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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
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(09-18-2014 02:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Pal, those "libertarian" candidates are running under GOP tickets.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
Because it doesn't make any sense.
Sure it does. You are your own party. Create your own ticket.

What does this even mean?

Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?

why worry about libertarians then
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 02:55 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:51 PM)jh Wrote:  
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(09-18-2014 02:42 PM)jh Wrote:  Because it doesn't make any sense.
Sure it does. You are your own party. Create your own ticket.

What does this even mean?

Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?

why worry about libertarians then

Why worry about Republicans then?
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:51 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:42 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Pal, those "libertarian" candidates are running under GOP tickets.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
Because it doesn't make any sense.
Sure it does. You are your own party. Create your own ticket.
What does this even mean?
Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?

Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 02:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 01:23 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Here's one for you. You do know who the Democratics "libertarian" party is? It's the Green party (and to a lesser extent the Communist USA party). But then go look at who those Green Party supporters put their votes behind when an election comes up. It's not the Green party, they'll vote Democratic, because there's enough similarities between the two, and then they push to try to get the Democrats to see along their lines.

But here's the big difference. Right now on the libertarian/republican side, there aren't enough similarities. Libertarians are socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Republicans are neither. They're socially conservative and fiscally only slightly less liberal than democrats.

When GWB was running for president, he said he was going to cut the size of the federal government and get us out of the nation-building business. That's a libertarian message.

What he actually did was to grow the federal government faster than any previous president, run up the budget deficits larger than anyone prior to Obama, get us into two now-failed nation-building efforts, and infringe the hell out of constitutional liberties. That's not a libertarian message.

So no, they're not the same.

But GWB isn't running for anything and far as I can tell not a lot of the Senate candidates sound like dimlite.

First I can't really believe we're going through all this, yet again, but I continue to fall back on what I said the last time we hashed all this out. I'll vote for the candidate that is closest to what I am looking for. Are any of them perfect, well of course not. I can think of literally only 1 person that holds all the same beliefs and opinions on things and he's typing this.

BUT, that said, I will typically find candidates most closely aligned with my views and where I want to see the Country go within the Republican party. Rarely, but it's happened with the dims. Are they both leading us off a cliff, just at different speeds? Well, perhaps. Are there Republicans, especially in this new crop of guys coming through that I genuinely think are trying to change that around? Most definitely.

With the dims we know without any doubt whatsoever exactly what we're going to get, it's failure is on spectacular display each and every day, right in front of us.


So, while working for my own best interest and that of my family I will take the guy, or gal, that I agree with 80% of the time versus someone I might agree with 20% of the time. A libertarian candidate? I might align with them 80.1% of the time or perhaps more, but they have NO shot. none. That and I am convinced that many of them, especially that fraud here in Va. that many of them are indeed frauds. Funded by the left, spoilers only. They know they can't and won't win, but they can affect the outcome of the elections and that is really what they are trying to do. $.02
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 02:59 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:51 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:42 PM)jh Wrote:  Because it doesn't make any sense.
Sure it does. You are your own party. Create your own ticket.
What does this even mean?
Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?

Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?

Is Rand Paul a libertarian?
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 03:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:59 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:51 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Sure it does. You are your own party. Create your own ticket.
What does this even mean?
Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?
Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?
Is Rand Paul a libertarian?

No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.

Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
Any support for free booze?
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
Someone needs to answer the question posed in the OP imo.
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:59 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:51 PM)jh Wrote:  What does this even mean?
Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?
Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?
Is Rand Paul a libertarian?

No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.

Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.

yes, Rand Paul is a libertarian.
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 03:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:59 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?
Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?
Is Rand Paul a libertarian?
No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.
Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.
yes, Rand Paul is a libertarian.

What a convincing argument. But, for the sake of the discussion, I will concede that, as Rand Paul is more libertarian than you in your mind, and for the purposes of this discussion, he is a libertarian.

Now please explain how Rand Paul winning a Senate seat in 2010 is siphoning votes away from the Republican candidate for Senate from Kansas in 2014. Or any other Republican candidate. Or contributing to the Democrats maintaining control of the Senate in any meaningful way.
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 03:26 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:59 PM)jh Wrote:  Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?
Is Rand Paul a libertarian?
No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.
Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.
yes, Rand Paul is a libertarian.

What a convincing argument. But, for the sake of the discussion, I will concede that, as Rand Paul is more libertarian than you in your mind, and for the purposes of this discussion, he is a libertarian.

Now please explain how Rand Paul winning a Senate seat in 2010 is siphoning votes away from the Republican candidate for Senate from Kansas in 2014. Or any other Republican candidate. Or contributing to the Democrats maintaining control of the Senate in any meaningful way.

Hey, didn't his Dad also run as a Republican? What about Mike Lee or Thomas Massie? How about Mark Sanford and Trey Radel?

and what do you know? Libertarians are suing the Republicans in Nebraska. Now call me crazy, but most kids these days normally don't sue the person giving them a ride to school in the morning.
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 03:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:59 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 02:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Libertarian are not Republicans. Why do you run as Republicans?
Who is running as a Republican and what does that have to do with this thread?
Is Rand Paul a libertarian?

No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.

Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.

yes, Rand Paul is a libertarian.

