(09-17-2014 11:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:40 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:34 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 07:26 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I can't wait till Oct 11th! But we have some big business the next 3 weeks leading up to it as well.

There is NO mandatory attendance. The students left early because it was Brevard. Should be better this week vs #24 Bryant and will be better for Richmond on 10/4. Yes we gave up too many yards.

No other school realistically on the table brings that crowd, atmosphere, tv production / package. By the way, I think LFSN may be televising the game from Boone as well. Not sure, but I heard they may.

We do have some work to do on the winning tradition. This year is setting up well for a good chance to right that ship. We shall see.

Gonna take 10 to 15 years of winning and washing away public perception.

Do you really think the General Public has any idea about Liberty and it's history? Other than the PC crowd, most football fans could care less. Actually, with the thuggery being put on display lately, it would be refreshing to see a school and athletes with some scruples and morals.

Falwell was a thug looooong before Liberty ever demanded to be allowed into FBS and received the well-deserved backlash. You cannot have it BOTH WAYS!!!!!!

You may not agree with the guy but to call him a thug is asinine and insulting. Following an App game at Liberty years ago and our group stopped in a burger joint near the stadium. In walks Falwell and immediately walks over and congratulates us on the win. He spent several minutes talking about football and his dreams for Liberty's athletics program. Falwell was extremely cordial and very complimentary of App's team and fans. I've seen some thugs in my life, Jerry Falwell wasn't one.

This was the real Jerry every day.

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(09-18-2014 07:25 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  The comment is for the moderators.

If a thread has a subject about Liberty University in it, why not redirect it to the smack area automatically. There is no school that I can think of that causes so much discord than LU. It rarely has anything to do with the exchange of ideas related to SBC football. The great majority is started by some nutcase wanting to generate interest of bringing that institution into FBS. Frankly, I don't care if LU makes it into the FBS, just don't bring them into the SBC!

The thread WAS an attempt at starting an "exchange of ideas related to SBC football". Yet true to form it gets turned into a diatribe on the political, social and theological positions of the founder. You label a "great majority" of those posting anything about Liberty a "nutcase", but the venom is always spewed by - in your terms - the sane people on this board. I've never seen a single person from Liberty get on here and do anything but try and make a case for their school. They've not come on here calling people who disagree with them a bunch of undesirable names. Again, all that hatred is generated by the sane people on the board. I find that quite a remarkable contrast. So, exactly who are the nutcases here? Someone who poses a simple question, or those who can't make a simple observation or comment without their personal political views getting in the way?

Just to be clear, I have no personal stake in Liberty. I did not go there, didn't watch Falwell on TV every week, didn't donate money to his church or the school. From an App State perspective I simply think they are the best / only option on the table now. They obviously want to move up, have the facilities to move up and most importantly the means to move up. Nobody else in the pool of candidates is anywhere close to them. The report from Carr and Associates stated no other school they have studied - including App - is more prepared to make the jump to FBS. As another poster said, beggars can't be very choosey.

(09-18-2014 07:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  With the way the conference is looking right now beggars can't exactly be choosers.

Personally, I agree with Terry Mohajir...absolutely no need to add any team with a pulse just to get a champ game.

(09-18-2014 07:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:14 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 11:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:40 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Do you really think the General Public has any idea about Liberty and it's history? Other than the PC crowd, most football fans could care less. Actually, with the thuggery being put on display lately, it would be refreshing to see a school and athletes with some scruples and morals.

Falwell was a thug looooong before Liberty ever demanded to be allowed into FBS and received the well-deserved backlash. You cannot have it BOTH WAYS!!!!!!

You may not agree with the guy but to call him a thug is asinine and insulting. Following an App game at Liberty years ago and our group stopped in a burger joint near the stadium. In walks Falwell and immediately walks over and congratulates us on the win. He spent several minutes talking about football and his dreams for Liberty's athletics program. Falwell was extremely cordial and very complimentary of App's team and fans. I've seen some thugs in my life, Jerry Falwell wasn't one.

A few minutes talking cordially with opposing team fans does not make a guy an all-around good guy.

