(09-18-2014 05:30 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 04:44 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  You and the idiots in this thread are just wrong.

The Big East thing was NOT the only reason we have focused on football. Cal leaving was 95% of it. Coach West's rant was PERFECT for the program. He told 100% truth regardless of if it hurt his future coaching prospects.

He didn't mail it in on recruiting until well after it was apparent NOTHING was happening on the football side of things. I agree that he stayed a year too long, but for those that said he should've been fired after a bowl game are just stupid. They are the same people that the year after DeAngelo left and we slumped said it was all because of him, not coaching. Forgetting that we lost two QBs in our first three games in '05 and EVERYBODY knew what was happening and we STILL made a bowl game.

Our current coaching staff had no clue how bad this program was. Our AD had no clue how bad this program was.
A couple of keyboard jockeys that like to think they know something, have NO clue how bad the program was.
The fact that we won and went to multiple bowl games in spite of everything showed just how impressive his coaching was (yeah, recruiting is a HUGE part of coaching) not the opposite. Even without Wimprine, DeAngelo and Gotti, we STILL went to our first bowl in nearly FOUR DECADES under Coach West.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't believe the ignorance STILL happening on this board five years after he left.

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This. + 1,000.

(09-18-2014 10:49 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:43 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:41 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:38 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:29 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  He quit while collecting a paycheck for a few years...Not very admirable. I'd have all the respect in the world if he had said what he did after leaving 2 years prior. As it was, it rang hollow and smacked of self serving excuses. You're frustrated enough to stop giving it your best, but not man enough to walk away.

How do you know he didn't?

ummm....because he stayed 2 more years? (ie didn't leave 2 years prior). He did the same thing he got up on that podium and whined like a 2 year old about. If you're not going to invest in it, quit...says the man who mailed it in for 2-3 years

Which means he wasn't complaining to the higher ups before then -- got it.

what does that have to do with anything. Just because you disagree with your boss, doesn't give you the right to effectively steal from them (not give it 100% because you disagree with the direction). His comments were laughingly hypocritical, though the comments themselves had merit standing on their own.
I don't think you understand my point. If he believed that 2 years prior, when it seemed he stopped working as hard, then I think he should've stepped down then and delivered the speech.

Sorry, but that's a BS statement, saying that Tommy "effectively steal"

You forget, or perhaps are just ignorant, of the facts that he was promised new facilities that were always on the drawing board, but always deprioritized.

While we all loved the facilities that Cal begged for, Tommy had to stand by while the universities misguided sense of priorities allowed a terrible situation to get worse. How can you recruit when because of the rain, you have to bus to CBHS??? Freaking Arkansas State had better facilities.

And Tommy complained about this WELL before his firing. The public became aware at his final Presser, but everyone around the athletic dept knew that West was getting screwed, and it wasn't going to get better.

When you're taking a plastic knife to a gunfight, and told by RC to just shut up and do your best...but still have to respond to the fans as to why we weren't winning...

Tommy had heart problems; I'm not sure what happened here wasn't a part of the cause...

(09-18-2014 03:34 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:30 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:15 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I agree...just message board fodder. I was more responding to the "he told it like it is" crowd. While I don't really care and do appreciate the good years he brought, I don't admire the way he left it.

That's my position as well. His parting shots really did us no short-term favors and he made out a heck of a lot better than we did in the years following. Heck, he got his buy out from us and coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. I'd love to be treated so poorly.

Must'be been bathing in money with those coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. Whew...

150-200k per year as a coordinator at UAB ... While getting a 3 million dollar buyout from Memphis. Not bad.


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Tommy was a mixed bag, as are most humans. He had problems here that affected his success ~ promises from the University that never materialized regarding facilities and coaches' salaries; heart problems; a coaching revolving door; and a megalomaniac bb coach who got or created everything he wanted. He had problems that he created ~ wandering eye; refusal to recruit toward the end. And he had great things drop in his lap ~ DeAngelo and Gostkowski and Avery, and some darn good coaches, Mallory, et cet.

He was funny and entertaining and self-effacing as all get-out, but he could shovel the BS like no one else. I got tired of hearing his schtick at HH meetings the last two years and finally realized he was no longer giving much effort and was not being candid with the best support group he had and had his mind on other things. I think he grew a bit arrogant during the DeAngelo years and surrounded himself with arrogant staff, and then he grew depressed about the University's lack of vision and support. So, he took the money and ran and started a new life in more ways than one.

I think his final rant was truthful and did a lot of good in moving some of the whales to take a good, hard look at the football program, if you could call it that then, and make some long overdue changes. I wish Tommy well. I enjoyed his Great years here and like to remember all his funny dialogues.

What football coach enjoys being in the shadow of the bassetball coach? Tommy wasn't the salesman that Cal was. He expected RC to do that stuff. We know how that worked out.

(09-18-2014 03:29 PM)boss man Wrote:  West looks like Urban Meyer compared to the disastrous Porter debacle.

No argument, the 2009-2011 seasons and a 5-31 record were a low point in TIGER football lore.

