(09-16-2014 07:17 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  white voters without a college degree made up 65% of the electorate. By 2012 that demographic was 36%.

And now this:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/surv...-directors

Quote:Last year was a difficult one for college admissions -- with institutions reporting more and more difficulty filling their classes.

Things aren't any better and they may be a little worse, according to the 2014 Inside Higher Ed Survey of College and University Admissions Directors. Slightly fewer colleges reported meeting their enrollment targets by May 1, more reported anxiety about meeting their targets, and more reported recruiting those who had already committed to other institutions. While the increases in all three areas were small, last year's totals were large -- and worrisome to many college leaders.

I find this interesting b/c it demonstrates that the more successful leftists are in getting their ideas out, the more those ideas are demonstrated to be failures.

Colleges are now feeling tremendous pressure b/c the Ponzi schemes which drive their economic models, and which they use to indoctrinate students, are beginning to crumble.

So, if fewer people go to college, how will that affect politics?

I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

As to the demographis thing? We have always been pretty much a 50/50 nation. By design or accident that's just how we line up against eachother.

Colleges are in big trouble. Even schools like UVA are admitting average students this year if they can pay full tuition.

(09-18-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

I think that's getting played out.

Next question is, what about Small State U?

(09-18-2014 08:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

I think that's getting played out.

Next question is, what about Small State U?

I don't think the big publics are benefiting at all. My nephew is a senior and not a very good student and just got into Virginia Tech early decision. He has his pluses, but is very in consistent. For instance, last semester he failed photography and got an A- in AP Physics. Apparently, everyone is getting in everywhere. My brother went to an upscale private boarding prep school in PA and graduated in '06 #2 in his class and the only school he got into outright was JMU, his fallback. He did get wait-listed to a couple others and wound up at William and Mary via wait-list but several schools he really wanted to go to - UVA, Vandy, and Duke, rejected him outright finishing #2 at an extremely expensive and competitive school. Times are a changing.

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

I think that's getting played out.

Next question is, what about Small State U?

I don't think the big publics are benefiting at all. My nephew is a senior and not a very good student and just got into Virginia Tech early decision. He has his pluses, but is very in consistent. For instance, last semester he failed photography and got an A- in AP Physics. Apparently, everyone is getting in everywhere. My brother went to an upscale private boarding prep school in PA and graduated in '06 #2 in his class and the only school he got into outright was JMU, his fallback. He did get wait-listed to a couple others and wound up at William and Mary via wait-list but several schools he really wanted to go to - UVA, Vandy, and Duke, rejected him outright finishing #2 at an extremely expensive and competitive school. Times are a changing.

That's interesting. I haven't heard that sort of discussion here in NoVA. Nor anything from the UVa profs that I work with (although that might be expected).

At any rate, BTTT, I find it interesting that the credentialism the left loves and promotes so much, is on the slide b/c of their failed economic policies.

What impact will this have on the future? Or will it be insignificant due to the invasion that is happening?

(09-18-2014 08:49 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

I think that's getting played out.

Next question is, what about Small State U?

I don't think the big publics are benefiting at all. My nephew is a senior and not a very good student and just got into Virginia Tech early decision. He has his pluses, but is very in consistent. For instance, last semester he failed photography and got an A- in AP Physics. Apparently, everyone is getting in everywhere. My brother went to an upscale private boarding prep school in PA and graduated in '06 #2 in his class and the only school he got into outright was JMU, his fallback. He did get wait-listed to a couple others and wound up at William and Mary via wait-list but several schools he really wanted to go to - UVA, Vandy, and Duke, rejected him outright finishing #2 at an extremely expensive and competitive school. Times are a changing.

That's interesting. I haven't heard that sort of discussion here in NoVA. Nor anything from the UVa profs that I work with (although that might be expected).

At any rate, BTTT, I find it interesting that the credentialism the left loves and promotes so much, is on the slide b/c of their failed economic policies.

What impact will this have on the future? Or will it be insignificant due to the invasion that is happening?

I am failing to find anything online to support it, but his guidance counselor told them last year was the best year she had seen for students getting admitted. Granted, he goes to a local private school that has always had connections and done well getting people into UVA, but I think it was about 18 students out of 60-70 in the class that got in last year. I wish my parents would have sent my brother there instead of boarding school out of state, but there were problems at home and my mom wanted to remove him.

Well in Georgia they have consolidated 10 state schools into 5 with another to mergers on the slate. Parents and kids are beginning to realize the ROI for the 'college experience' isn't worth the debt load.

(09-18-2014 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Well in Georgia they have consolidated 10 state schools into 5 with another to mergers on the slate. Parents and kids are beginning to realize the ROI for the 'college experience' isn't worth the debt load.