There is a reason quite a few people didn't care for him or his legacy. Polarization has become the biggest generator of the degradation of this country. Both extremes are responsible for this mess and Falwell was a prominent member of the extreme Right. It just irks me to no end when some of the very people crying foul are the ones who foul the most.

You are going off on a tangent, I was simply responding to him calling Falwell a "thug".

No tangent; he was a thug. He was a thug against several groups of people who he passed judgement on. His messages condemned those groups to living outside the boundaries of society. Who granted him the power of judgement? It certainly wasn't God!

Yes, in my opinion, he was a thug to select groups.

P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

(09-18-2014 08:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:25 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  The comment is for the moderators.

If a thread has a subject about Liberty University in it, why not redirect it to the smack area automatically. There is no school that I can think of that causes so much discord than LU. It rarely has anything to do with the exchange of ideas related to SBC football. The great majority is started by some nutcase wanting to generate interest of bringing that institution into FBS. Frankly, I don't care if LU makes it into the FBS, just don't bring them into the SBC!

The thread WAS an attempt at starting an "exchange of ideas related to SBC football". Yet true to form it gets turned into a diatribe on the political, social and theological positions of the founder. You label a "great majority" of those posting anything about Liberty a "nutcase", but the venom is always spewed by - in your terms - the sane people on this board. I've never seen a single person from Liberty get on here and do anything but try and make a case for their school. They've not come on here calling people who disagree with them a bunch of undesirable names. Again, all that hatred is generated by the sane people on the board. I find that quite a remarkable contrast. So, exactly who are the nutcases here? Someone who poses a simple question, or those who can't make a simple observation or comment without their personal political views getting in the way?

Just to be clear, I have no personal stake in Liberty. I did not go there, didn't watch Falwell on TV every week, didn't donate money to his church or the school. From an App State perspective I simply think they are the best / only option on the table now. They obviously want to move up, have the facilities to move up and most importantly the means to move up. Nobody else in the pool of candidates is anywhere close to them. The report from Carr and Associates stated no other school they have studied - including App - is more prepared to make the jump to FBS. As another poster said, beggars can't be very choosey.

Sure could have fooled me!

I hope the conference stays at 11 rather than bring them into the SBC. As disgusted as I am at Falwell's legacy of hate, I am equally disgusted at Liberty's continual politicking to get acceptance into the SBC. Regardless of how much money they have, I hope to never see that camel pass through the eye of the SBC needle.

Just for the record, the SBC isn't "begging" anyone to join.

(09-18-2014 08:20 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:14 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 11:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:40 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Falwell was a thug looooong before Liberty ever demanded to be allowed into FBS and received the well-deserved backlash. You cannot have it BOTH WAYS!!!!!!

You may not agree with the guy but to call him a thug is asinine and insulting. Following an App game at Liberty years ago and our group stopped in a burger joint near the stadium. In walks Falwell and immediately walks over and congratulates us on the win. He spent several minutes talking about football and his dreams for Liberty's athletics program. Falwell was extremely cordial and very complimentary of App's team and fans. I've seen some thugs in my life, Jerry Falwell wasn't one.

A few minutes talking cordially with opposing team fans does not make a guy an all-around good guy.

There is a reason quite a few people didn't care for him or his legacy. Polarization has become the biggest generator of the degradation of this country. Both extremes are responsible for this mess and Falwell was a prominent member of the extreme Right. It just irks me to no end when some of the very people crying foul are the ones who foul the most.

You are going off on a tangent, I was simply responding to him calling Falwell a "thug".

No tangent; he was a thug. He was a thug against several groups of people who he passed judgement on. His messages condemned those groups to living outside the boundaries of society. Who granted him the power of judgement? It certainly wasn't God!

Yes, in my opinion, he was a thug to select groups.

P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

I was not calling anyone particular a name, I was explaining the sad state many programs including my own that has dealt with the issue of DV or other legal issues. Mr. Falwell is gone, you did not agree with his views but how many people created a university? To me, it would be the same as saying well you know Brigham Young was a polygamist, so BYU should suffer and never be allowed in the P5. I am huge Springsteen fan, I could care less for his politics. I listen to his music because I like it, on his political perspective, I think he is way off but that is what made America great. Sadly, it appears to me the supposed tolerant people are the least tolerant around. I am the first to admit, their are idiots on both sides.

