(09-16-2014 02:32 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Nobody has NetFlix and Amazon and Hulu. That would be silly, you only need one and there is no need at all for Hulu as hulu is the same stuff thats already free with an antenna. All the episodes are already free at the provider's website or can be DVR'd from their antenna, or can be found on NetFlix. I see no purpuse at all of Hulu.

I have all three, although I generally don't pay for Hulu+ because I pay with Bing rewards.

There are programs exclusive to each and no you don't need them all unless you want to watch something that is exclusive to each of them.

I'd drop Amazon before the others but the free shipping cuts my effective cost dramatically.

What I'm waiting for is a full ACC Digital Network. When the ACC DN allows you to live stream all conference games and replay them ... I'll happily pay their monthly fee a la MLB.com and then ditch cable.

(09-18-2014 02:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  What I'm waiting for is a full ACC Digital Network. When the ACC DN allows you to live stream all conference games and replay them ... I'll happily pay their monthly fee a la MLB.com and then ditch cable.

That would be the perfect setup for me. But I don't see how that would be feasible if the Acc is to have their own tv network. Seems like the two would be competing against each other. But I would much rather have the digital network if Im able to watch any Acc game that I want to see.

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  What I'm waiting for is a full ACC Digital Network. When the ACC DN allows you to live stream all conference games and replay them ... I'll happily pay their monthly fee a la MLB.com and then ditch cable.

That would be the perfect setup for me. But I don't see how that would be feasible if the Acc is to have their own tv network. Seems like the two would be competing against each other. But I would much rather have the digital network if Im able to watch any Acc game that I want to see.

If the ACC DN holds all rights in the future (say instead of a GOR, all rights are held by the ACC and sublet to Raycom/ESPN/Local Broadcast) then they can freely stipulate they must allow live streams, subject only to federal blackout laws (which the FCC his holding hearings on and may remove).

(09-18-2014 09:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:01 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  What I'm waiting for is a full ACC Digital Network. When the ACC DN allows you to live stream all conference games and replay them ... I'll happily pay their monthly fee a la MLB.com and then ditch cable.

That would be the perfect setup for me. But I don't see how that would be feasible if the Acc is to have their own tv network. Seems like the two would be competing against each other. But I would much rather have the digital network if Im able to watch any Acc game that I want to see.

If the ACC DN holds all rights in the future (say instead of a GOR, all rights are held by the ACC and sublet to Raycom/ESPN/Local Broadcast) then they can freely stipulate they must allow live streams, subject only to federal blackout laws (which the FCC his holding hearings on and may remove).

Well considering how long ESPN holds the rights to the ACC right now- going to be a while before this will happen....

You can go to sports bars and watch all kinds of games now, maybe not every game and you can't record it if you're busy (though it can still be streamed online) but that's another way people can minimize cable.

(09-16-2014 12:39 PM)chess Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:33 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  What's funny about most cord-cutters is that at the end of the day, they end up paying about the same for far less content than with cable/satellite. If people are dropping cable because of a $3/mo. increase in their cable bill, then they are just sticking their head in the sand about all the other indignities of rising costs across the board.

People are cutting the cord because they do not wish to pay $200/month for internet and television. Many times, they are willing to pay for internet. Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu give them what they want.

Even with the increase of population in the US growing...last year was the first time ever that cable/satellite subscribers DROPPED.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19...gains.html

20 somethings today are much more likely to "share" Amazon/Hulu/Netflix accounts to watch some shows...let alone those that even have been able to cut internet service because they live in the few cities/towns with free wifi.

Platform entertainment (cell phones, tablets, computers, XBOX, PS4, etc...), is what many youngsters use today vs those older that still "sit in front of their TV at night". (Of course some use their platforms to connect to their tv to watch shows without cable/sat).

Thats why DirecTV is giving away the Sunday Ticket to new customers...and old ones that complain about high prices.

The 35 plus year run of cable/sat viewership always go up as stopped (even with increase in population/homes, etc...).

Don't think paid TV will go away as quickly has home phone service did...but with young transient population...odds are they won't automatically sign up like those before them always did.

I have been dish/cable free for 3 years and am quite content. Internet, Hulu,(which i might drop) and Netflix cost $55 per month and I am getting almost 30 channels over the air. Add to that streaming CFB over the net, I will never go back.

(09-16-2014 02:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 02:32 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Nobody has NetFlix and Amazon and Hulu. That would be silly, you only need one and there is no need at all for Hulu as hulu is the same stuff thats already free with an antenna. All the episodes are already free at the provider's website or can be DVR'd from their antenna, or can be found on NetFlix. I see no purpuse at all of Hulu.

Not as silly as comparing someone with every channel's cost to someone who is bargain hunting. But yes you sort of do need both Hulu (for current TV) and Netflix (past TV). You may not need both Netflix and Amazon, but many have both since Netflix streaming is TV centric and Amazon Prime is more movie centric, or they have Netflix with DVD's, which is $20 per month. Or maybe they have a DVR service in place of Hulu, but many who cut cords do have both, while claiming to save money. But even with that, you still miss many of the most popular shows on cable, as they protect themselves and don't allow their stuff on Hulu. So unless you are okay with waiting til next year to watch the episode of Breaking Bad from last night (yes I know it is no longer on the air, it was a hypothetical), or waiting until after the game is over to watch a replay on ESPN3, this is STILL not an apt comparison.

