(09-27-2014 05:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  JSOC would be the other way to do it. My Marines idea comes from
1) I think asymmetric warfare is going to become such a huge mission going forward that it may ultimately require a much larger force,
2) this really does complement the traditional role, particularly as the Navy moves to more brown water ship assets,
3) the Marines have been having some problems moving that traditional mission forward, and
4) the Royal Marines have done it, and they're probably the only fighting force in the world that our Marines regard as equals

The Navy wants to stay Blue Water, thus you'd remove those fights in that service. Carving out a new branch won't take much away from the traditional services. The Navy can have their carriers and subs. They'd be more than happy to give up brown water service. The Army can have its large numbers and artillery and tanks. The Air Force......can have more comfortable chairs The Marines can keep doing more with less.
I think it was logistically easier to re task the Royal Marines than it would be to do the same to our Marines. But I think the theory is spot on. The NATO plan touched on it but would be completely unworkable.

(09-27-2014 05:53 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 05:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  JSOC would be the other way to do it. My Marines idea comes from
1) I think asymmetric warfare is going to become such a huge mission going forward that it may ultimately require a much larger force,
2) this really does complement the traditional role, particularly as the Navy moves to more brown water ship assets,
3) the Marines have been having some problems moving that traditional mission forward, and
4) the Royal Marines have done it, and they're probably the only fighting force in the world that our Marines regard as equals

The Navy wants to stay Blue Water, thus you'd remove those fights in that service. Carving out a new branch won't take much away from the traditional services. The Navy can have their carriers and subs. They'd be more than happy to give up brown water service. The Army can have its large numbers and artillery and tanks. The Air Force......can have more comfortable chairs The Marines can keep doing more with less.
I think it was logistically easier to re task the Royal Marines than it would be to do the same to our Marines. But I think the theory is spot on. The NATO plan touched on it but would be completely unworkable.

Valid points. It's a debate that needs to be had.

I think a big part of the debate needs to be whether you need 50,000 or 200,000 people in that role, and I think we are reaching a point where 200,000 is the better number. And part of the navy wants to stay blue water. The part that chose the LCS doesn't.

(09-27-2014 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 05:53 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 05:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  JSOC would be the other way to do it. My Marines idea comes from
1) I think asymmetric warfare is going to become such a huge mission going forward that it may ultimately require a much larger force,
2) this really does complement the traditional role, particularly as the Navy moves to more brown water ship assets,
3) the Marines have been having some problems moving that traditional mission forward, and
4) the Royal Marines have done it, and they're probably the only fighting force in the world that our Marines regard as equals

The Navy wants to stay Blue Water, thus you'd remove those fights in that service. Carving out a new branch won't take much away from the traditional services. The Navy can have their carriers and subs. They'd be more than happy to give up brown water service. The Army can have its large numbers and artillery and tanks. The Air Force......can have more comfortable chairs The Marines can keep doing more with less.
I think it was logistically easier to re task the Royal Marines than it would be to do the same to our Marines. But I think the theory is spot on. The NATO plan touched on it but would be completely unworkable.

Valid points. It's a debate that needs to be had.

I think a big part of the debate needs to be whether you need 50,000 or 200,000 people in that role, and I think we are reaching a point where 200,000 is the better number. And part of the navy wants to stay blue water. The part that chose the LCS doesn't.

Always reminds me of the child of the ship in Tomorrow Never Dies