Liberty has made strides growing from their strict S. Baptist college, to keep them out of FBS because of their founder is asinine. The winning, attendance, fan base and does the school deliver a good education is what should be part of the consideration. As I stated earlier, would I pick Liberty as the 12th team now, NO. Do I think they should be in consideration if Idaho and NMSU leave, definitely.

Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

(09-18-2014 08:43 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:20 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:14 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 11:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  You may not agree with the guy but to call him a thug is asinine and insulting. Following an App game at Liberty years ago and our group stopped in a burger joint near the stadium. In walks Falwell and immediately walks over and congratulates us on the win. He spent several minutes talking about football and his dreams for Liberty's athletics program. Falwell was extremely cordial and very complimentary of App's team and fans. I've seen some thugs in my life, Jerry Falwell wasn't one.

A few minutes talking cordially with opposing team fans does not make a guy an all-around good guy.

There is a reason quite a few people didn't care for him or his legacy. Polarization has become the biggest generator of the degradation of this country. Both extremes are responsible for this mess and Falwell was a prominent member of the extreme Right. It just irks me to no end when some of the very people crying foul are the ones who foul the most.

You are going off on a tangent, I was simply responding to him calling Falwell a "thug".

No tangent; he was a thug. He was a thug against several groups of people who he passed judgement on. His messages condemned those groups to living outside the boundaries of society. Who granted him the power of judgement? It certainly wasn't God!

Yes, in my opinion, he was a thug to select groups.

P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

I was not calling anyone particular a name, I was explaining the sad state many programs including my own that has dealt with the issue of DV or other legal issues. Mr. Falwell is gone, you did not agree with his views but how many people created a university? To me, it would be the same as saying well you know Brigham Young was a polygamist, so BYU should suffer and never be allowed in the P5. I am huge Springsteen fan, I could care less for his politics. I listen to his music because I like it, on his political perspective, I think he is way off but that is what made America great. Sadly, it appears to me the supposed tolerant people are the least tolerant around. I am the first to admit, their are idiots on both sides.

Liberty has made strides growing from their strict S. Baptist college, to keep them out of FBS because of their founder is asinine. The winning, attendance, fan base and does the school deliver a good education is what should be part of the consideration. As I stated earlier, would I pick Liberty as the 12th team now, NO. Do I think they should be in consideration if Idaho and NMSU leave, definitely.

My views of Liberty being tied directly to the late Jerry Falwell is based upon the fact that the Falwell message of hate is still being transmitted from the university through mouthpieces like Mathew Staver. Opinions are one thing but pushing for legislation to marginalize certain societal communities is beyond reprehension.

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

They have yet to win a Big South title or go to the FCS playoffs from the Big South, and you think they will simply outspend all of us into oblivion?

(09-18-2014 06:07 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  I was simply making the point that if Liberty is undesirable because they have a religious base, then BYU and Notre Dame would fall into the same category. I don't think anyone believes that Liberty, or any G5 member for that matter, has an athletic program on par with Notre Dame, and few, if any are on par with BYU.

And again, if you think the point is simply that they are a religious entity, then you aren't paying attention.

(09-18-2014 07:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  With the way the conference is looking right now beggars can't exactly be choosers.

Who is a beggar? Certainly not the Sun Belt. If anything, we are the belle of the ball as we hold the last ticket (at this time) to FBS.

Now is the prime time to be picky.

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

I'm in agreement. PLEASE !! Let's just say no to Liberty. Or make that, SBC presidents, PLEASE say NO to Liberty.

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

100% agree

(09-18-2014 09:12 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  With the way the conference is looking right now beggars can't exactly be choosers.

Who is a beggar? Certainly not the Sun Belt. If anything, we are the belle of the ball as we hold the last ticket (at this time) to FBS.

Now is the prime time to be picky.

If the Sun Belt were beggars and needed to gratefully accept any interested schools, Liberty would have been in years ago, maybe Jacksonville State too.

Oh look, this thread.

