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How do you even respond to such a moronic, idiotic comment? I tell you Lurch, I will take my chances on the non-existent threat of climate change, how about dealing with ISIS and Ebola now.

Quote: Secretary of State John Kerry said the threats posed by climate change should be addressed with as much “immediacy” as confronting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), and the Ebola outbreak.

During a meeting with foreign ministers on Sunday, Kerry said global warming is creating “climate refugees.”

“And when you accrue all of this, while we are confronting ISIL and we are confronting terrorism and we are confronting Ebola and other things, those are immediate,” he added, using an alternate acronym for the terrorist group.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environ...isil-ebola
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(09-22-2014 01:40 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  [Image: xqjcw4.jpg]

How do you even respond to such a moronic, idiotic comment? I tell you Lurch, I will take my chances on the non-existent threat of climate change, how about dealing with ISIS and Ebola now.

Quote: Secretary of State John Kerry said the threats posed by climate change should be addressed with as much “immediacy” as confronting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), and the Ebola outbreak.

During a meeting with foreign ministers on Sunday, Kerry said global warming is creating “climate refugees.”

“And when you accrue all of this, while we are confronting ISIL and we are confronting terrorism and we are confronting Ebola and other things, those are immediate,” he added, using an alternate acronym for the terrorist group.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environ...isil-ebola

A single bad heat-wave or drought caused by Climate Change would dwarf any of the realistic dangers faced to humanity by either ISIS or Ebola.
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Also, why are you acting like we can't focus on both, or that focusing on Climate Change in anyway impacts our response to Ebola or ISIL?
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(09-22-2014 01:45 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Also, why are you acting like we can't focus on both, or that focusing on Climate Change in anyway impacts our response to Ebola or ISIL?

Describe a single heat wave.
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(09-22-2014 01:45 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Also, why are you acting like we can't focus on both, or that focusing on Climate Change in anyway impacts our response to Ebola or ISIL?

Describe a single heat wave.


The Northern Hemisphere summer heat wave of 2010 affected many areas across the Northern Hemisphere, especially parts of Northeastern China and European Russia.
Starting in May 2010, records were being set. On 26 May, at Mohenjo-daro, Sindh province in Pakistan a national record high temperature of 53.5 °C (128.3 °F) occurred.
In June 2010, Eastern Europe experienced very warm conditions. Ruse, Bulgaria hit 36.6 °C (97.9 °F) on the 13th making it the warmest spot in Europe. Other records broken on the 13th include Vidin, Bulgaria at 35.8 °C (96.4 °F), Sandanski, Bulgaria hitting 35.5 °C (95.9 °F), Lovech and Pazardzhik, Bulgaria at 35.1 °C (95.2 °F) as well as the capital, Sofia, hitting 33.3 °C (91.9 °F). The heat came from the Sahara desert and was not associated with rain. This helped the situation with high water levels in that part of the continent.[58] On the 14th, several cities were once again above the 35 °C (95 °F) mark even though they did not break records. The only cities in Bulgaria breaking records were Musala peak hitting 15.2 °C (59.4 °F) and Elhovo hitting 35.6 °C (96.1 °F).[59] On the 15th, Ruse, Bulgaria peaked at 37.2 °C (99.0 °F). Although it was not a record, this was the highest temperature recorded in the country. Five Bulgarian cities broke records that day: Ahtopol hit 28.6 °C (83.5 °F), Dobrich was 33.8 °C (92.8 °F), Karnobat hit 34 °C (93 °F), Sliven hit 35 °C (95 °F) and Elhovo recorded 36.1 °C (97.0 °F).[60]
From 4 to 9 July 2010, the majority of the American East Coast, from the Carolinas to Maine, was gripped in a severe heat wave. Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, Washington, Raleigh, and even Boston eclipsed 100 °F (38 °C). Many records were broken, some of which dated back to the 19th century, including Wilmington, Delaware's temperature of 103 °F (39 °C) on Wednesday, 7 July, which broke the record of 97 °F (36 °C) from 1897. Philadelphia and New York eclipsed 100 °F (38 °C) for the first time since 2001. Fredrick, Maryland, and Newark, New Jersey, among others topped the century mark (37.8 Celsius) for four days in a row.[61]
The 2011 North American heat wave brought record heat to the Midwestern United States, Eastern Canada, and much of the Eastern Seaboard.
A record-breaking heat wave hit Southwestern Asia in late July and early August 2011, with temperatures in Iraq exceeding 120 °F (49 °C),[62] and an "asphalt-melting, earth-parching, brain-scrambling heat of midsummer" in Tbilisi, Georgia.[63] The Iraqis were further challenged by pressure to fast during Ramadan, despite heat of 124 °F (51 °C) in Baghdad and 126 °F (52 °C) in Diwaniya on 4 August.[62] The extreme heat inspired conspiracy theories of the government corruption in Iraq and retaliation from the United States government;[62] and, in Georgia, the Apocalypse, mutant locusts caused by Chernobyl, snakes imported by unseen enemies, and sun spots.[63]
Most parts of the United Kingdom experienced an Indian summer between September and October 2011. The heat wave resulted in a new record high temperature for October at 30 °C.[64]

