In addition to 7's game thoughts I think we should start a position grading. The us soccer beat guys do this after every match I enjoy the read. So I'll start it off

QB C-

The best analogy I can come up with for Hare is a baseball SS prospect. You see the tools, strong arm, decent athlete. But something about his fielding and delivery just makes him tough to watch. Bad footwork, this stupid crow hop and long delivery that I think prevents him from ever being a great pro.

I think we can win a Mac ship with him but we'll never reach that next level.

Maddie...folks get used to seeing 2 qb's. He's the better prospect and they are going to continue to give him opportunities. It's maddening but the 2 qb system should serve us just fine

RB C

Missing Akeem was tough. We wanted to attack the edges but with sting and acrb that's just not a match. Couldn't establish much b/w tackles. Huff...little glimpse...why doesn't this dude play more?

WR C-

We needed a big play from DB or canada and didn't get it. Beebe also not a factor. Blake and Ducee looked good so that's a plus.

OL D+

Biggest disappointment of the day. They are supposed to be our rock and this was tier shining moment. They failed to get a surge and pass protect and it killed us.

DL B-

Biggest ? Mark going was this group. They continue to impress. Lee and Thomas look and play the part. They held up really well and gave us a shot. Pass rush wasn't there tho.

LB B

What a group and deep. Played the run well. Particularly Santa which surprises me. Watch out for folliard, I think he's gonna be a good one.

Secondary C-

Some good too much bad. We got them into 3rd down situations and didn't finish. Big cushions from the young corners and a few big plays.

Special Teams D-

Nuff said

Coaching C-

Not their best day. Clearly wanted to attack the perimeter from their film study but doing it with sting and acrb? KYP. Defensive game plan was pretty good. Special teams...yuck.

Nice analysis.

I think you are grading on the curve when it comes to coaching. Just so little positives here. I won't beat a dead horse but will give one example. Opening second half. Down 21. After 20 minutes to think about it we chose to: run into the line. (Broken play but even if it wasn't, that was the call). Then. Run into the line again. Then throw short. Totally uninspired. Throughout the game. Even the fake punt was predictable.


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(09-21-2014 11:18 AM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  I think you are grading on the curve when it comes to coaching. Just so little positives here. I won't beat a dead horse but will give one example. Opening second half. Down 21. After 20 minutes to think about it we chose to: run into the line. (Broken play but even if it wasn't, that was the call). Then. Run into the line again. Then throw short. Totally uninspired. Throughout the game. Even the fake punt was predictable.


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to an extent...I get it...however

- the punt fake would have worked, there was a complete missed block...Conlon gets one freaking hand on the guy and Wedel makes it...

- The bomb to Brown...should have been a TD, Hare underthew it and Brown couldn't come back and make a play...

(09-21-2014 11:18 AM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Opening second half. Down 21. After 20 minutes to think about it we chose to: run into the line. (Broken play but even if it wasn't, that was the call). Then. Run into the line again. Then throw short. Totally uninspired. Throughout the game. Even the fake punt was predictable.

There was also another penalty on the drive...I think it was before 2nd down. Obviously the coaches aren't on the field but that was an embarrassing drive. The fake punt was predictable but when you're losing by 20+ everyone is going to be looking for fakes. I still think Wedel should've gotten the first down. Conlon also refused to block anyone on that play.

I'm not buying the idea that Maddie is a better prospect than Hare. Hare has an extra year of eligibility and already throws the ball better than Maddie. I don't think Hare throws it great...he's missed wide open deep routes constantly...but Maddie doesn't look good throwing it at all. Hare has A LOT of room for improvement, but I'd take his potential three year development over Maddie's two at this point. Hare looked great vs UNLV, good vs NU, and decent against a good SEC team on the road. Not sure why anyone is even mentioning Maddie at this point unless they're questioning Carey's dumb substitution pattern.

Brown should have caught that. He had both hands on it. Was it a tad under? Yeah but the point is moot since they drove down and scored anyways.
I'd give our offensive line an F. They didn't give a chance to establish a thing offensively. On the fumble Myers let their stud end drive him straight to Hare on a sprint, discard him, then smash Hare. It was sad. The Arkansas dline took our oline's lunch money and gave them a wedgie all game. Only success we had was when we went to the bubble screen and mixed in the quick runs. Why we didn't do that exclusively from the beginning when we knew our oline couldn't match up is beyond me.

I don't understand the timing when he puts Maddie in. The offense had a good drive the previous time we had a ball and they looked good with Hare getting in a groove. Then next time we get the ball Maddies in. I don't mind him coming in for a drive or two, but if there would have been a time to do it was after a crappy 3 and out.

(09-21-2014 11:48 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I don't understand the timing when he puts Maddie in. The offense had a good drive the previous time we had a ball and they looked good with Hare getting in a groove. Then next time we get the ball Maddies in. I don't mind him coming in for a drive or two, but if there would have been a time to do it was after a crappy 3 and out.

wait...are you sure? I thought they did Maddie in the 3rd right after the 3 and out?

