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RE: Why Not a Seventh NY Bowl Game?
(09-20-2014 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The question is really----what is really the cost? Say the bowl pays 500K million now. Going to a 3 million payout for the P5 opponenet costs 2.5 over 6 years. The chmap stays at 500K. Thats 15 million extra dollars. That's the maximum additional cost. Let's be realistic--if you have a high p5 selection vs the AAC champ (the AAC champ usually is going to have an enthusiastic fan base for that season)---the bowl tv rights, bowl ticket sales, and bowl sponsorship value---are all going to increase over the current low end bowl set up vs the Sunbelt.
No, this game is effectively replacing Birmingham/Military/DFW, the games an 11-2 AAC champ is going to now (2014-19). Those games were paying about $1M each in the last round of contracts. You're trying to move a bowl into the top ten payouts, that was about $3M per team last round. So $2M x 6 = $12M. That's a floor--multiply that by whatever the minor-bowl payouts went up by from 2010-13 to 2014-19.
Quote:I would be surprised if there is any significant cost once the increased revenue streams are included. Say the new income comes up short by 500k a year. Is it worth 500K a year to provide your conference champion with a quality post season destination? The truth is, the deck is usually stacked in such a way that a decent bowl can't lose many. I personally doubt such a bowl would lose money. There may be up front costs---but over time my guess is the bowl cost is zero. Hell--it probably ends up becoming a minor income stream.
ESPN is keeping a lot of the bottom-end bowls in business.
With an AAC-owned bowl, you're taking a big risk that the champion is a team without many fans like Temple or Tulsa or Tulane, or maybe USF, and the tickets don't sell. UConn's lack of sales for Fiesta Bowl tickets is still remembered. (Yes, that was a cross-country trip for an 8-4 team with less than 10 years in FBS. But it was still a BCS bowl.)
Is an AAC Champion (or runner-up, remember the Access Bowl) vs Big XII #4 an attractive TV proposition? I'm skeptical.
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RE: Why Not a Seventh NY Bowl Game?
(09-20-2014 04:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (09-20-2014 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The question is really----what is really the cost? Say the bowl pays 500K million now. Going to a 3 million payout for the P5 opponenet costs 2.5 over 6 years. The chmap stays at 500K. Thats 15 million extra dollars. That's the maximum additional cost. Let's be realistic--if you have a high p5 selection vs the AAC champ (the AAC champ usually is going to have an enthusiastic fan base for that season)---the bowl tv rights, bowl ticket sales, and bowl sponsorship value---are all going to increase over the current low end bowl set up vs the Sunbelt.
No, this game is effectively replacing Birmingham/Military/DFW, the games an 11-2 AAC champ is going to now (2014-19). Those games were paying about $1M each in the last round of contracts. You're trying to move a bowl into the top ten payouts, that was about $3M per team last round. So $2M x 6 = $12M. That's a floor--multiply that by whatever the minor-bowl payouts went up by from 2010-13 to 2014-19.
Quote:I would be surprised if there is any significant cost once the increased revenue streams are included. Say the new income comes up short by 500k a year. Is it worth 500K a year to provide your conference champion with a quality post season destination? The truth is, the deck is usually stacked in such a way that a decent bowl can't lose many. I personally doubt such a bowl would lose money. There may be up front costs---but over time my guess is the bowl cost is zero. Hell--it probably ends up becoming a minor income stream.
ESPN is keeping a lot of the bottom-end bowls in business.
With an AAC-owned bowl, you're taking a big risk that the champion is a team without many fans like Temple or Tulsa or Tulane, or maybe USF, and the tickets don't sell. UConn's lack of sales for Fiesta Bowl tickets is still remembered. (Yes, that was a cross-country trip for an 8-4 team with less than 10 years in FBS. But it was still a BCS bowl.)
Is an AAC Champion (or runner-up, remember the Access Bowl) vs Big XII #4 an attractive TV proposition? I'm skeptical.
It's more attractive to TV than the current Military/Ft Worth/Birmingham bowls. The reality is would be the best G5 bowl outside of the access bowl. It's immediately ahead of every other G5 bowl. Often, it will be better than a number of P5 bowls. Basically---we are looking at a Liberty/Texas/Music City type bowl.
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RE: Why Not a Seventh NY Bowl Game?
(09-20-2014 04:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (09-20-2014 04:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (09-20-2014 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The question is really----what is really the cost? Say the bowl pays 500K million now. Going to a 3 million payout for the P5 opponenet costs 2.5 over 6 years. The chmap stays at 500K. Thats 15 million extra dollars. That's the maximum additional cost. Let's be realistic--if you have a high p5 selection vs the AAC champ (the AAC champ usually is going to have an enthusiastic fan base for that season)---the bowl tv rights, bowl ticket sales, and bowl sponsorship value---are all going to increase over the current low end bowl set up vs the Sunbelt.
No, this game is effectively replacing Birmingham/Military/DFW, the games an 11-2 AAC champ is going to now (2014-19). Those games were paying about $1M each in the last round of contracts. You're trying to move a bowl into the top ten payouts, that was about $3M per team last round. So $2M x 6 = $12M. That's a floor--multiply that by whatever the minor-bowl payouts went up by from 2010-13 to 2014-19.
Quote:I would be surprised if there is any significant cost once the increased revenue streams are included. Say the new income comes up short by 500k a year. Is it worth 500K a year to provide your conference champion with a quality post season destination? The truth is, the deck is usually stacked in such a way that a decent bowl can't lose many. I personally doubt such a bowl would lose money. There may be up front costs---but over time my guess is the bowl cost is zero. Hell--it probably ends up becoming a minor income stream.
ESPN is keeping a lot of the bottom-end bowls in business.
With an AAC-owned bowl, you're taking a big risk that the champion is a team without many fans like Temple or Tulsa or Tulane, or maybe USF, and the tickets don't sell. UConn's lack of sales for Fiesta Bowl tickets is still remembered. (Yes, that was a cross-country trip for an 8-4 team with less than 10 years in FBS. But it was still a BCS bowl.)
Is an AAC Champion (or runner-up, remember the Access Bowl) vs Big XII #4 an attractive TV proposition? I'm skeptical.
It's more attractive to TV than the current Military/Ft Worth/Birmingham bowls. The reality is would be the best G5 bowl outside of the access bowl. It's immediately ahead of every other G5 bowl. Often, it will be better than a number of P5 bowls. Basically---we are looking at a Liberty/Texas/Music City type bowl.
I guess the question is whether an AAC champion/runner-up is an equivalent TV attraction to a random P5. You're going to say yes, but I think past experience says no.
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