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I watched their game vs Iowa St and looked just like a Big 12 team out there, and yes they haven't lost to a P5 or even FBS school in a quite a few years now. I think they'd do just fine in the Big 10. There's enough Northwesterns/Indianas/Purdues/Iowas/Illinoiss that they'd play where they could get some wins. Plus there's the 2 or 3 G5 schools and 1 FCS school that they'd play. So you're looking at a 6-6 team probably.
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Same answer I gave to the question of where they'd finish in the AAC, not first, not last, somewhere in between. Would depend on who the home and away games were for me to judge how many they'd win but they wouldn't go 0 for.
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I think the more interesting question would be how many B1G teams would have threepeated in the FCS with a total record of 43-2? I think only Wisconsin, Ohio State and Michigan State...and even they would've likely had a few close calls and losses.

Also, the MVC isn't a joke either. It has probably either been the best or second best FCS conference in that time frame.
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(09-17-2014 02:46 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I think the more interesting question would be how many B1G teams would have threepeated in the FCS with a total record of 43-2? I think only Wisconsin, Ohio State and Michigan State...and even they would've likely had a few close calls and losses.

Also, the MVC isn't a joke either. It has probably either been the best or second best FCS conference in that time frame.

Yeah the MVC is a very physical league, the league will be a bloodbath this year. I've seen 6 or 7 teams ranked out of 10 in the league ranked right now in various FCS polls. Indiana State was last in the preseason poll and they went out and beat Ball State.
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(09-17-2014 01:54 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 12:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People, it is called being hungry, it is called desire, it is called having A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER. I guess most of you didn't watch Gameday.

NDSU plays with a chip on their shoulder now because all of them were overlooked by D1 schools. I think some folks think that football is a game played by robots. Have any of you ever actually played? A big part of playing the game is the mental side of it.

If NDSU was admitted into the Big Ten, that chip on their shoulder ends and yes they would be playing week after week after week against bigger, stronger and more athletic players. That chip would disappear and they would eventually be overwhelmed.

Right now they get the best of the best of kids that get overlooked by D1. They all know who the best D2 program is and so they go there.

The best FCS schools play hard against FBS because they care more about that game then the boys they are lining up against. They have an advantage in the mental aspect of the game. You take that away from NDSU and you would see that athletic disparity in full form. You think true D1 athletes would go to Fargo? No more so than any of those other Western schools in the Big Ten.

Get real people.

This. They get jacked up for this one game versus a P5 opponent each year. Maintaining that intensity for an entire season is impossible.

Sometimes that is accurate and sometimes that is not. Back when NDSU beat Kansas in 2010, the coaches really played that up. But this year against Iowa State, not really. It was kind of like business as usual.
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(09-17-2014 04:02 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 01:54 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 12:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People, it is called being hungry, it is called desire, it is called having A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER. I guess most of you didn't watch Gameday.

NDSU plays with a chip on their shoulder now because all of them were overlooked by D1 schools. I think some folks think that football is a game played by robots. Have any of you ever actually played? A big part of playing the game is the mental side of it.

If NDSU was admitted into the Big Ten, that chip on their shoulder ends and yes they would be playing week after week after week against bigger, stronger and more athletic players. That chip would disappear and they would eventually be overwhelmed.

Right now they get the best of the best of kids that get overlooked by D1. They all know who the best D2 program is and so they go there.

The best FCS schools play hard against FBS because they care more about that game then the boys they are lining up against. They have an advantage in the mental aspect of the game. You take that away from NDSU and you would see that athletic disparity in full form. You think true D1 athletes would go to Fargo? No more so than any of those other Western schools in the Big Ten.

Get real people.

This. They get jacked up for this one game versus a P5 opponent each year. Maintaining that intensity for an entire season is impossible.

Sometimes that is accurate and sometimes that is not. Back when NDSU beat Kansas in 2010, the coaches really played that up. But this year against Iowa State, not really. It was kind of like business as usual.

It should also be noted that NDSU faces that type of mentality from their opponents every week at this point. Imagine if they had this schedule this season:

vs. FCS- UND
vs. G5- Ball State
at G5- Colorado State
at P5- Lets say Oklahoma for fun
vs. Nebraska
at Illinois
vs. Maryland
at Wisconsin
at Indiana
vs. Purdue
vs. Northwestern
at Iowa

I think they win 7 or 8 games off of that schedule, easy.
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(09-18-2014 09:00 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 04:02 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 01:54 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 12:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People, it is called being hungry, it is called desire, it is called having A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER. I guess most of you didn't watch Gameday.