(09-21-2014 11:53 AM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:48 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I don't understand the timing when he puts Maddie in. The offense had a good drive the previous time we had a ball and they looked good with Hare getting in a groove. Then next time we get the ball Maddies in. I don't mind him coming in for a drive or two, but if there would have been a time to do it was after a crappy 3 and out.

wait...are you sure? I thought they did Maddie in the 3rd right after the 3 and out?

You could be right. I just remember asking myself why put in Maddie right now. Maybe I have it mixed up.

(09-21-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:18 AM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Opening second half. Down 21. After 20 minutes to think about it we chose to: run into the line. (Broken play but even if it wasn't, that was the call). Then. Run into the line again. Then throw short. Totally uninspired. Throughout the game. Even the fake punt was predictable.

There was also another penalty on the drive...I think it was before 2nd down. Obviously the coaches aren't on the field but that was an embarrassing drive. The fake punt was predictable but when you're losing by 20+ everyone is going to be looking for fakes. I still think Wedel should've gotten the first down. Conlon also refused to block anyone on that play.

I'm not buying the idea that Maddie is a better prospect than Hare. Hare has an extra year of eligibility and already throws the ball better than Maddie. I don't think Hare throws it great...he's missed wide open deep routes constantly...but Maddie doesn't look good throwing it at all. Hare has A LOT of room for improvement, but I'd take his potential three year development over Maddie's two at this point. Hare looked great vs UNLV, good vs NU, and decent against a good SEC team on the road. Not sure why anyone is even mentioning Maddie at this point unless they're questioning Carey's dumb substitution pattern.

I'm just not sure how anybody can say Maddie doesn't look good throwing when the only chance he's really had to throw was Northwestern and he looked good in that one. He threw what, 2 passes last night, one of which was a screen?

Also Maddie and Hare are both third year sophomores. They have the same amount of eligibility left.

As scottiep said, there's just something about Hare that's tough to watch. He's not terrible, but I think you can do better than him.

I just wish somebody would tell me what Hare is doing that Maddie can't do. Hare's not out making extremely difficult passes. He's throwing passes I would bet you Maddie can make. A lot of screens, a lot of quick outs with the occasional deep ball mixed in, and he hasn't been overly accurate doing so.

Every single report from the last year of practices has been that Maddie struggles throwing the ball. The coaches clearly don't trust him throwing more than screen passes. He clearly shot puts the ball and throws side armed. The coaches, who have seen both guys every day over the past year, have decided to go with Hare over Maddie. Hare does some weird stuff but he hasn't been bad by any means.

Hare has led Hare leads us to touchdowns, 11 I think. Maddie??? Zero. Not knocking Maddie, he's a spark plug. Love his desire and energy on the field but we have our guy under center for the next three years.

I love how this board flip flops on Hare every game. Good game "Hare is the Best Harnish 3.0!!" Bad Game: "Why isn't Maddie in!!!"

The game moves a little too fast for Hare sometimes (at least early on here), lets see if that changes with more experience. Often times he is just a split second late making a throw, or a decision. But he is our best option right now, Maddie really struggles throwing the ball which might be all right if he had Vick type speed when the pocket breaks down. Maddie is fast, but not enough to the degree where you can afford to have just the 1-dimension. Yesterday was so much more than a QB issue, it maybe did show a gap bigger than we thought between NIU and the mid range SEC teams. Sometimes though, I think it can look like a bigger gap than it really is because you match up bad with a team, and I think that was the case yesterday.

I'm going with D+ for offense and defense and F for special teams.

Im going with a D for play calling.

(09-21-2014 12:52 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Hare has led Hare leads us to touchdowns, 11 I think. Maddie??? Zero. Not knocking Maddie, he's a spark plug. Love his desire and energy on the field but we have our guy under center for the next three years.

Also, Hare has zero INTs.

I think that we need to give Hare a bit more time before judging him so harshly. This was only his second college start and against an SEC team. He has missed open receivers when throwing the long ball but he has been just overthrowing them by a step or two which is more an issue of timing than anything else. He just needs to hold the ball a bit longer on those plays and at times you just cannot do that.

Here's my big ?. And ya I'm getting way ahead of myself but that's my god-given right as a fan/message board poster!

Hare continues to improve, we make it to Detroit with him. But you just can kind of tell he has a ceiling.

Maddie continues to get shots and also comes along but you just see that he's never going to be polished enough throwing the rock.

We go in to the spring and Root really grasps the offense and seems to have the most upside/talent on the roster.

And turns out Mac was the most solid choice but he was hurt vs NW which led to the poor performance.

I totally see this happening...WTF will we do then? Be the first to try a 4 QB rotation?!