Land surface temperatures of 8–15 March 2012. Land surface temperatures are distinct from the air temperatures that meteorological stations typically measure.

In March 2012, one of the greatest heat waves was observed in many regions of North America. First very warm air pushed northward west of the Great Lakes region, and subsequently spread eastward. This air mass movement was propelled by an unusually intense low level southerly jet that stretched from Louisiana to western Wisconsin. Once this warm surge inundated the area, a remarkably prolonged period of record setting temperatures ensued.[65] NOAA's National Climate Data Center reported that over 7000 daily record high temperatures were broken over the U.S. from 1 March thru 27 March.[65] In some places the temperature exceeded 30 °C (86 °F) with anomalies up to +22 °C. Temperature records across much of southern Canada were also demolished.[66]
In March 2012, the United Kingdom experienced a heat wave with temperature anomalies of +10 °C in many places.[67]
In late June 2012, much of North America began experiencing a heat wave, as heat spread east from the Rocky Mountains. During the heat wave, the June 2012 North American derecho caused violent storms that downed trees and power lines, leaving 3 million people in the eastern U. S. without power on 30 June.[68] The heat lasted until Mid-August in some parts of the country.
The Australian summer of 2012-2013, known as the Angry Summer or Extreme Summer, resulted in 123 weather records being broken over a 90-day period, including the hottest day ever recorded for Australia as a whole, the hottest January on record, the hottest summer average on record, and a record seven days in row when the whole continent averaged above 39 °C.[69][70] Single-day temperature record were broken in dozens of towns and cities, as well as single-day rainfall records, and several rivers flooded to new record highs.[69] From 28 December 2012 through at least 9 January 2013 Australia has faced its most severe heatwave in over 80 years, with a large portion of the nation recording high temperature reading above 40 °C to 45 °C or greater in some areas, a couple spots have also neared 50 °C. This extreme heat has also resulted in a 'flash' drought across southern and central areas of the country and has sparked several massive wildfires due to periodic high winds.[71]
In late June 2013, an intense heat wave struck Southwestern United States. Various places in Southern California reached up to 122 °F (50 °C).[72] On 30 June, Death Valley, California hit 129.2 °F (54.0 °C) which is the hottest temperature ever recorded on Earth during the month of June. It was five degrees shy of the world record highest temperature measured in Death Valley, which was 134 °F (57 °C), recorded in July 1913.[73]
Around Canada Day 2013, the same heatwave that hit the Southwestern United States moved north and hit southern British Columbia, Washington and Oregon. Temperatures in BC hit 40 °C (104 °F) in Lytton on 1 July 2013, and on 2 July 2013, the city of Penticton hit 38 °C (100 °F), with both Summerland and Osoyoos hitting the same. The Tri-Cities in Washington were among the hottest, with temperatures around 110 °F (43 °C).[74][75][76]
In China from July to August 2013, the South continued to experience an unusually severe heat wave with exceptionally high temperatures. In multiple regions of Zhejiang, Chongqing, Shanghai, Hunan and other areas the temperatures soared to over 40 degrees Celsius and lasted for a long time. Xinchang and Zhejiang endured extreme hot weather of 44.1 ℃, on 8 August Ningbo reached a new all-time record high temperature of 43.5 ℃, Changsha, Hunan in July 2013 achieved a high temperature "Grand Slam", all 31 days in July set a new daily record high temperature of over 40 ℃. Hangzhou experienced 56 consecutive days over 40 ℃ while Shanghai shattered 140 years of meteorological records to set a new all-time record high temperature of 40.8 ℃. Sustained high temperatures caused many people, especially the elderly to get heatstroke or sunstroke, seriously affecting millions of lives. Many areas throughout China endured record high temperatures resulting in multiple continuous meteorological department issued high temperature orange or red alerts. 2013 saw a wide range of abnormally hot temperatures not seen for the past 60 years of national meteorological records dating back to 1951.
In July 2013, the United Kingdom experienced the warmest July since 2006.[77]
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I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences, and found creative ways to allow market forces to react to scientific evidence instead of just sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.
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(09-22-2014 01:44 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 01:40 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  [Image: xqjcw4.jpg]