Absolutely

Good coach and good friend. Thanks for the memories. Tomorrow you are the enemy.

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:34 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:30 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:15 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I agree...just message board fodder. I was more responding to the "he told it like it is" crowd. While I don't really care and do appreciate the good years he brought, I don't admire the way he left it.

That's my position as well. His parting shots really did us no short-term favors and he made out a heck of a lot better than we did in the years following. Heck, he got his buy out from us and coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. I'd love to be treated so poorly.

Must'be been bathing in money with those coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. Whew...

150-200k per year as a coordinator at UAB ... While getting a 3 million dollar buyout from Memphis. Not bad.


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More than likely, the buyout amount would have been reduced by his current salary.

(09-19-2014 09:30 AM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:34 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:30 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:15 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I agree...just message board fodder. I was more responding to the "he told it like it is" crowd. While I don't really care and do appreciate the good years he brought, I don't admire the way he left it.

That's my position as well. His parting shots really did us no short-term favors and he made out a heck of a lot better than we did in the years following. Heck, he got his buy out from us and coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. I'd love to be treated so poorly.

Must'be been bathing in money with those coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. Whew...

150-200k per year as a coordinator at UAB ... While getting a 3 million dollar buyout from Memphis. Not bad.


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More than likely, the buyout amount would have been reduced by his current salary.

Why?

Have you read the contract?

(09-19-2014 09:39 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:30 AM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:34 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:30 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  That's my position as well. His parting shots really did us no short-term favors and he made out a heck of a lot better than we did in the years following. Heck, he got his buy out from us and coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. I'd love to be treated so poorly.

Must'be been bathing in money with those coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. Whew...

150-200k per year as a coordinator at UAB ... While getting a 3 million dollar buyout from Memphis. Not bad.


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More than likely, the buyout amount would have been reduced by his current salary.

Why?

Have you read the contract?

Just general practice in buyout situations.

(09-19-2014 09:47 AM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:39 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:30 AM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:34 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  Must'be been bathing in money with those coordinator salaries from UAB and USM. Whew...

150-200k per year as a coordinator at UAB ... While getting a 3 million dollar buyout from Memphis. Not bad.


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More than likely, the buyout amount would have been reduced by his current salary.

Why?

Have you read the contract?

Just general practice in buyout situations.

3 degrees should give you enough knowledge to not comment when you don't know. Tommy West's contract was fully guaranteed.

(09-19-2014 09:49 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:47 AM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:39 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:30 AM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  150-200k per year as a coordinator at UAB ... While getting a 3 million dollar buyout from Memphis. Not bad.


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More than likely, the buyout amount would have been reduced by his current salary.

Why?

Have you read the contract?

Just general practice in buyout situations.

3 degrees should give you enough knowledge to not comment when you don't know. Tommy West's contract was fully guaranteed.

Hence the "more than likely" qualifier. Please read more carefully.

Tommy West's buyout was not reduced by his any future earnings but Larry Porter's buyout was.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...mphis-will

From a quick internet search, it appears that some fired coaches buyouts are offset by future earnings and others are not. It depends on the contract.

I was not aware of the contents of West's contract and I was speaking in general terms.

As a coach, it'd be a cold day in hell before I signed any contract that stipulated anything about my future earnings should my current employer fire me.

Step 2, if asked to sign that contract to get a new agent.

(09-19-2014 11:23 AM)madtiger Wrote:  As a coach, it'd be a cold day in hell before I signed any contract that stipulated anything about my future earnings should my current employer fire me.

Step 2, if asked to sign that contract to get a new agent.

Then you would have a new agent and no job. Fully guaranteed contracts are almost non existent .. when RC signed that deal, a lot of people just shook their heads , including some close to West

(09-18-2014 06:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  While bowls are mentioned continually in this thread, let's not forget that the number of bowl opportunities increased substantially during the TW era. Or maybe not to give the impression of being critical of the bowl games played during TW's stint here, the bowl opportunities increased substantially once ESPN took over TV relative to bowls which actually happened prior to TW and significantly expanded opportunities. Certainly Pancoast, Williamson, Dockery, Bailey & Stobart all had years good enough to merit bowls under the current bowl era or during and since TW. So while I'll give TW credit for the bowl years he had, there are several other coaches and teams that should merit the same recognition & would have if the bowl opportunities were as numerous during their time.

Just as long as you stipulate that Stobart and Rip has the LB signed with the Tigers for many of their years there, as well as there are more teams in 1A, or whatever they want to call it, than there used to be. And there are still 60+ coaches a year that DON'T go to a bowl game!!!
We also were not nearly as far behind the curve in the 70s-90s as we were in the Rip and TW era. I went to the locker room as a recruit in the late 80's and it was almost identical when I saw it nearly two decades later!!
I just hate when people try and say that our three year bowl run was ONLY because of DeAngelo and then totally ignore that we went to a bowl game after he left.

I'd say that after paying agents, lawyers, girlfriends, and the ex-wife, TW is probably not very flush with cash.