NDSU plays with a chip on their shoulder now because all of them were overlooked by D1 schools. I think some folks think that football is a game played by robots. Have any of you ever actually played? A big part of playing the game is the mental side of it.

If NDSU was admitted into the Big Ten, that chip on their shoulder ends and yes they would be playing week after week after week against bigger, stronger and more athletic players. That chip would disappear and they would eventually be overwhelmed.

Right now they get the best of the best of kids that get overlooked by D1. They all know who the best D2 program is and so they go there.

The best FCS schools play hard against FBS because they care more about that game then the boys they are lining up against. They have an advantage in the mental aspect of the game. You take that away from NDSU and you would see that athletic disparity in full form. You think true D1 athletes would go to Fargo? No more so than any of those other Western schools in the Big Ten.

Get real people.

This. They get jacked up for this one game versus a P5 opponent each year. Maintaining that intensity for an entire season is impossible.

Sometimes that is accurate and sometimes that is not. Back when NDSU beat Kansas in 2010, the coaches really played that up. But this year against Iowa State, not really. It was kind of like business as usual.

It should also be noted that NDSU faces that type of mentality from their opponents every week at this point. Imagine if they had this schedule this season:

vs. FCS- UND*
vs. G5- Ball State*
at G5- Colorado State*
at P5- Lets say Oklahoma for fun
vs. Nebraska
at Illinois*
vs. Maryland
at Wisconsin
at Indiana*
vs. Purdue*
vs. Northwestern*
at Iowa

I think they win 7 or 8 games off of that schedule, easy.

Congrats, they beat the weakest 4 Big Ten teams, Ball State, Colorado State, and an FCS team.

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(09-18-2014 12:23 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 09:00 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 04:02 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 01:54 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 12:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People, it is called being hungry, it is called desire, it is called having A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER. I guess most of you didn't watch Gameday.

NDSU plays with a chip on their shoulder now because all of them were overlooked by D1 schools. I think some folks think that football is a game played by robots. Have any of you ever actually played? A big part of playing the game is the mental side of it.

If NDSU was admitted into the Big Ten, that chip on their shoulder ends and yes they would be playing week after week after week against bigger, stronger and more athletic players. That chip would disappear and they would eventually be overwhelmed.

Right now they get the best of the best of kids that get overlooked by D1. They all know who the best D2 program is and so they go there.

The best FCS schools play hard against FBS because they care more about that game then the boys they are lining up against. They have an advantage in the mental aspect of the game. You take that away from NDSU and you would see that athletic disparity in full form. You think true D1 athletes would go to Fargo? No more so than any of those other Western schools in the Big Ten.

Get real people.

This. They get jacked up for this one game versus a P5 opponent each year. Maintaining that intensity for an entire season is impossible.

Sometimes that is accurate and sometimes that is not. Back when NDSU beat Kansas in 2010, the coaches really played that up. But this year against Iowa State, not really. It was kind of like business as usual.

It should also be noted that NDSU faces that type of mentality from their opponents every week at this point. Imagine if they had this schedule this season:

vs. FCS- UND*
vs. G5- Ball State*
at G5- Colorado State*
at P5- Lets say Oklahoma for fun
vs. Nebraska
at Illinois*
vs. Maryland
at Wisconsin
at Indiana*
vs. Purdue*
vs. Northwestern*
at Iowa

I think they win 7 or 8 games off of that schedule, easy.

Congrats, they beat the weakest 4 Big Ten teams, Ball State, Colorado State, and an FCS team.

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Yeah, which would make them good enough for the Gator Bowl.
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03-lmfao

The things people tell themselves. A major problem with our society is people's propensity to oversimplify anything and everything in order to try and understand the situation.

Fact is, the act of moving from FCS to The Big Ten is pretty much unfathomable. What creates a few successful games a year against P5 teams does not mean that the same formula would work in playing an entire season in The Big Ten.

The biggest issue is that when teams like Iowa State play North Dakota State, it just isn't going to be as big of a deal for them as it is for NDSU. That leads to a team coming out flat vs a team that is playing at their potential or even above.