How do you even respond to such a moronic, idiotic comment? I tell you Lurch, I will take my chances on the non-existent threat of climate change, how about dealing with ISIS and Ebola now.

Quote: Secretary of State John Kerry said the threats posed by climate change should be addressed with as much “immediacy” as confronting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), and the Ebola outbreak.

During a meeting with foreign ministers on Sunday, Kerry said global warming is creating “climate refugees.”

“And when you accrue all of this, while we are confronting ISIL and we are confronting terrorism and we are confronting Ebola and other things, those are immediate,” he added, using an alternate acronym for the terrorist group.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environ...isil-ebola

A single bad heat-wave or drought caused by Climate Change would dwarf any of the realistic dangers faced to humanity by either ISIS or Ebola.

So bad heat waves and droughts have never happened on this earth we live on?
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(09-22-2014 02:03 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  So bad heat waves and droughts have never happened on this earth we live on?

There's no way you could actually think that's at all a compelling argument. You might as well claim that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer because lung cancer does exists in people who don't smoke.
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In 2011 here in Louisiana, we had over 60 straight days where we averaged 109F, with heat indexes at 120F+ and over 90 days without one single rain drop. Sure it hurt, but it sounds just like one of those single heat waves and droughts, but everybody survived... My dog even had a litter of pups in the middle of all that and I hooked up an old window unit on a chair and put a piece of plywood from the A/C unit to the dog house to keep them cool. We've yet to hit triple digits this year and Summer is over now. First time I can ever remember in my life that triple digits weren't reached the entire Summer. Not to mention, we hit record lows several times this Summer, and the last winter.
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(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences, and found creative ways to allow market forces to react to scientific evidence instead of just sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Here you go. Like all leftists you will dismiss these facts though, but don't even try the crap of no facts to prove our stance are given.


5 Scientific Reasons That Global Warming Isn't Happening


Quote: 1)There hasn't been any global warming since 1997: If nothing changes in the next year, we're going to have kids who graduate from high school who will have never seen any "global warming" during their lifetimes. That's right; the temperature of the planet has essentially been flat for 17 years. This isn't a controversial assertion either. Even the former Director of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, Phil Jones, admits that it's true. Since the planet was cooling from 1940-1975 and the upswing in temperature afterward only lasted 22 years, a 17 year pause is a big deal. It also begs an obvious question: How can we be experiencing global warming if there's no actual "global warming?"