(09-16-2014 02:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That used to be true, but its not really the only reason your bill can be high. Its not having a lot of channels that runs my bill up so high---its having a lot of TV's. I get hit with a fee for a converter for each TV. With Comcast, I had to pay $20 bucks for every TV I wanted to receive HD. I had 8 TV's. That was $160 right there.

I have never had Comcast, but I never had that issue. The only boxes I had to pay for were HD boxes, or DVR boxes. And again, if you are comparing having a DVR in each room, it should be compared to having a laptop for streaming in each room. I only have two TV's since I have a one bedroom condo, but they offer now the box that feeds four rooms, if you want it, for one fee. Something like $20 per month. I don't need it, so I don't get it, but just pointing it out.

We just changed to Comcast from UVerse. Have the TV, internet and phone bundle. About $180 for all the services and 3 tvs. $9.99 a month for the equipment for the other two TVs

(09-18-2014 10:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You can go to sports bars and watch all kinds of games now, maybe not every game and you can't record it if you're busy (though it can still be streamed online) but that's another way people can minimize cable.

That will cost you a LOT more money than cable, unless you are they guy who comes in and orders a coke, and gets 30 refills over the next 5 or 6 hours. Seriously though, even being conservative that is $20 per person per week. More if you pull two games. Or over $80 per month, for 3-6 hours. Likely well over $100 if you assume at least once you watch more than one game.

LOL, well I am that guy who goes and orders a soft drink at the bar (I don't drink) and maybe a kid's meal or appetizer.

I have AT&T U-verse, AT&T Cell service, AT&T internet and AT&t land line. You get what you pay for!

There are TV's on all the treadmills of gyms now too that get all the sports channels. If you are going to pay the gym membership either way, you can catch an occasional sports game while actually doing something half-way athletic yourself instead of sitting on couch.

(09-19-2014 11:43 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I have AT&T U-verse, AT&T Cell service, AT&T internet and AT&t land line. You get what you pay for!

Thats not necessarily true, didn't the Oakland Raiders pay JaMarcus Russel $60 million??

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky...-breaking/

(09-19-2014 12:29 PM)Topkat Wrote:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky...-breaking/

Sports & HBO.

I just laugh with all the folks saying sports rights fees bubble. Especially when the NBA is getting set to announce a new deal that's going to double their rights fees. At the pace it's going- it's going to be a long time before anything is going to change anything. Folks have been talking about it for ages- but that end of the day is all it is to most folks- TALK.

(09-16-2014 12:24 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Exhibit 1 (9/15/15):

The Phoenix, Ariz.-based operator, owned by Graham Holdings Company and touting 730,000 subscribers across 19 states, has notified its video subscribers that they'll soon be paying a $2.94 surcharge to help cover the cost of sports licensing.

http://www.fiercecable.com/story/cable-o...JI.twitter

Exhibit 2 (9/11/15):

U.S. pay TV consumers are strongly considering “cutting the cord” — canceling their pay TV subscriptions.
Now 2.9% of TV pay TV consumers are “very likely” to drop their service, according to a survey from Frank N. Magid Associates. This is up from a 2.7% level in 2013 and a 2.2% level in 2012.

Younger TV consumers are at a much higher level to cut their service — 4.9% of 25- to-54-year-olds say they are “very likely” to cut the cord.

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/ar...-cord.html

The article continues that even sports fans and ESPN subscribers have had enough and are wanting out.

The higher the prices, the more that flee, the less people left to have subsidize the sports rights fees, the more prices rise, the more people get fed up.

ACC and Big XII try and implement another conference network and raise prices would be a bad idea.

This is a real threat to the big conferences. I have cable, although I have no idea why I keep it during baseball season. I see no need to pay for the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, MLB, the Big Ten, the Longhorn Network, etc. And I'm pretty sure that my cable bill probably ends up with at least 200-300 dollars a year of charges for sports programming I'm not interested in watching.

I'd keep an eye on Kansas City, where the city is putting in an internet infrastructure not tied to a cable package. Once implemented, people can cut the cord with abandon.

And HBO just allowed cord cutters to subscribe outside of a cable package. Other networks follow suit and it could get ugly - fast. The increasing fees paid out will accelerate the cord cutting process.

HBO is a horrible example to use, because they are a la carte anyway. They are not bundled in with anyone's basic cable fees. It makes sense for them to do that. They don't lose anything at all. Not the same as say ESPN, USA or TNT doing it.

By he way, some of you all impress me with your George Costanza'esque methods of being cheap. I bow to you.

(09-19-2014 11:34 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  LOL, well I am that guy who goes and orders a soft drink at the bar (I don't drink) and maybe a kid's meal or appetizer.

App, soda, and tip still puts you at $10 minimum. That's $40 per month, $50 one of those months (the five saturday month).