If NDSU is in the Big Ten, first off, their first year would lead to everyone immediately wanting to rub their faces in the dirt. Secondly...going 8-5?

I blame religion.
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(09-18-2014 06:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  03-lmfao

The things people tell themselves. A major problem with our society is people's propensity to oversimplify anything and everything in order to try and understand the situation.

Fact is, the act of moving from FCS to The Big Ten is pretty much unfathomable. What creates a few successful games a year against P5 teams does not mean that the same formula would work in playing an entire season in The Big Ten.

The biggest issue is that when teams like Iowa State play North Dakota State, it just isn't going to be as big of a deal for them as it is for NDSU. That leads to a team coming out flat vs a team that is playing at their potential or even above.

If NDSU is in the Big Ten, first off, their first year would lead to everyone immediately wanting to rub their faces in the dirt. Secondly...going 8-5?

I blame religion.

Chill homie, it's a hypothetical. They have cruised against the last 3 mid tier BCS squads they've faced and that is what the Big Ten is at this point... mostly mid to low tier BCS squads.

If Kansas State, Minnesota, Kansas and Iowa State were so much better, they wouldn't have lost to a team with 20 less scholarships (and in some cases, blowout fashion).

The majority of the FCS is small and for the most part crappy, but NDSU is a different beast. Teams don't go 43-2 over the course of a three year period without being pretty damn good.
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I hate these type questions. How would A do playing in B.

Insert:

G5 team .... P5 conference
P5 team .... NFL bad conference
FCS team ... P5 bad conference

etc

The problem in all scenarios is it is MUCH easier to do it for just one game. When you slog through game after game and the injuries and fatigue rack up that's when the lesser teams would start coming up short. For reference .... just look at how many teams have fared in realignment. Louisville is 0-1 in the ACC and I bet they won't have a record close to what they did in the AAC. Utah struggles to make bowls in the Pac-12. Etc. Exemptions can be applied if you have an elite QB, which like an elite PG in basketball can make a bad team suddenly quite good. But at the college level ... you only get 'em for 4 years tops. Good luck trying to reload.
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(09-18-2014 07:07 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 06:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  03-lmfao

The things people tell themselves. A major problem with our society is people's propensity to oversimplify anything and everything in order to try and understand the situation.

Fact is, the act of moving from FCS to The Big Ten is pretty much unfathomable. What creates a few successful games a year against P5 teams does not mean that the same formula would work in playing an entire season in The Big Ten.

The biggest issue is that when teams like Iowa State play North Dakota State, it just isn't going to be as big of a deal for them as it is for NDSU. That leads to a team coming out flat vs a team that is playing at their potential or even above.

If NDSU is in the Big Ten, first off, their first year would lead to everyone immediately wanting to rub their faces in the dirt. Secondly...going 8-5?

I blame religion.

Chill homie, it's a hypothetical. They have cruised against the last 3 mid tier BCS squads they've faced and that is what the Big Ten is at this point... mostly mid to low tier BCS squads.

If Kansas State, Minnesota, Kansas and Iowa State were so much better, they wouldn't have lost to a team with 20 less scholarships (and in some cases, blowout fashion).

The majority of the FCS is small and for the most part crappy, but NDSU is a different beast. Teams don't go 43-2 over the course of a three year period without being pretty damn good.

You appear to have had zero understanding of anything I wrote. Go on oversimplifying everything. It isn't just me, see what GTS wrote? You don't know what you are talking about.

So you chill.
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(09-18-2014 07:15 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I hate these type questions. How would A do playing in B.

Insert:

G5 team .... P5 conference
P5 team .... NFL bad conference
FCS team ... P5 bad conference

etc

The problem in all scenarios is it is MUCH easier to do it for just one game. When you slog through game after game and the injuries and fatigue rack up that's when the lesser teams would start coming up short. For reference .... just look at how many teams have fared in realignment. Louisville is 0-1 in the ACC and I bet they won't have a record close to what they did in the AAC. Utah struggles to make bowls in the Pac-12. Etc. Exemptions can be applied if you have an elite QB, which like an elite PG in basketball can make a bad team suddenly quite good. But at the college level ... you only get 'em for 4 years tops. Good luck trying to reload.