I think there are two types of libertarians. First, are the ones that try to affect change in the GOP from a fiscal perspective, but still remain socially liberal. They see the GOP as the better of the two parties because the economics and constitutional rights matter more than the social crap. The second are the loonies that promote a separate candidate and refuse to even consider the GOP. They see taking away a chunk of GOP votes and giving the election to the Dems as a victory to show they can make a difference...then they cry and moan about the person they helped elect. I saw these people at a Romney rally when he was the nominee trying to steal votes for a candidate that had zero chance of winning. When their folk hero Ron Paul ran as a Republican over the years, they voted for Ron...not the GOP. AS soon as Ron lost, neither he nor his followers stuck around to help the nominee.

I really do like a lot of the focus libertarians place on fiscal responsibility and constitutional liberties. However, they aren't team players. They use the GOP megaphone to get their principles out, but then they turn around stab the party in the back when their candidate doesn't win. [As an aside, we are facing this attitude with the ___ first, GOP second crowd...but, for now, a chunk of those people get it]When we are faced with progressives and liberals that want to fundamentally change our country, people need to see the big picture.
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RE: Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?
(09-18-2014 03:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:26 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Is Rand Paul a libertarian?
No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.
Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.
yes, Rand Paul is a libertarian.
What a convincing argument. But, for the sake of the discussion, I will concede that, as Rand Paul is more libertarian than you in your mind, and for the purposes of this discussion, he is a libertarian.
Now please explain how Rand Paul winning a Senate seat in 2010 is siphoning votes away from the Republican candidate for Senate from Kansas in 2014. Or any other Republican candidate. Or contributing to the Democrats maintaining control of the Senate in any meaningful way.
Hey, didn't his Dad also run as a Republican? What about Mike Lee or Thomas Massie? How about Mark Sanford and Trey Radel?
and what do you know? Libertarians are suing the Republicans in Nebraska. Now call me crazy, but most kids these days normally don't sue the person giving them a ride to school in the morning.

I'm sure that in your mind all of those people are died-in-the-wool Libertarians.

And I'm not sure why you are upset about the Libertarian Party suing to stop Republicans from violating Nebraska's election laws. That seems to be exactly what you asked them to do. Stand on their own two feet and develop their own brand. Forcing the major parties to abide by the same rules they have to live by is an important part of that effort.

But none of this has anything to do with what is being discussed. How is any of this making it more likely that the Democrats will retain control of the Senate?
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(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Any support for free booze?

Needs to be a mandated part of healthcare. You can choose birth control or booze...up to $20/month.
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(09-18-2014 03:49 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:26 PM)jh Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 03:09 PM)jh Wrote:  No, but at least he's the kind of Republican I would consider voting for.
Plus, I'm pretty sure he's not running this year so I don't see how he could take votes away from anyone else and allow the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.
yes, Rand Paul is a libertarian.
What a convincing argument. But, for the sake of the discussion, I will concede that, as Rand Paul is more libertarian than you in your mind, and for the purposes of this discussion, he is a libertarian.
Now please explain how Rand Paul winning a Senate seat in 2010 is siphoning votes away from the Republican candidate for Senate from Kansas in 2014. Or any other Republican candidate. Or contributing to the Democrats maintaining control of the Senate in any meaningful way.
Hey, didn't his Dad also run as a Republican? What about Mike Lee or Thomas Massie? How about Mark Sanford and Trey Radel?
and what do you know? Libertarians are suing the Republicans in Nebraska. Now call me crazy, but most kids these days normally don't sue the person giving them a ride to school in the morning.

I'm sure that in your mind all of those people are died-in-the-wool Libertarians.

And I'm not sure why you are upset about the Libertarian Party suing to stop Republicans from violating Nebraska's election laws. That seems to be exactly what you asked them to do. Stand on their own two feet and develop their own brand. Forcing the major parties to abide by the same rules they have to live by is an important part of that effort.

But none of this has anything to do with what is being discussed. How is any of this making it more likely that the Democrats will retain control of the Senate?

If libertarians want to run as Republicans, they need to support the party and the platform. Not use the party to catapult their candidate that not only doesn't share the platform, but dogs on it when the establishment is poised to take control of an election cycle. It's clearly opportunistic.

If you read the GOP platform, you will clearly see it does not share the socially liberal view that libertarians pride themselves on.
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Quote:Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?

How exactly is a rainbow made?
How exactly does a sun set?
How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work?
Why do liberal men have to put their hand on the back of their head to eat a banana?
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Quote:Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?

How exactly is a rainbow made?
How exactly does a sun set?
How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work?
Why do liberal men have to put their hand on the back of their head to eat a banana?

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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That last question is a doozy ain't it?
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(09-18-2014 03:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  That last question is a doozy ain't it?

The funnier part is that liberal guys are probably agreeing with that part and don't get why that's an issue.
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Quote:Why Are Conservative Men So Mean?

How exactly is a rainbow made?
How exactly does a sun set?
How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work?
Why do liberal men have to put their hand on the back of their head to eat a banana?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!



But to answer the original question. Conservative men don't tiptoe on eggshells to keep from offending some effeminate sensitive liberal male or female. That's why we're so mean.
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