(09-18-2014 02:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (09-18-2014 01:23 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: Here's one for you. You do know who the Democratics "libertarian" party is? It's the Green party (and to a lesser extent the Communist USA party). But then go look at who those Green Party supporters put their votes behind when an election comes up. It's not the Green party, they'll vote Democratic, because there's enough similarities between the two, and then they push to try to get the Democrats to see along their lines.
But here's the big difference. Right now on the libertarian/republican side, there aren't enough similarities. Libertarians are socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Republicans are neither. They're socially conservative and fiscally only slightly less liberal than democrats.
When GWB was running for president, he said he was going to cut the size of the federal government and get us out of the nation-building business. That's a libertarian message.
What he actually did was to grow the federal government faster than any previous president, run up the budget deficits larger than anyone prior to Obama, get us into two now-failed nation-building efforts, and infringe the hell out of constitutional liberties. That's not a libertarian message.
So no, they're not the same.
But GWB isn't running for anything and far as I can tell not a lot of the Senate candidates sound like dimlite.
First I can't really believe we're going through all this, yet again, but I continue to fall back on what I said the last time we hashed all this out. I'll vote for the candidate that is closest to what I am looking for. Are any of them perfect, well of course not. I can think of literally only 1 person that holds all the same beliefs and opinions on things and he's typing this.
BUT, that said, I will typically find candidates most closely aligned with my views and where I want to see the Country go within the Republican party. Rarely, but it's happened with the dims. Are they both leading us off a cliff, just at different speeds? Well, perhaps. Are there Republicans, especially in this new crop of guys coming through that I genuinely think are trying to change that around? Most definitely.
With the dims we know without any doubt whatsoever exactly what we're going to get, it's failure is on spectacular display each and every day, right in front of us.
So, while working for my own best interest and that of my family I will take the guy, or gal, that I agree with 80% of the time versus someone I might agree with 20% of the time. A libertarian candidate? I might align with them 80.1% of the time or perhaps more, but they have NO shot. none. That and I am convinced that many of them, especially that fraud here in Va. that many of them are indeed frauds. Funded by the left, spoilers only. They know they can't and won't win, but they
can affect the outcome of the elections and that is really what they are trying to do. $.02