(09-16-2014 11:35 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Why the hell are we even talking about this?

Anyway, instead of BYU joining, I would strongly favor picking off 6-8 teams from the AAC, and about 4-6 from the BYU/MWC, and merge the best of them.

Just an example,

East

UConn
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF
UC
Navy
Army

West

Memphis (move Memphis to the East division for b-ball, when Army/Navy don't play)
Houston
SMU (or Tulane)
Boise St
BYU
UNLV
Fresno St.
SDSU

Wouldn't be all bad, really.

You've got the right idea. After you make this conference you immediately begin a PR campaign to be considered a Power Conference with an auto bid to a NYD bowl game.

San Diego state


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I like Colorado State & BYU

I get Army for brand recognition, but really, they are perpetual bottom feeders and always will be. Why the love? Obviously ODU has no portfolio now, but the prospects of playing ECU and Navy (especially at Norfolk) makes me drool. Time, and some impressive seasons, may give us some love.

(09-16-2014 07:18 PM)grapes Wrote:  I like Colorado State & BYU

problem is, they dont like each other

Ga Southern is our best bet

North Dakota State.

But seriously, folks, I would guess Army (and I agree with the ODU poster above re: Army's perception). Honest question, would a program like UL-L spike the conference's interest? I know nothing about them, so I'll defer to the Tulane posters for opinions.

(09-16-2014 07:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I get Army for brand recognition, but really, they are perpetual bottom feeders and always will be. Why the love? Obviously ODU has no portfolio now, but the prospects of playing ECU and Navy (especially at Norfolk) makes me drool. Time, and some impressive seasons, may give us some love.

Army has name recognition and a national following. If you have the Army/Navy game and possibly Air Force the tv contract goes up. Also politically with the power brokers in CFB no one is going to shut these teams out of big time football.

It's a political move more than a "good at football" move. One the AAC must make if they can.

(09-16-2014 12:51 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 11:35 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Why the hell are we even talking about this?

Anyway, instead of BYU joining, I would strongly favor picking off 6-8 teams from the AAC, and about 4-6 from the BYU/MWC, and merge the best of them.

Just an example,

East

UConn
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF
UC
Navy
Army

West

Memphis (move Memphis to the East division for b-ball, when Army/Navy don't play)
Houston
SMU (or Tulane)
Boise St
BYU
UNLV
Fresno St.
SDSU

Wouldn't be all bad, really.

You've got the right idea. After you make this conference you immediately begin a PR campaign to be considered a Power Conference with an auto bid to a NYD bowl game.

I used to like this idea. The "best of the rest" and try and get recognized as a power conference. But we keep forgetting that the cartel is EXCLUSIVE and not INCLUSIVE. There are no criteria we can meet to be called a power conference. The term is a farce. The only good this would do now is to give us a large buffer of teams to keep our spot in the pecking order if the B12 ever decides to expand.

So who brings in the most value as a 14 if BYU is added? Who brings in the best combination of Market, Attendance, Athletic Prowess, Academics, Athletic Budget, Facilities,and Brand Recognition?

SDSU looks to be the best choice immediately if BYU wanted a Western Presence.

For the long haul it would be Old Dominion for a variety of reasons. As a newbie school in FBS they already have: A nice athletic budget, good basketball, good and new market, Only the 3rd FBS school in a large state, The school has resources and are investing into their sports programs.

Bridge the gap with BYU. AF or CSU. If new Mexico wasn't rotten at football I'd pick them. I still have hope for UMASS and Army if BYU won't come.

(09-16-2014 07:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I get Army for brand recognition, but really, they are perpetual bottom feeders and always will be. Why the love? Obviously ODU has no portfolio now, but the prospects of playing ECU and Navy (especially at Norfolk) makes me drool. Time, and some impressive seasons, may give us some love.

Army has name recognition and a national following. If you have the Army/Navy game and possibly Air Force the tv contract goes up. Also politically with the power brokers in CFB no one is going to shut these teams out of big time football.

It's a political move more than a "good at football" move. One the AAC must make if they can.