I think a lot of people are going the 2-year to 4-year route, leaving a hole in freshman admissions to 4-years. In Virginia, community college classes are transferable and the first 2 years of 4-year college is all cookie cutter, non major stuff anyway. Unless my son gets into a UVA or gets a scholarship somewhere else, I see us going that route for him as well. It is kind of tough though because I would want him to get a job an an apartment and gain life experience even if he stayed "home" for 2 years; however, doing that would probably decrease his odds of ever getting out and completing the 4 year degree as living on his own would likely lead to tighter friendship and more serious of a romantic relationship that would keep him here than if he lived at home. Bottom line, I have no idea what we will do. Good thing we have another 13 years to figure it out.

(09-18-2014 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Well in Georgia they have consolidated 10 state schools into 5 with another to mergers on the slate.

Really? Who merged?

I've said that if Ohio ever got serious about things, they'd merge a couple of universities, even good sized ones. But alumni would push back on that I suspect.

Teaching to the test.

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(09-18-2014 09:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Well in Georgia they have consolidated 10 state schools into 5 with another to mergers on the slate.

Really? Who merged?

I've said that if Ohio ever got serious about things, they'd merge a couple of universities, even good sized ones. But alumni would push back on that I suspect.

Unlike most states, Georgia only has three Tier I State Universities, the rest are all Tier II and III units of the University System. So the pain from the alumni regarding the mergers isn't that great, since the money isn't really there.

Gainesville State College and North Georgia College & State University
Middle Georgia College and Macon State College
Waycross College and South Georgia College
Augusta State University and Georgia Health Sciences University
Kennesaw state University and Southern Polytechnic and State University

They would like to merge Savannah State University and Armstrong Atlantic College, but the former is an HBCU. Thus making consolidation of these schools a bit tricky.

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

I think that's getting played out.

Next question is, what about Small State U?

I don't think the big publics are benefiting at all. My nephew is a senior and not a very good student and just got into Virginia Tech early decision. He has his pluses, but is very in consistent. For instance, last semester he failed photography and got an A- in AP Physics. Apparently, everyone is getting in everywhere. My brother went to an upscale private boarding prep school in PA and graduated in '06 #2 in his class and the only school he got into outright was JMU, his fallback. He did get wait-listed to a couple others and wound up at William and Mary via wait-list but several schools he really wanted to go to - UVA, Vandy, and Duke, rejected him outright finishing #2 at an extremely expensive and competitive school. Times are a changing.

I don't think people are getting in everywhere. I think people that would have gotten in eventually are just getting in sooner. For example: VT admits 70% of its applicants with a 580/680 math and 540/640 reading 25/75th percentile scores. By contrast UVa admits 30% of applicants with SATs of 630/740 and 620/720. And Duke is at 13% admits with 690/760 and 670/760.

That article is not speaking to the Dukes and UVAs and Ivies and Stanfords of the world. They get the students they want. What all schools do is auto admit and auto deny based on a matrix comprising your SAT/ACT and GPA. Then they read the other applications. The problem, IMO, exists for the quality in-state public schools and middling private schools. They are starting to find it difficult to fill their classes with auto-admits because people are broker than ever. Kids that live in states with good flagship state universities are staying home instead of going to out-of-state publics that may be marginally better or expensive "liberal arts" colleges. As a result, many schools find that they need to review more applications than ever and find that they have more open spaces than in the past when the first admit letters go out.

A school like VT might accept an early admit inconsistent student that wouldn't be a regular app auto admit, but falls within a highly acceptable range of the matrix. They do this because the early admit wants to be there and it's a student they probably would have admitted during the regular process.

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I know UB was right about where they wanted to be. They set a new enrollment record at 29,945. I'm a believer that you're going to see the for profit and small private colleges start to die and the big state U's and community colleges will benefit.

I think that's getting played out.

Next question is, what about Small State U?

I don't think the big publics are benefiting at all. My nephew is a senior and not a very good student and just got into Virginia Tech early decision. He has his pluses, but is very in consistent. For instance, last semester he failed photography and got an A- in AP Physics. Apparently, everyone is getting in everywhere. My brother went to an upscale private boarding prep school in PA and graduated in '06 #2 in his class and the only school he got into outright was JMU, his fallback. He did get wait-listed to a couple others and wound up at William and Mary via wait-list but several schools he really wanted to go to - UVA, Vandy, and Duke, rejected him outright finishing #2 at an extremely expensive and competitive school. Times are a changing.

Congrats! William and Mary is a great school.

(09-18-2014 09:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Well in Georgia they have consolidated 10 state schools into 5 with another to mergers on the slate.

Really? Who merged?

I've said that if Ohio ever got serious about things, they'd merge a couple of universities, even good sized ones. But alumni would push back on that I suspect.

Akron / Kent is an obvious candidate. They would together be a huge university...

Kakron university!

I'd say this is a good thing.

(09-18-2014 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Well in Georgia they have consolidated 10 state schools into 5 with another to mergers on the slate.

Really? Who merged?

I've said that if Ohio ever got serious about things, they'd merge a couple of universities, even good sized ones. But alumni would push back on that I suspect.

Akron / Kent is an obvious candidate. They would together be a huge university...

Kakron university!

On my recent trip to UA that's what my colleagues said when this conversation was going on.

Anyway, BG / Toledo is another candidate as well