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RE: Confirmed: Big Ten wanted to expand into sun belt region
(09-20-2014 03:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Big10 may have been interested in Vandy but Vandy wasn't interested in them.

Vanderbilt actually makes sense(from an academic/location[not market] standpoint). The issue with them is more deadweight at the bottom in Football/Basketball
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(09-19-2014 08:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  A little historical perspective. In the 90s Notre Dame agreed to join the Big 10 as a full member. It was approved by the president, AD and enthusiastically by the faculty senate. It was the board that vetoed it.

It was probably more like their rich alumni and doners threatened to pull the plug if the went to the B1G.

As far as UNC, something tells me that they were not leaving without Duke and Wake.
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RE: Confirmed: Big Ten wanted to expand into sun belt region
(09-20-2014 04:34 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(09-20-2014 03:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Big10 may have been interested in Vandy but Vandy wasn't interested in them.

Vanderbilt actually makes sense(from an academic/location[not market] standpoint). The issue with them is more deadweight at the bottom in Football/Basketball

If a squad like Vandy were interested or if the Big10 offered them anything.
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RE: Confirmed: Big Ten wanted to expand into sun belt region
(09-20-2014 04:38 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(09-19-2014 08:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  A little historical perspective. In the 90s Notre Dame agreed to join the Big 10 as a full member. It was approved by the president, AD and enthusiastically by the faculty senate. It was the board that vetoed it.

It was probably more like their rich alumni and doners threatened to pull the plug if the went to the B1G.

As far as UNC, something tells me that they were not leaving without Duke and Wake.

UNC received far too much negative attention in regards to the Big Ten when it became known that they were looking into possibilities. In regard to the SEC, they may have just not wanted to go there or the SEC might not have been willing to take Duke with them. I don't see UNC being nearly as tied to Wake as they are to Duke.
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RE: Confirmed: Big Ten wanted to expand into sun belt region
(09-20-2014 05:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  UNC received far too much negative attention in regards to the Big Ten when it became known that they were looking into possibilities. In regard to the SEC, they may have just not wanted to go there or the SEC might not have been willing to take Duke with them. I don't see UNC being nearly as tied to Wake as they are to Duke.

I respectfully understand that comment. However, the Tobacco Road Schools seem to stick together no matter what(someone form there are can explain to me otherwise).

UNC was always a package deal with three(or 4 with NC State or Virginia) teams, but no Conference wanted that, IMO

But it is moot now because UNC is in no position to make demands now.
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RE: Confirmed: Big Ten wanted to expand into sun belt region
(09-19-2014 08:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-19-2014 08:56 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 01:13 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  For a decade or so (the 2000's) Delany needed to preserve an option for ND if they should call. The scenario in which Delany would call ND is hard to picture. Each side knew each other very well; no need to convince anyone of anything. No special deals either.

From what I can recall, there were no other institutions the Big Ten was so public about in their discussions than ND. The others came to look as purposefully vague, even if they were discussing matters for years.

I'd like to know if the applicant pool "available" to the conference back when they added Nebraska was that group of Missouri, Pitt, Rutgers, and Syracuse. That the Big Ten presidents didn't like the pool, let it leak, and then let the ensuing chaos shake Nebraska loose.

It obviously worked for Rutgers in the end, even if they had to wait a few more years. I'd like to know just how long ago or far back the conference started eying up UMD.

I don't think they really understood how destabilizing they were being in 2010 until after the fact. Not sure they weren't using that strategy trying to shake an ACC school loose in 2011-12.

It depends on how unhappy some in the ACC were with the results of the media deals. There was, I guess, enough of an open door for the Big Ten to be a bit ballsy on the matter and reach out to UMD (and who knows who else, if anyone else). In that way, the Big Ten could be seen as reactive as it usually was, even if they reached out first.

I think they really wanted UMD, though, and wanted them enough that they didn't care if it closed any openings for some of those core institutions (UNC, Duke, and UVA). For a conference known for "big state schools," UMD and Rutgers definitely checked off those boxes. I don't think it was like what might have happened to Pitt and Missouri (and Rutgers to an extent), being used as bait.
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The Vandy talk reminds me of a comment from a former SEC administrator who told me that the "dream list" for the SEC has included North Carolina and Duke for at least 30 years and said if they could get one, they'd want Duke so the Vandy people would have someone to talk to. :)
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(09-21-2014 02:35 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The Vandy talk reminds me of a comment from a former SEC administrator who told me that the "dream list" for the SEC has included North Carolina and Duke for at least 30 years and said if they could get one, they'd want Duke so the Vandy people would have someone to talk to. :)


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I consider myself to be objective in this. It seems to me if you think about it all of the B1G additions have been "WOW moves". You may not agree with them, but at the very least they caused a great deal of discussion and maybe even some head scratching.