I don't get this argument. Why would political powers step in now to protect the academies??? They have never done this before. Why now? Is it AAC homerism that fuels this idea? Let me put it this way:AF, Army and Navy join CUSA tomorrow;"will no one shut out the academies' from big time football" then? Would all 3 have to be in the AAC for you to continue to think this way? Be honest.

(09-16-2014 08:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I get Army for brand recognition, but really, they are perpetual bottom feeders and always will be. Why the love? Obviously ODU has no portfolio now, but the prospects of playing ECU and Navy (especially at Norfolk) makes me drool. Time, and some impressive seasons, may give us some love.

Army has name recognition and a national following. If you have the Army/Navy game and possibly Air Force the tv contract goes up. Also politically with the power brokers in CFB no one is going to shut these teams out of big time football.

It's a political move more than a "good at football" move. One the AAC must make if they can.

I don't get this argument. Why would political powers step in now to protect the academies??? They have never done this before. Why now? Is it AAC homerism that fuels this idea? Let me put it this way:AF, Army and Navy join CUSA tomorrow;"will no one shut out the academies' from big time football" then? Would all 3 have to be in the AAC for you to continue to think this way? Be honest.

if all the academies joined c-usa and all pushed to stay in big time football in case of division 4, c-usa would have legislative support to push against that...

it has nothing to do with conference or aac homerism but that the military academies are the MILITARY academies and will have full backing in congress for anything they want to lobby for ...

Army / BYU combo is the game changer. Get the league full of brand names. Not very many others add to the conference. I do like sdsu/UNLV as other options. If we are raiding the c-usa for a team then take either odu or Charlotte.

Having Navy coming in next year is going to be a nice boost for the conference. Adding BYU , the other would be irrelevant. Lots of Trendy picks but I say go for whomever ESPN says will get us all some more dough.

The reason I said sdsu was market, Cali presence, good bball for an all sports invite, wanted to join before bsu backed out, good athletic budget that can support a program, a good bridge with Utah, and pretty competitive teams


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(09-16-2014 08:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 08:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I get Army for brand recognition, but really, they are perpetual bottom feeders and always will be. Why the love? Obviously ODU has no portfolio now, but the prospects of playing ECU and Navy (especially at Norfolk) makes me drool. Time, and some impressive seasons, may give us some love.

Army has name recognition and a national following. If you have the Army/Navy game and possibly Air Force the tv contract goes up. Also politically with the power brokers in CFB no one is going to shut these teams out of big time football.

It's a political move more than a "good at football" move. One the AAC must make if they can.

I don't get this argument. Why would political powers step in now to protect the academies??? They have never done this before. Why now? Is it AAC homerism that fuels this idea? Let me put it this way:AF, Army and Navy join CUSA tomorrow;"will no one shut out the academies' from big time football" then? Would all 3 have to be in the AAC for you to continue to think this way? Be honest.

if all the academies joined c-usa and all pushed to stay in big time football in case of division 4, c-usa would have legislative support to push against that...

it has nothing to do with conference or aac homerism but that the military academies are the MILITARY academies and will have full backing in congress for anything they want to lobby for ...

I wish the military and our relationship with government/political power was actually what the non-military public thought it was. Oh how I wish....

Army has been a joke of a football program for 20 years or more. NO TO ARMY.

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I honestly am not sure on who would make a good 14.

Navy is a FB only but will play in the West Division.

BYU would probably only come as a FB only and it would be STUPID to put them in the East.

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http://theamerican.org/news/2014/5/30/FB...40631.aspx

East:
ECU
UCF
UC
UConn
USF
Temple

West:
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Memphis
*NAVY*

--Short one for divisional basketball in the West.

--If BYU comes for football only that would put the West at 2 short for divisional play outside of football. And one short of divisional play in the East. (assuming even divisions).

--So, basically IF BYU comes:
1) a East FB only if you care to stay at 11 for other sports.
2) a East FB add to offset BYU in the west / BB add to even out divisions as one in the same.


I don't see a good team to add as a East FB only member--that would move to the AAC for FB only that is.

