(09-18-2014 09:59 AM)kabluey Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 01:36 PM)memphisgrad3x Wrote:  A good prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich....

I'm assuming you understand the entire process from investigation to the presentation of witnesses to the jurors...

I guess you never heard this quote...

"New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_sandwich

I knew a guy that would say "If you give the grand jury enough coffee and donuts, they'll indict at potted plant."

Point seems to be that getting an indictment is pretty easy and is rather stunning when an indictment isn't handed down.

Surprised as hell they did not come back with indictment. Have to wonder if my first fear of a half ass investigation actually occurred and the DA passed the buck to Grand Jury as a CYA move in an election year.

(09-24-2014 07:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Surprised as hell they did not come back with indictment. Have to wonder if my first fear of a half ass investigation actually occurred and the DA passed the buck to Grand Jury as a CYA move in an election year.

Get over it. You must dislike Tony Stewart or something. As an adult, you run onto a racetrack, you might get hit. What is so hard to understand about that? You'll never know or be able to prove what Stewart did or didn't see. That's why there's no indictment and never was going to be: because most people understand rash actions can have serious consequences

(09-24-2014 07:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Surprised as hell they did not come back with indictment. Have to wonder if my first fear of a half ass investigation actually occurred and the DA passed the buck to Grand Jury as a CYA move in an election year.

I'm not at all.

Now it makes sense. That dude had some crossed up eyes.

(09-24-2014 10:07 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 07:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Surprised as hell they did not come back with indictment. Have to wonder if my first fear of a half ass investigation actually occurred and the DA passed the buck to Grand Jury as a CYA move in an election year.

Get over it. You must dislike Tony Stewart or something. As an adult, you run onto a racetrack, you might get hit. What is so hard to understand about that? You'll never know or be able to prove what Stewart did or didn't see. That's why there's no indictment and never was going to be: because most people understand rash actions can have serious consequences

Have you ever driven a single lap in a race before? The FIRST thing they tell you is that when the yellow comes out you SLOW DOWN. Do you know why they want you to slow down? It is because track personnel will be entering the track, most of the time on foot, to check the accident. It is beaten into our heads time and time again every year. Slow down and watch for people entering the track. Another driver who passed by the accident said that Ward was very visible and there is no way Stewart could have missed seeing him. I may concede to others when it comes to certain aspects of other certain sports. But in this matter i will not. I have more personal first hand experience in this matter than anyone on this board and maybe more than everyone else on this board combined.

The grand jury was in error in my opinion not to bring a charge. I can only guess their view was tainted by the presence of THC in Wards system. Personally i feel they just looked at the THC and ignored everything else. Too bad because i have never seen anyone react angerly under the influence of THC. If anything they become more mellowed out, not aggressive.

(09-24-2014 11:06 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 10:07 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 07:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Surprised as hell they did not come back with indictment. Have to wonder if my first fear of a half ass investigation actually occurred and the DA passed the buck to Grand Jury as a CYA move in an election year.

Get over it. You must dislike Tony Stewart or something. As an adult, you run onto a racetrack, you might get hit. What is so hard to understand about that? You'll never know or be able to prove what Stewart did or didn't see. That's why there's no indictment and never was going to be: because most people understand rash actions can have serious consequences

Have you ever driven a single lap in a race before? The FIRST thing they tell you is that when the yellow comes out you SLOW DOWN. Do you know why they want you to slow down? It is because track personnel will be entering the track, most of the time on foot, to check the accident. It is beaten into our heads time and time again every year. Slow down and watch for people entering the track. Another driver who passed by the accident said that Ward was very visible and there is no way Stewart could have missed seeing him. I may concede to others when it comes to certain aspects of other certain sports. But in this matter i will not. I have more personal first hand experience in this matter than anyone on this board and maybe more than everyone else on this board combined.

The grand jury was in error in my opinion not to bring a charge. I can only guess their view was tainted by the presence of THC in Wards system. Personally i feel they just looked at the THC and ignored everything else. Too bad because i have never seen anyone react angerly under the influence of THC. If anything they become more mellowed out, not aggressive.

I think you're probably right here.

The THC thing is pretty bogus. There is no test for THC, when you get tested they are testing for a substance that is a byproduct of your body processing the THC and this substance is stored in your fat cells. Depending on your metabolism you could test positive 30 days or even longer after you actually used mj.

(09-25-2014 08:45 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  The THC thing is pretty bogus. There is no test for THC, when you get tested they are testing for a substance that is a byproduct of your body processing the THC and this substance is stored in your fat cells. Depending on your metabolism you could test positive 30 days or even longer after you actually used mj.

Not going to post it here but i have went through elsewhere what on average happens at one of these sprint specials when they come to town. To give the short version of things it is usually around 3 hours or longer from the time a sprint car team enters the pits till they are on track for their first race. Have never used the stuff but from what i have seen of others it doesn't look as if the effects would last that long. Meaning for him to be under the influence that he would have had to smoke it while he was in the pits. I seriously doubt you could smoke it in the pits with all the race and track officials around and not get caught.

Ok, while I grant you that you know a the racing side of things, it is obvious you have very limited knowledge about a grand jury. Nice quotes, but thank goodness getting a grand jury indictment is NOT quite that easy.

Did they focus on the fact he has THC in his system, probably... BUT I think they actually focused on the fact that he took more than partial responisbility when he got out of his car and walked across the track AT Tony Stewarts car.
While testing for it is not exact, you can still be charged with DUI if elements are in your blood. If you have a work accident, worker's comp will not pay if your blood test comes back positive. It should be a factor in the case.

(09-25-2014 11:19 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Ok, while I grant you that you know a the racing side of things, it is obvious you have very limited knowledge about a grand jury. Nice quotes, but thank goodness getting a grand jury indictment is NOT quite that easy.

Did they focus on the fact he has THC in his system, probably... BUT I think they actually focused on the fact that he took more than partial responisbility when he got out of his car and walked across the track AT Tony Stewarts car.
While testing for it is not exact, you can still be charged with DUI if elements are in your blood. If you have a work accident, worker's comp will not pay if your blood test comes back positive. It should be a factor in the case.

The reason i have so many questions about the grand jury is due to certain witnesses who claimed that he left the track surface with his car before the police arrived and once he got to his hauler he took off the right rear tire and hid it in his trailer. To me it would indicate that if this testimony was given to the grand jury then it would not matter if the guy was stoned out of his gored or not. Stewart obstructed the investigation by moving his car from the crash scene and tampered with evidence by removing the tire and hiding it in his hauler. Any DA who was actually wanting to give complete details to the grand jury would not have left out this testimony. If this testimony had been given to the grand jury it is hard to understand how obstruction indictment could not be returned.

Well well well look at what i found. A study published in Drug and Alcohol Dependence has shown that exercise by those who have used pot in the past could increase THC levels in the blood even though they have not used pot recently. It seems that the THC is stored in body fat. When a person exercises that THC is slowly released into the blood stream. So let's see a hot simmer evening. A person is wearing a five layer drivers suit gets into a race car and drives hard maneuvering the car around the tack. So hot night a very hot drivers suit and exercise. Fast is burnt off and the THC in the blood begins to enter the blood stream. This continues until the body temperature cools. So it is very possible that the THC found in his blood stream was a result of the fat being burnt off and it releasing the THC into his blood. As we know fat burning continues after we stop exercising and it is very likely the metabolism continues for a while even after death. So it opens the door to the possibility that he was not impaired but the THC found in his autopsy was due to it being released into his system by the metabolism of fat.