Couldn't we in turn apply that logic to how Louisville went from dominating C-USA to dominating the Big East? Or how Boise and Troy instantly became powers at their levels shortly after arriving in D-1A/FBS? And it's not as if Louisville and Utah had extended runs of domination like Boise, they just made the most of it when they had really good teams.
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(09-18-2014 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 07:15 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I hate these type questions. How would A do playing in B.

Insert:

G5 team .... P5 conference
P5 team .... NFL bad conference
FCS team ... P5 bad conference

etc

The problem in all scenarios is it is MUCH easier to do it for just one game. When you slog through game after game and the injuries and fatigue rack up that's when the lesser teams would start coming up short. For reference .... just look at how many teams have fared in realignment. Louisville is 0-1 in the ACC and I bet they won't have a record close to what they did in the AAC. Utah struggles to make bowls in the Pac-12. Etc. Exemptions can be applied if you have an elite QB, which like an elite PG in basketball can make a bad team suddenly quite good. But at the college level ... you only get 'em for 4 years tops. Good luck trying to reload.

Couldn't we in turn apply that logic to how Louisville went from dominating C-USA to dominating the Big East? Or how Boise and Troy instantly became powers at their levels shortly after arriving in D-1A/FBS? And it's not as if Louisville and Utah had extended runs of domination like Boise, they just made the most of it when they had really good teams.

C-USA to post-raid Big East is not the gap MWC to Pac-12 is.
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(09-18-2014 12:23 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 09:00 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 04:02 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
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(09-17-2014 12:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People, it is called being hungry, it is called desire, it is called having A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER. I guess most of you didn't watch Gameday.

NDSU plays with a chip on their shoulder now because all of them were overlooked by D1 schools. I think some folks think that football is a game played by robots. Have any of you ever actually played? A big part of playing the game is the mental side of it.

If NDSU was admitted into the Big Ten, that chip on their shoulder ends and yes they would be playing week after week after week against bigger, stronger and more athletic players. That chip would disappear and they would eventually be overwhelmed.

Right now they get the best of the best of kids that get overlooked by D1. They all know who the best D2 program is and so they go there.

The best FCS schools play hard against FBS because they care more about that game then the boys they are lining up against. They have an advantage in the mental aspect of the game. You take that away from NDSU and you would see that athletic disparity in full form. You think true D1 athletes would go to Fargo? No more so than any of those other Western schools in the Big Ten.

Get real people.

This. They get jacked up for this one game versus a P5 opponent each year. Maintaining that intensity for an entire season is impossible.

Sometimes that is accurate and sometimes that is not. Back when NDSU beat Kansas in 2010, the coaches really played that up. But this year against Iowa State, not really. It was kind of like business as usual.

It should also be noted that NDSU faces that type of mentality from their opponents every week at this point. Imagine if they had this schedule this season:

vs. FCS- UND*
vs. G5- Ball State*
at G5- Colorado State*
at P5- Lets say Oklahoma for fun
vs. Nebraska
at Illinois*
vs. Maryland
at Wisconsin
at Indiana*
vs. Purdue*
vs. Northwestern*
at Iowa

I think they win 7 or 8 games off of that schedule, easy.

Congrats, they beat the weakest 4 Big Ten teams, Ball State, Colorado State, and an FCS team.

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Is that really any different then what Illinois/Purdue/Indiana/Northwestern even Iowa typically do?
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georgia_tech_swagger ' Wrote:  For reference .... just look at how many teams have fared in realignment. Louisville is 0-1 in the ACC and I bet they won't have a record close to what they did in the AAC.

I know Miami has had some down years, but damn did you just kick them out like that? 05-mafia


Seriously though, I think struggles depend on the situation. For example I think TCU will be fine in the Big 12 if they do what they were doing the previous ten years. They just happened to move when they were rebuilding. I think WVU, as the teams were constructed, would do fine in the Big 12 as well. I am not sure if their current coach will do well, but had they still had the Rich Rod teams, they would have. I am not sure if the central time zone focus will affect their recruiting though. Utah I can see your point.

The one common theme about most teams who moved, not all but many, were they moved because of recent success. The problem there is recent success usually comes in cycles, and most moved right at the end of a cycle. Then they struggle the first year, and people consider it a fluke, because of the affects of one season.
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