Now my Eastern side multiple sport school could be very interesting.
--USM? A good budget could put them back in the game for football again and their basketball would be decent enough.
--HOW serious would we look at ODU or Charlotte? If they have a good track record in their football programs at the FBS level and they already would have decent enough cred in basketball as well as large media markets... they could be on the table. Obviously football stadium size issues would have to be resolved before they could be solidified as legit choices.
--I see nothing in the SBC footprint that would make a good choice.
--Marshall would have academic issues--possibly USM as well.
--Not sure if a MAC school could be enticed--none have before.

(09-16-2014 09:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 08:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 08:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 07:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I get Army for brand recognition, but really, they are perpetual bottom feeders and always will be. Why the love? Obviously ODU has no portfolio now, but the prospects of playing ECU and Navy (especially at Norfolk) makes me drool. Time, and some impressive seasons, may give us some love.

Army has name recognition and a national following. If you have the Army/Navy game and possibly Air Force the tv contract goes up. Also politically with the power brokers in CFB no one is going to shut these teams out of big time football.

It's a political move more than a "good at football" move. One the AAC must make if they can.

I don't get this argument. Why would political powers step in now to protect the academies??? They have never done this before. Why now? Is it AAC homerism that fuels this idea? Let me put it this way:AF, Army and Navy join CUSA tomorrow;"will no one shut out the academies' from big time football" then? Would all 3 have to be in the AAC for you to continue to think this way? Be honest.

if all the academies joined c-usa and all pushed to stay in big time football in case of division 4, c-usa would have legislative support to push against that...

it has nothing to do with conference or aac homerism but that the military academies are the MILITARY academies and will have full backing in congress for anything they want to lobby for ...

I wish the military and our relationship with government/political power was actually what the non-military public thought it was. Oh how I wish....

no one is saying they are running the government but that they have lobbying power, which you're blind if you dont think so..
during the government shut down last year, when absolutely no funding was supposed to be given to the academies for sports, all the academies were able to secure money threw the legislature for all their games before the shutdown ended. the 3 highest paid pentagon officials are the coaches of the academies..

you are blind if you don't think navy and the academies don't have legislative pull especially on topics of this nature

if navy, army or air force drop to a lower level it will be by choice. if they honestly lobbied to be part of a top division despite the wishes of the ncaa, the ncaa would almost have to accommodate them in some form or another .. you can kick out memphis, houston ecu against their wishes and no one will care...kicking out army and navy against theirs is a different situation..ncaa is already tip toeing a thin line of being a "non-profit" organization

(09-16-2014 09:34 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Army has been a joke of a football program for 20 years or more. NO TO ARMY.

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I honestly am not sure on who would make a good 14.

Navy is a FB only but will play in the West Division.

BYU would probably only come as a FB only and it would be STUPID to put them in the East.

****************
http://theamerican.org/news/2014/5/30/FB...40631.aspx

East:
ECU
UCF
UC
UConn
USF
Temple

West:
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Memphis
*NAVY*

--Short one for divisional basketball in the West.

--If BYU comes for football only that would put the West at 2 short for divisional play outside of football. And one short of divisional play in the East. (assuming even divisions).

--So, basically IF BYU comes:
1) a East FB only if you care to stay at 11 for other sports.
2) a East FB add to offset BYU in the west / BB add to even out divisions as one in the same.


I don't see a good team to add as a East FB only member--that would move to the AAC for FB only that is.

Now my Eastern side multiple sport school could be very interesting.
--USM? A good budget could put them back in the game for football again and their basketball would be decent enough.
--HOW serious would we look at ODU or Charlotte? If they have a good track record in their football programs at the FBS level and they already would have decent enough cred in basketball as well as large media markets... they could be on the table. Obviously football stadium size issues would have to be resolved before they could be solidified as legit choices.
--I see nothing in the SBC footprint that would make a good choice.
--Marshall would have academic issues--possibly USM as well.
--Not sure if a MAC school could be enticed--none have before.

wtf Charlotte and Odu? No more CUSA team except rice. Rice 18th best ranked educational uni!!! Would be rival of UH...

Rive vs Houston rivalry could be that of UCF and USF or Duke and UNC(loll who am I kidding)?!?! Fk the ACC...

Anyway RICE and BYU

ECU
UCF
UC
UConn
USF
Temple
Memphis


Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
BYU
Rice
Navy

Damn what a stable league that would be.... Better than B12

^ Rice? LOL