2) There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man: Questions are not decided by "consensus." In fact, many scientific theories that were once widely believed to be true were made irrelevant by new evidence. Just to name one of many, many examples, in the early seventies, scientists believed global cooling was occurring. However, once the planet started to warm up, they changed their minds. Yet, the primary "scientific" argument for global warming is that there is a "scientific consensus" that it's occurring. Setting aside the fact that's not a scientific argument, even if that ever was true (and it really wasn't), it's certainly not true anymore. Over 31,000 scientists have signed on to a petition saying humans aren't causing global warming. More than 1000 scientists signed on to another report saying there is no global warming at all. There are tens of thousands of well-educated, mainstream scientists who do not agree that global warming is occurring at all and people who share their opinion are taking a position grounded in science.

3) Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012: The loss of Arctic ice has been a big talking point for people who believe global warming is occurring. Some people have even predicted that all of the Arctic ice would melt by now because of global warming. Yet, Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012. How much Arctic ice really matters is an open question since the very limited evidence we have suggests that a few decades ago, there was less ice than there is today, but the same people who thought the drop in ice was noteworthy should at least agree that the increase is important as well.

4) Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over: These future projections of what global warming will do to the planet have been based on climate models. Essentially, scientists make assumptions about how much of an impact different factors will have; they guess how much of a change there will be and then they project changes over time. Unfortunately, almost all of these models showing huge temperature gains have turned out to be wrong.

Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer says that climate models used by government agencies to create policies “have failed miserably.” Spencer analyzed 90 climate models against surface temperature and satellite temperature data, and found that more than 95 percent of the models “have over-forecast the warming trend since 1979, whether we use their own surface temperature dataset (HadCRUT4), or our satellite dataset of lower tropospheric temperatures (UAH).”

There's an old saying in programming that goes, "Garbage in, garbage out." In other words, if the assumptions and data you put into the models are faulty, then the results will be worthless. If the climate models that show a dire impact because of global warming aren't reliable -- and they're not -- then the long term projections they make are meaningless.

5) Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong: The debate over global warming has been going on long enough that we've had time to see whether some of the predictions people made about it have panned out in the real world. For example, Al Gore predicted all the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. In 2005, the Independent ran an article saying that the Artic had entered a death spiral.

Quote: Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice that has helped to keep the climate stable for thousands of years....The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a “tipping point” beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically. Of course, the highway is still there.

Meanwhile, Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012. James Hansen of NASA fame predicted that the West Side Highway in New York would be under water by now because of global warming.

If the climate models and the predictions about global warming aren't even close to being correct, wouldn't it be more scientific to reject hasty action based on faulty data so that we can further study the issue and find out what's really going on?

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawki.../page/full
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(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences, and found creative ways to allow market forces to react to scientific evidence instead of just sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Our tax dollars are funding that ridiculous claim. It's been an issue for how many years, now? And STILL no evidence that it's true. Just some old beat down president and his beat down ilk telling us it's true. You wanna eat it up, be my guest, but don't get mad when a majority of the population laughs at it.
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Kerry is right! Why, in 3 short months I expect this area to be frigid, maybe even snow! While it will be the dramatic opposite in the southern hemisphere. 04-jawdrop

(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences,

Not a problem.

It's the leftists that are doing astrology.

Quote:ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Fail again. But then you don't know anything about science.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/climate-s...1411143565
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(09-22-2014 02:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences, and found creative ways to allow market forces to react to scientific evidence instead of just sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Our tax dollars are funding that ridiculous claim. It's been an issue for how many years, now? And STILL no evidence that it's true. Just some old beat down president and his beat down ilk telling us it's true. You wanna eat it up, be my guest, but don't get mad when a majority of the population laughs at it.

LSU, get a load of this use of taxpayer dollars...unreal


Taxpayer-Funded Global Warming Musical Bombs, Closes After Only 3 Weeks…


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Quote:After a series of lackluster reviews, the traveling global warming musical that was financed by the U.S. taxpayers is ending its run early.

The Great Immensity, a musical described as “painfully long” and “awkward,” was made possible by a $697,177 grant from the National Science Foundation (NSF).

“The play, which featured songs and video exploring Americans’ relationships to the environment, opened in New York in April with a three-week run before going on a national tour that was supposed to attract 75,000 patrons,” FoxNews.com reported. “But it stalled after a single production in Kansas City, falling short of the lofty goals outlined in a grant proposal.”

