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Is CC Over His Head?
This question was asked in another thread. The answer I think it is too soon to tell. We all know that moving up from FCS to Div I might be an adjustment for a coach that had never been at the Div I level. He may be slightly out of his element this year and be frustrated for trying to put round pegs into square holes regarding his offensive and defensive schemes. It will be a learning experience for him. However I haven't seen him overawed by being at MSU or Florida nor have I seen him lose his composure. Lets see if he maintains that over the next 8 games and doesn't turn on his own players, what I think he needs to do is re-focus the team for conference play. We saw a lot of turnovers at MSU that need to be eliminated both on offense and on special teams. Those were out of character for the first three games of the season.
09-22-2014 11:01 AM
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RE: Is CC Over His Head?
As I had shared in another thread, yes CC is. In the 1st game his managing of the clock at the end of the game showed me that he don't get it.

Also, he needs to play similar type of offense and defense that the current guys had played before, power football run the ball and use your prostyle QB to set up the run.. Bring down 8 in the box and bliz more.

Why go to a 3-4 defense when most of these kids has not played it before. Why not play some of the freshmen WR this season?
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09-22-2014 11:11 AM
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RE: Is CC Over His Head?
I think we're a couple years away from being able to definitively answer that question.
09-22-2014 11:46 AM
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RE: Is CC Over His Head?
Dear NKOTB,
Clearly you do not like Coach Creighton. That in itself is your prerogative, but personally I think you are wrong. You have bought into the philosophy by some on this board, that Eastern has to do what it did under the last coach, even though he had a terrible record.
Like I have said on other threads, players can adapt to different systems. To say otherwise is to demean the ability of those players, and that their coaches do not have confidence in their abilities.
As an example; at halftime the blocking scheme was not working the way the coaches wanted, so they change some of it to try and take advantage of what they think will work better in the second half. According to your way of thinking the players can't adapt to a different blocking scheme. If the linemen, or backs, who do the blocking can't do that then they should not be playing at the Division One level.
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RE: Is CC Over His Head?
I wonder if he has a MAC-caliber staff?
09-22-2014 12:02 PM
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Sorry Ken you are wrong, I do like coach CC as a person but he is way over his head. I now have a kid that is attending EMU and now I am following them (EMU) much closer. If you look at the coaches on staff he had brought in how' many has D-1 background and has been successful? The game is moving too fast for them. There is no way you can tell me that there is another D-1 college football program that has played as many QB's as us and still not sure who to playing heading into conference play. You cannot put in a new Offensive & defensive system and expect it to go smooth against teams like Florida and MSU and then expect our players to run it right. I just want coach CC to handle the simple things and show progress each game and it is not happening. Here one for you, how would you define the offense type? How would you define the defense type. Please don't say I don't like coach CC because its not true, I do like him but I also like the truth.

Please don't think I am short selling or short changing the players but for them to make such a big change is hard to do and football is about reactions and not about thinking the game. I hope this makes sense to you.
09-22-2014 12:13 PM
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RE: Is CC Over His Head?
Answering part of Steve's question certainly Peterson and Haygood have MAC coaching experience. The rest are mainly around the Drake, Nebraska Omaha Sioux Falls axis.
09-22-2014 12:14 PM
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(09-22-2014 11:46 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  I think we're a couple years away from being able to definitively answer that question.

Agreed. With the schedule so far it's too early to tell. Some things are clearly an improvement, while some are - from the outside looking in - unusual.

I tend to think football is football. To dismiss his prior record is silly. Yes - I'll say it - we need to be patient.
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I think it would be helpful to a separate QB coach on staff with Div I experience. Something to think about for next season. Maybe bring Stan Parrish back?
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Dear NKOTB,
Okay I was wrong about your feelings for Coach Creighton. However, football is football. I really do not believe it makes a hill of beans difference with where you have coached. It is still blocking and tackling, and any player worth their beans will be able to make any adjustment asked of them. If, they get beat by someone with more talent, so be it, as long as they did their best.
I also disagree with you about making progress. This team is making progress. You do realize that we are the only team this year to have held Old Dominion under thirty points? You picked the best teams we have played this season to talk about short comings.
09-22-2014 12:34 PM
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(09-22-2014 12:14 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Answering part of Steve's question certainly Peterson and Haygood have MAC coaching experience. The rest are mainly around the Drake, Nebraska Omaha Sioux Falls axis.

Coach Williams and Coach Peterson both have FBS coaching and playing experience as well.
09-22-2014 04:42 PM
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RE: Is CC Over His Head?
Short answer: yes and I said so when he was hired.
09-22-2014 05:25 PM
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(09-22-2014 12:34 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear NKOTB,
Okay I was wrong about your feelings for Coach Creighton. However, football is football. I really do not believe it makes a hill of beans difference with where you have coached. It is still blocking and tackling, and any player worth their beans will be able to make any adjustment asked of them. If, they get beat by someone with more talent, so be it, as long as they did their best.
I also disagree with you about making progress. This team is making progress. You do realize that we are the only team this year to have held Old Dominion under thirty points? You picked the best teams we have played this season to talk about short comings.
Ken, you are delusional.
09-22-2014 05:27 PM
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Dear Bob Wickersham,
What will you and the other nay sayers have to say when Eastern wins some games this year?
Maybe you were one of the people that wanted Babers who went to Bowling Green. They really distinguished themselves against Wisconsin this past week end.
Maybe I am delusional, but I don't give up after four games.
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Babers' team beat Indiana- who then turned around and beat Top 25 Missouri at Missouri. Ken, your posts are just...ludicrous. I'd be willing to bet money that EMU doesn't win another game this year.
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Babers is not lighting it up at BGSU. Think about it: how much more talent does he have to work with and the result against a top tier BIG team is the same.
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As for CC. Right now it looks that way. But the real question is for how long will he be in over his head?
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Is CC Over His Head?
Regardless of the level the game is played by the same rules. CC is a proven winner and that does not happen if he doesn't know what he's doing. The bottom line is that emu has lesser talent than their opponents. Gotta give this some time.


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Dear Bob Wickersham,
I love how you post something that is supposed to be meaningful. Bowling Green may have beaten at the time a top twenty five team, but they aren't anymore. You also didn't ( for obvious reasons ) point out that they were also blown away by Western Kentucky, and now stand at an outstanding 2-2. Wow that is just wonderful. Yeah that Babers is doing an outstanding job.
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Indiana was never top 25...they just beat a top 25 Missouri team this past weekend. What Bob is missing is that there is no transitive property theory in college football. How one team does one week doesn't dictate how they'll do next week. Maybe Indiana was much more fired up for Missouri than they were for a boring road trip to a MAC stadium. Who knows?

I think many of us expected a 1-3 start, maybe some with an optimistic 2-2. To say CC is in over his head because we got blown out of the stadium by a top 10 team nationally is still a bit short-sighted. I understand the issues we (all) have with the offense and game management, but we were NEVER gonna be competitive with one of the best teams in the country just because, as Bob keeps mentioning, we were competitive with (a much different) them two years ago. If we start losing 73-14 to a bunch of MAC teams, then I might agree with everyone. Right now, it's wayyyyy too early to tell.
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