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EPSN 30 for 30: Pony Express
Just watched it today. Excellent. I have a new respect for SMU football and where you guys have come from.
09-14-2014 07:14 PM
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Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?
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(09-14-2014 07:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?

yes...as in what they had to start with after the death penalty and how far they have had to come from to just be respectable

come on man...did I really have to spell that out?


that and Pony94 is the original bad#!&^
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(09-14-2014 07:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 07:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?

yes...as in what they had to start with after the death penalty and how far they have had to come from to just be respectable

come on man...did I really have to spell that out?

I was kidding. Just thought your comment was ironic.
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(09-14-2014 07:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 07:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 07:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?

yes...as in what they had to start with after the death penalty and how far they have had to come from to just be respectable

come on man...did I really have to spell that out?

I was kidding. Just thought your comment was ironic.

haha ok, it's all good
09-14-2014 07:21 PM
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(09-14-2014 07:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 07:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?

yes...as in what they had to start with after the death penalty and how far they have had to come from to just be respectable

come on man...did I really have to spell that out?


that and Pony94 is the original bad#!&^


As was said to 94 at 1 am, jan 1 1996, while strolling thru the projects on the far west side of manhattan,"you got balls, mother fugger"
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I love when the school leaders get busted on camera. That was awesome.
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(09-14-2014 07:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 07:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?

yes...as in what they had to start with after the death penalty and how far they have had to come from to just be respectable

come on man...did I really have to spell that out?


that and Pony94 is the original bad#!&^

I think they used that crutch way to long myself. Seriously when you are blaming something that happened 20 years ago several coaches removed and generations of college students it's stops being an excuse IMO. After 10 years of recovery there was really no excuse why the couldn't compete in the WAC.

SMU has all the tools to be successful, great facilites, big time money, fertile recruiting, many poorer peers they should have dominated in the WAC and CUSA 2.0. Frankly they've underachieved with what they had IMO.
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What you may not know is that after the scandal, the newly hired President de-emphasized sports at SMU hurting football the most. He installed Draculean recruiting restrictions on the coaches. That of course made coming back from the DP even more difficult. JJ helped us, but the right new coach will save us.
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(09-14-2014 07:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wait, a program detailing one of the most corrupt scandals to ever envelope college athletics gives you a feeling of respect for SMU?

I little hyperbole employed there?

Was the scandal worse than at Penn State? Which IMHO FAR, FAR exceeded what happened at SMU, and should easily be considered the worst college scandal of all time. And the investigators only scratched the surface of that one before sweeping it under the rug. You usually don't pay $60 million to victims unless you were involved in protecting and/or at least enabling a predator to roam free on your campus for 40 years. No telling how many lives were impacted by PSUs inaction. There is nothing happy in that valley.
Or what about the academic scandal at North Carolina? Fake classes seems to undermine the whole purpose of COLLEGE athletics in my mind, and would require the assistance of many administrative folks to be successful.
Or was SMU really worse than the scandals at Miami, USC, Ohio State, or pick any school in the SEC that have been caught since the 80s?

SMUs punishment was certainly noteworthy for its severity, and warranted based on the rules at the time - I make no excuse for what SMU did, nor do I defend their behavior. However, I believe a little perspective is needed. 40 years enabling a child molester, or a decade of fictional classes to keep players eligible seems a wee bit more scandalous to me than some hundred dollar handshakes, a car, or a job for momma, especially in an age where folks are actively lobbying for player compensation.

To answer StillJonesing's point - You are correct the DP was used as a crutch. The more crippling issues came from SMUs own recruiting/academic restrictions which made it impossible to recruit on a level playing field with any other FBS team. The second major blow was the end of the SWC and the banishment to the WAC. SMU was now in a severe disadvantage recruiting against our historic rivals in Texas. Number three was some poor coaching hires. Not until Jones was hired, and we landed in CUSA, did SMU reach a point where it could begin to compete with its conference mates on a somewhat equal footing. The next hire will be critical to take the next step forward.
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That 1982 team was incredibly good. Micheal Carter, Russell Carter, Wes Hopkins, Craig James, Eric Dickerson & more....
How Penn State was given the "national championship" that year was a joke.
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(09-15-2014 10:36 AM)AusTxPony Wrote:  What you may not know is that after the scandal, the newly hired President de-emphasized sports at SMU hurting football the most. He installed Draculean recruiting restrictions on the coaches. That of course made coming back from the DP even more difficult. JJ helped us, but the right new coach will save us.

Schools like Northwestern and Stanford figured that out even back then in much stronger conferences. You still had a namebrand and you went from the Big 8 to the WAC. You should have still should have had some winning seasons.
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(09-15-2014 11:13 AM)wave97 Wrote:  That 1982 team was incredibly good. Micheal Carter, Russell Carter, Wes Hopkins, Craig James, Eric Dickerson & more....
How Penn State was given the "national championship" that year was a joke.


The one kid that we hated (and respected) was their QB, McIlhenney. He was the actual leader of that team. He was tough, smart, and had complete control over their offense. We split with the Express from 1979 - 1982 (each team won twice); but McIlhenney was the key to those teams.
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The director is working on The Boz

http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=brianandtheboz
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