The musical was intended to tour the country in an effort to convince Americans to act on climate change. It ended up attracting meager audiences of theatergoers who were likely already on board with the play’s politics, the Washington Free Beacon found after seeing the play on its opening night in New York City.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/the-show-wont-go-on/
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(09-22-2014 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences,

Not a problem.

It's the leftists that are doing astrology.

Quote:ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Fail again. But then you don't know anything about science.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/climate-s...1411143565

I gave this leftist his facts. He hasn't responded to them yet. I await his response in trying to deny those facts.
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(09-22-2014 02:20 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences,

Not a problem.

It's the leftists that are doing astrology.

Quote:ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Fail again. But then you don't know anything about science.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/climate-s...1411143565

I gave this leftist his facts. He hasn't responded to them yet. I await his response in trying to deny those facts.

He'll dig up some bull**** from skepticalscience.com, and never bother to check any of the crap they write.
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(09-22-2014 02:19 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences, and found creative ways to allow market forces to react to scientific evidence instead of just sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Our tax dollars are funding that ridiculous claim. It's been an issue for how many years, now? And STILL no evidence that it's true. Just some old beat down president and his beat down ilk telling us it's true. You wanna eat it up, be my guest, but don't get mad when a majority of the population laughs at it.

LSU, get a load of this use of taxpayer dollars...unreal


Taxpayer-Funded Global Warming Musical Bombs, Closes After Only 3 Weeks…


[Image: 1z1ry9v.jpg]

Quote:After a series of lackluster reviews, the traveling global warming musical that was financed by the U.S. taxpayers is ending its run early.

The Great Immensity, a musical described as “painfully long” and “awkward,” was made possible by a $697,177 grant from the National Science Foundation (NSF).

“The play, which featured songs and video exploring Americans’ relationships to the environment, opened in New York in April with a three-week run before going on a national tour that was supposed to attract 75,000 patrons,” FoxNews.com reported. “But it stalled after a single production in Kansas City, falling short of the lofty goals outlined in a grant proposal.”

The musical was intended to tour the country in an effort to convince Americans to act on climate change. It ended up attracting meager audiences of theatergoers who were likely already on board with the play’s politics, the Washington Free Beacon found after seeing the play on its opening night in New York City.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/the-show-wont-go-on/

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(09-22-2014 02:10 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  
(09-22-2014 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I miss the days when republicans actually supported the sciences, and found creative ways to allow market forces to react to scientific evidence instead of just sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the fact that this 'controversy' is about as real as the vaccine controversy was for the Left.

Here you go. Like all leftists you will dismiss these facts though, but don't even try the crap of no facts to prove our stance are given.


5 Scientific Reasons That Global Warming Isn't Happening


Quote: 1)There hasn't been any global warming since 1997: If nothing changes in the next year, we're going to have kids who graduate from high school who will have never seen any "global warming" during their lifetimes. That's right; the temperature of the planet has essentially been flat for 17 years. This isn't a controversial assertion either. Even the former Director of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, Phil Jones, admits that it's true. Since the planet was cooling from 1940-1975 and the upswing in temperature afterward only lasted 22 years, a 17 year pause is a big deal. It also begs an obvious question: How can we be experiencing global warming if there's no actual "global warming?"

2) There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man: Questions are not decided by "consensus." In fact, many scientific theories that were once widely believed to be true were made irrelevant by new evidence. Just to name one of many, many examples, in the early seventies, scientists believed global cooling was occurring. However, once the planet started to warm up, they changed their minds. Yet, the primary "scientific" argument for global warming is that there is a "scientific consensus" that it's occurring. Setting aside the fact that's not a scientific argument, even if that ever was true (and it really wasn't), it's certainly not true anymore. Over 31,000 scientists have signed on to a petition saying humans aren't causing global warming. More than 1000 scientists signed on to another report saying there is no global warming at all. There are tens of thousands of well-educated, mainstream scientists who do not agree that global warming is occurring at all and people who share their opinion are taking a position grounded in science.

3) Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012: The loss of Arctic ice has been a big talking point for people who believe global warming is occurring. Some people have even predicted that all of the Arctic ice would melt by now because of global warming. Yet, Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012. How much Arctic ice really matters is an open question since the very limited evidence we have suggests that a few decades ago, there was less ice than there is today, but the same people who thought the drop in ice was noteworthy should at least agree that the increase is important as well.

4) Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over: These future projections of what global warming will do to the planet have been based on climate models. Essentially, scientists make assumptions about how much of an impact different factors will have; they guess how much of a change there will be and then they project changes over time. Unfortunately, almost all of these models showing huge temperature gains have turned out to be wrong.

Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer says that climate models used by government agencies to create policies “have failed miserably.” Spencer analyzed 90 climate models against surface temperature and satellite temperature data, and found that more than 95 percent of the models “have over-forecast the warming trend since 1979, whether we use their own surface temperature dataset (HadCRUT4), or our satellite dataset of lower tropospheric temperatures (UAH).”

There's an old saying in programming that goes, "Garbage in, garbage out." In other words, if the assumptions and data you put into the models are faulty, then the results will be worthless. If the climate models that show a dire impact because of global warming aren't reliable -- and they're not -- then the long term projections they make are meaningless.

5) Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong: The debate over global warming has been going on long enough that we've had time to see whether some of the predictions people made about it have panned out in the real world. For example, Al Gore predicted all the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. In 2005, the Independent ran an article saying that the Artic had entered a death spiral.

Quote: Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice that has helped to keep the climate stable for thousands of years....The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a “tipping point” beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically. Of course, the highway is still there.

Meanwhile, Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012. James Hansen of NASA fame predicted that the West Side Highway in New York would be under water by now because of global warming.

If the climate models and the predictions about global warming aren't even close to being correct, wouldn't it be more scientific to reject hasty action based on faulty data so that we can further study the issue and find out what's really going on?

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawki.../page/full

08 still awaiting your reply to deny these facts.
09-22-2014 03:00 PM
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Unhinged: RFK Jr. Calls For Jailing Climate Change Skeptics…

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Now, if you’ll excuse Robert, he has a private jet waiting for him.

Quote:Environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. lamented that there were no current laws on the books to punish global warming skeptics. . “I wish there were a law you could punish them with. I don’t think there is a law that you can punish those politicians under,” Kennedy told Climate Depot in a one-on-one interview during the People’s Climate March. The interiew was conducted for the upcoming documentary Climate Hustle.

Kennedy Jr. accused skeptical politicians of “selling out the public trust.” “Those guys are doing the Koch Brothers bidding and are against all the evidence of the rational mind, saying global warming does not exit. They are contemptible human beings. I wish there were a law you could punish them with. I don’t think there is a law that you can punish those politicians under.”

Kennedy saved his most venomous comments for the Koch Brothers, accusing them of “treason” for “polluting our atmosphere.”

“I think it’s treason. Do I think the Koch Brothers are treasonous, yes I do,” Kennedy explained.

“They are enjoying making themselves billionaires by impoverishing the rest of us. Do I think they should be in jail, I think they should be enjoying three hots and a cot at the Hague with all the other war criminals,” Kennedy declared.

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RE: John Kerry: Climate Change As Urgent A Threat As ISIS, Ebola…
Another last grasp, smell of desperation in the air, Hail Mary (wait can I say that any longer?!?) attempt to "fire up" the lunatic left fringe. The activist base that is inspired by this carnival barking stuff, that they fear will be more inclined to get stoned, splash on some smelly-schit petrulli oil, listen to their best of Joan Baez LP's, and just stay home come November.

The stink of desperation is a noxious cologne. Soon. Real soon.
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Ah, it's "climate change" now is it? I guess that's the way it works when your "global warming" trends subsequently go in the exact opposite direction you projected.

Arrogant meddlers. 05-stirthepot



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