he wants in 4th grade.
At some point something has to be done, Campbell was only different from this kid in that he could throw the football. I try and save kids everyday but not at the expense of other kids or people. Campbell is physically assaulting people, not writing bad checks or stealing old women's purses. He needs to be in jail or in a psych ward. Give him to charm! They can get high and complain about being persecuted!
I have a number of these "emotionally impaired " kids in juvenile court. Difficult situation. Need a combination of "services" and punishment. Without punitive measures they, in my experience, take things for granted and assume they can get away with the abusive behaviors.
(09-24-2014 04:34 PM)BCBronco Wrote: The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
At what point does the safety of others come before this individuals rights? My wife is in a bad situation at school with a "student" who is manipulating the adults(admins) who say that he can run around, cuss and break things as long as he is not hurting anyone. My wife is being hand cuffed and if my child was in her school I would be at the admin building tonight. They let him run around the building a couple of days ago for an HOUR while my wife stood in front of the glass window he was trying to break so the glass would not hit any of her students. Smart kid, he is getting to destroy property and do what he wants in 4th grade.
At some point something has to be done, Campbell was only different from this kid in that he could throw the football. I try and save kids everyday but not at the expense of other kids or people. Campbell is physically assaulting people, not writing bad checks or stealing old women's purses. He needs to be in jail or in a psych ward. Give him to charm! They can get high and complain about being persecuted!
I think the safety of others is a right and a priority. Therefore, if people like your wife or other caregivers or teachers are in jeopardy, we have an obligation as a society to protect them from those will do them harm. So in my judgment, and I think in the law, the safety of society supersedes the right to those who might be perpetrators based upon previous behavior, and/or the judgment of social workers, and psychologists.
(09-24-2014 04:34 PM)BCBronco Wrote: The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
At what point does the safety of others come before this individuals rights? My wife is in a bad situation at school with a "student" who is manipulating the adults(admins) who say that he can run around, cuss and break things as long as he is not hurting anyone. My wife is being hand cuffed and if my child was in her school I would be at the admin building tonight. They let him run around the building a couple of days ago for an HOUR while my wife stood in front of the glass window he was trying to break so the glass would not hit any of her students. Smart kid, he is getting to destroy property and do what he wants in 4th grade.
At some point something has to be done, Campbell was only different from this kid in that he could throw the football. I try and save kids everyday but not at the expense of other kids or people. Campbell is physically assaulting people, not writing bad checks or stealing old women's purses. He needs to be in jail or in a psych ward. Give him to charm! They can get high and complain about being persecuted!
Sounds like the new principal is a spineless enabler who is more concerned about offending the kid's parents than protecting the safety of the students.
The key to resolving this problem is to covertly alert a couple of the good kids parents to the situation. Have them confront the principal, and if nothing changes have them speak a board meeting. Nothing scares those pinheads more than a parent speaking publicly about their child's safety in the classroom. I feel for her because I've been down this road with a spineless principal.
(09-24-2014 04:34 PM)BCBronco Wrote: The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
At what point does the safety of others come before this individuals rights? My wife is in a bad situation at school with a "student" who is manipulating the adults(admins) who say that he can run around, cuss and break things as long as he is not hurting anyone. My wife is being hand cuffed and if my child was in her school I would be at the admin building tonight. They let him run around the building a couple of days ago for an HOUR while my wife stood in front of the glass window he was trying to break so the glass would not hit any of her students. Smart kid, he is getting to destroy property and do what he wants in 4th grade.
At some point something has to be done, Campbell was only different from this kid in that he could throw the football. I try and save kids everyday but not at the expense of other kids or people. Campbell is physically assaulting people, not writing bad checks or stealing old women's purses. He needs to be in jail or in a psych ward. Give him to charm! They can get high and complain about being persecuted!
I think the safety of others is a right and a priority. Therefore, if people like your wife or other caregivers or teachers are in jeopardy, we have an obligation as a society to protect them from those will do them harm. So in my judgment, and I think in the law, the safety of society supersedes the right to those who might be perpetrators based upon previous behavior, and/or the judgment of social workers, and psychologists.
New incompetent boss and others are nervous. Never happens directly at my wife but when he senses weakness. What does it teach the other kids? Obviously Campbell is not going to get a chance to play college football anytime soon but someone will give him a chance down the road. Ferris state runs an offense perfect for him do they takea chance after his legal ttroubles are over. I am sure this didn't happen to the kid overnight. I am sure he got several second chances all the way through school. If someone at sometime would have stopped and make him sit out a season when he was young or made him earn what he wanted. Would be his kid be on his way to msu right now and leading Cass to a state title? I don't know but I think it would have been his best shot. Why do we enable kids? We still have a shot when they are kids. He might be in too deep of a hole to get out now. Sad but still the innocent need to be protected at this point.
Parents are too afraid of their kid not liking them. Wtf? My son a I are tight we spend **** loads of time together but I am still his dad. He knows there are consequences for his actions. I know what will make my kid do what he needs to do. I don't know. **** my son gets to go fishing with his dad on Friday night after practice and some of these kids have never met their fathers. This society is messed up. Kids should be our number one priority but they are clearly not. **** it.
(09-24-2014 04:34 PM)BCBronco Wrote: The thing is, Bravol is right, so is Charm, the kid needs to be punished, but, we must also find out the root cause of his behaviors, so we can address them. Why would a talented kid be so self-defeating?
The research is clear that punishment does not always work, it is also clear that rehabilitation does not always work. These are complex societal issues that don't lend themselves to simple solutions. One solution that does not work is name-calling by adults.
At what point does the safety of others come before this individuals rights? My wife is in a bad situation at school with a "student" who is manipulating the adults(admins) who say that he can run around, cuss and break things as long as he is not hurting anyone. My wife is being hand cuffed and if my child was in her school I would be at the admin building tonight. They let him run around the building a couple of days ago for an HOUR while my wife stood in front of the glass window he was trying to break so the glass would not hit any of her students. Smart kid, he is getting to destroy property and do what he wants in 4th grade.
At some point something has to be done, Campbell was only different from this kid in that he could throw the football. I try and save kids everyday but not at the expense of other kids or people. Campbell is physically assaulting people, not writing bad checks or stealing old women's purses. He needs to be in jail or in a psych ward. Give him to charm! They can get high and complain about being persecuted!
Sounds like the new principal is a spineless enabler who is more concerned about offending the kid's parents than protecting the safety of the students.
The key to resolving this problem is to covertly alert a couple of the good kids parents to the situation. Have them confront the principal, and if nothing changes have them speak a board meeting. Nothing scares those pinheads more than a parent speaking publicly about their child's safety in the classroom. I feel for her because I've been down this road with a spineless principal.
We just happen to have a friend with a student in the class. I have suggested that he make an appearance at school if it continues. The day that he was allowed to roam the halls banging on doors and windows while 3 "Professional" just watched him. Oir friend asked his kid if something happened at school, he said no. Then when reminded of the kid he just said "yea, that kid is weird". Kies are getting numb to idiots. We could live to be 100 in a world like the movie Idiocracy.
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This kid has serious issues