PENN ST-
a traditional eastern indy power. At the time conferences were much more regional. Yes pennsylvania borders Ohio but PSU was/is still and eastern school. Some say this was the move that started it all

NEBRASKA-
Another traditional national power in FB. B1G got them to turn away from their affiliations with schools that go back for generations. Yes there were problems in the B12 and Nebraska was unhappy, but still a move that got attention

MARYLAND-

Getting a founding member of the ACC, a conference that up to now, had been the aggressor and some may say leader(or instigator) in conference alignment. Gets them into DC market where many B1G alumni have settled. Also got a member that is on the east coast. Drives a wedge between the Norhern ACC members and the Southern members

RUTGERS:

Hasnt had the most successful athletic program lately which caused some to say what? why? Another east coast school, gets them into NYC market, officially. Kept the ACC away from NY and again adds a nice chunk of territory that acts like a wedge between the northern and southern ACC teams. BIG territory smack dab in the middle of the Atlantic coast. Rutgers also has plenty of potential that a B1G membership should help develop

Should the B1G expand again there are only a handful of schools that fit the WOW factor for various reasons

ND-
not going to happen, but we all know why that would be a WOW addition

TEXAS-
no explanation needed

BUFFALO-
location, location location. Fits B1G mold, IMO in every way other than athletics. Buffalo athletics could be much different a decade from now. Would officially bring New York State into B1G territory. Would be interesting to see how a football crazed city like Buffalo would respond to programs like OSU, Michigan and Wisconsin coming to town.
Again would plant a B1G flag in what the ACC wants to call its territory. Maybe to generate interest in downstate they can have occasional games in NYC area. Crazier things have happend in this world

MISSOURI/KANSAS/UCONN-
IMO they would get an "oh, really?" "I guess that makes sense"

UNC/UVA/VANDY/DUKE-
A little more intriguing, but for these 4 to go IMO, there would have to be big (no pun intended) problems in the rest of college fb
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RE: Confirmed: Big Ten wanted to expand into sun belt region
(09-21-2014 09:56 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I consider myself to be objective in this. It seems to me if you think about it all of the B1G additions have been "WOW moves". You may not agree with them, but at the very least they caused a great deal of discussion and maybe even some head scratching.

PENN ST-
a traditional eastern indy power. At the time conferences were much more regional. Yes pennsylvania borders Ohio but PSU was/is still and eastern school. Some say this was the move that started it all

NEBRASKA-
Another traditional national power in FB. B1G got them to turn away from their affiliations with schools that go back for generations. Yes there were problems in the B12 and Nebraska was unhappy, but still a move that got attention

MARYLAND-

Getting a founding member of the ACC, a conference that up to now, had been the aggressor and some may say leader(or instigator) in conference alignment. Gets them into DC market where many B1G alumni have settled. Also got a member that is on the east coast. Drives a wedge between the Norhern ACC members and the Southern members

RUTGERS:

Hasnt had the most successful athletic program lately which caused some to say what? why? Another east coast school, gets them into NYC market, officially. Kept the ACC away from NY and again adds a nice chunk of territory that acts like a wedge between the northern and southern ACC teams. BIG territory smack dab in the middle of the Atlantic coast. Rutgers also has plenty of potential that a B1G membership should help develop

If Rutgers had taken the initial Big East invitation, keeping Seton Hall out, it's quite possible PSU would have been a member then, too. The conversations between Bryce Jordan and some of the other Big Ten school presidents would have probably toned down for a bit, maybe even have stopped. At that time, Rutgers and PSU were pretty amicable with each other. I don't know how the Big Ten would have responded...start up conversations with other schools in the east, refocus on some of the Big 8 schools, or would the new "eastern conference" have changed things for Notre Dame?

Yeah, a lot of those eastern moves are "wow." "Wow" because it took some big breaks for them to get those schools. The Big East messed up, and it ultimately cost them their conference (though they got some good years out of it).

I don't know if there's anything "wow" about Nebraska. Those guys always wanted to be in the conference. There was a possibility that the new Big XII was going to work out all of its problems and make a ****-ton of bank, which it should have with those schools (even without much of a footprint), so the time in the 90's when the Big Ten finally wanted them enough, UNL told the conference nope. I think "wow" was that the conference also wanted Colorado. Could you imagine if the Big Ten went from PA to Colorado? It was never going to happen (the PAC and UC were ga-ga for each other), but it's interesting to see that 20 years ago, the conference wasn't so obsessed about eastern expansion.

If UMD is impressive, I think it's the conference doubling down on UMD and Johns Hopkins that makes it so. And with JHU, the ACC miffing it. Yeah, yeah...the ACC doesn't need AQ in lacrosse and the Beltway is still technically in the ACC footprint, but in that miss, the Big Ten put itself on the lacrosse map, will get its schools fielding that sport some respectable coin, and now is firmly represented in lacrosse's biggest state. Considering UMD was a stick in the mud when in the ACC toward expansion, including PSU, "wow" might be that PSU didn't take it personally and still supported UMD as a good working partnership.
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