(09-17-2014 10:34 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Its a free country and they are free to espouse their political leanings at every turn. But their political agenda has had the unintended consequence of painting them into a corner. And now Sports and the 5 Day Forecast...

I think it's pretty funny when people react to political incorrectness (opposing Leftist dogma) with vehement intolerance and name calling. I especially find it odd that many of the people who have a problem with LU and other fundamentalist Christian groups will bend over backwards defending Islam and walking on eggshells so as not to offend people who would decapitate them for exercising their "human rights".

The political agenda of the Education Establishment is written into the curriculum with extremist views of Social Constructionists, Feminists, Multiculturalists, and Environmentalists. I'll bet every one of our campuses have professors with viewpoints a lot scarier than LU's.

I think you misunderstand. What I typed was the actual factual issue. I could care less about their religious and political stance. But there are facts at hand. They are not in the SBC today because nobody wants to deal with the political hand grenade that they are. It doesnt matter what our individual professors have done or said. It doesnt matter what anyone here says. Liberty as a an entity is Liberty, They are not BYU or Notre Dame. How do we know this? Because when we think of BYU and Notre Dame we think of Lavell Edwards and The Gipper. When we think of Liberty we think of C-Span. That is all on Liberty. Their founders sought to create an institution to shape morality and American Protestantism via Politics and vice versa. Mission Accomplished! Uh oh...

(09-18-2014 09:35 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

I'm in agreement. PLEASE !! Let's just say no to Liberty. Or make that, SBC presidents, PLEASE say NO to Liberty.

They have...twice

(09-18-2014 08:43 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:20 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:14 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 11:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  You may not agree with the guy but to call him a thug is asinine and insulting. Following an App game at Liberty years ago and our group stopped in a burger joint near the stadium. In walks Falwell and immediately walks over and congratulates us on the win. He spent several minutes talking about football and his dreams for Liberty's athletics program. Falwell was extremely cordial and very complimentary of App's team and fans. I've seen some thugs in my life, Jerry Falwell wasn't one.

A few minutes talking cordially with opposing team fans does not make a guy an all-around good guy.

There is a reason quite a few people didn't care for him or his legacy. Polarization has become the biggest generator of the degradation of this country. Both extremes are responsible for this mess and Falwell was a prominent member of the extreme Right. It just irks me to no end when some of the very people crying foul are the ones who foul the most.

You are going off on a tangent, I was simply responding to him calling Falwell a "thug".

No tangent; he was a thug. He was a thug against several groups of people who he passed judgement on. His messages condemned those groups to living outside the boundaries of society. Who granted him the power of judgement? It certainly wasn't God!

Yes, in my opinion, he was a thug to select groups.

P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

I was not calling anyone particular a name, I was explaining the sad state many programs including my own that has dealt with the issue of DV or other legal issues. Mr. Falwell is gone, you did not agree with his views but how many people created a university? To me, it would be the same as saying well you know Brigham Young was a polygamist, so BYU should suffer and never be allowed in the P5. I am huge Springsteen fan, I could care less for his politics. I listen to his music because I like it, on his political perspective, I think he is way off but that is what made America great. Sadly, it appears to me the supposed tolerant people are the least tolerant around. I am the first to admit, their are idiots on both sides.

Liberty has made strides growing from their strict S. Baptist college, to keep them out of FBS because of their founder is asinine. The winning, attendance, fan base and does the school deliver a good education is what should be part of the consideration. As I stated earlier, would I pick Liberty as the 12th team now, NO. Do I think they should be in consideration if Idaho and NMSU leave, definitely.

Are you saying that Liberty is EVOLVING into a more acceptable candidate?
That can't be true as they don't believe in that "theory".

(09-18-2014 09:04 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

They have yet to win a Big South title or go to the FCS playoffs from the Big South, and you think they will simply outspend all of us into oblivion?

Do some research. Liberty has won 6 Big South titles. 2 of them (2007, 2008 ) were outright titles, but that was before the conference auto-bid.

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(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

So, you are saying you are scared of what Liberty could become if allowed to move up? Nail hit on head.

If Liberty is so inept and sbc members so above LU, then what on earth is the worry?

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