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Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
...and why? Also, has this year been a net gain or loss?
09-14-2014 10:33 AM
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
Unranked ACC teams beating top 10 teams in back to back weeks is always a good week. However, the league looks like it only has one great team and a bunch of good/solid teams. The league might not have that many teams ranked at the end of the year but it will be like last year where 11 or 12 teams have 6 wins.

I think it's a net gain this year if only because the B1G has so clearly fallen behind that by virtue of being better than them the ACC doesn't get as much crap anymore.
09-14-2014 10:43 AM
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Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
Yes, but how many conferences truly have more than 1 great team? There usually is 1 great team, some good teams, some average teams, and some bad teams. We are no different than any other conference.

To answer your question, I think we maintained the status quo. But it is still early in the season. After next week the big picture will become much more clear.


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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
This week felt like a net loss, even though BC edged top ten Southern Cal... we had two ranked teams lose - and there were two loses to the G5 and some other G5 scares that were avoided by Ga.Tech (barely), Miami, and Pitt!

However, I agree with the sentiments above, about the year-to-date being a net gain -- may be not because of our own successes, but by repeating last years depth and having the B1G so weak!
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Re: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
When you can have perceived teams from the lower half of your conference beat teams from the upper half of another power conference that is always good so its definitely a gain for the season. VT loss to ECU is a setback but ECU is a good team.

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09-14-2014 11:10 AM
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
I think it's a net gain.

People notice the "big" wins over top 10 teams a lot more than struggling against lower-mid level opponents, like GT and Pitt did.
09-14-2014 12:09 PM
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
It was a net gain. BC's upset of USC backed up nicely VT's win over Ohio State last week.

Yes, VT was then upset at home by ECU, but it's still a young VT team that simply got bit by the "letdown" game syndrome that often happens with young teams. If they learn from this and the coaches motivate them with this loss, VT will be 10-2 and have a good shot of being the Coastal divisional champ.

And yes, the ACC is a one-team contender again with FSU, but unlike other seasons where the 5 or 6 best of the rest finished with average win totals and middling reputations, I think this year's 5 or 6 best of the rest will finish with slightly better than average win totals and have solid up-and-coming reputations leading into next season.

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09-14-2014 12:37 PM
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
How young are the teams in the ACC? I know in Pitt's case that 11 of their starting lineup entering the season were sophomores including their 3 offensive stars Voytik, Conner, and Boyd so if Pitt is successful this year and gets 8-9 wins, they'll be very highly regarded entering next year. That said, the youth can cause the team to come out flat when you're playing on the road against a team like FIU. I was actually impressed with the team when they dominated after the first quarter. You have to take some of that into account when judging success.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
(09-14-2014 12:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Yes, VT was then upset at home by ECU, but it's still a young VT team that simply got bit by the "letdown" game syndrome that often happens with young teams.

How are they young?

14 of 24 spots on their defensive depth chart and 15 of 27 spots on the offensive depth chart are players with 3 or more years in college.
09-14-2014 01:16 PM
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
This week was a loss in many ways, but positives can be brought from it honestly. The ACC has a couple of high profile games next weekend. I don't know what would be better for the conference Clemson or FSU winning (probably FSU in terms of keeping a National Title Contender), but it is going to be a high profile College Gameday exposure for the ACC. Miami has a chance to continue the "Upset" special the ACC has going for it right now if they can beat Nebraska. Also 9 ACC teams are ranked or receiving votes, including UVA and Pitt.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
(09-14-2014 01:31 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  This week was a loss in many ways, but positives can be brought from it honestly. The ACC has a couple of high profile games next weekend. I don't know what would be better for the conference Clemson or FSU winning (probably FSU in terms of keeping a National Title Contender), but it is going to be a high profile College Gameday exposure for the ACC. Miami has a chance to continue the "Upset" special the ACC has going for it right now if they can beat Nebraska. Also 9 ACC teams are ranked or receiving votes, including UVA and Pitt.

VT laying a big ole turkey egg really set the conference back. imagine if VT had won AND BC upset USC... but, no.

I agree that the ACC has plenty of opportunities next weekend. Pitt must beat Iowa and Miami must beat Nebraska - that will finish off the Big Ten and raise the overall ACC profile another couple of notches.

A pessimist would say the ACC has ONLY 2 ranked teams, with one of them about to lose next week. However, a more realistic view is that the ACC has 7 teams just outside the top 25 waiting to get in - and some of them will as the season progresses.
I'm guessing the ACC ends the season with 5 teams in the top 25.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
Even with VT's loss, I still saw it as a gain for the conference. VT has plenty of time to shake off that loss and make it back into the rankings. I see it as a gain because for the 3rd week in a row, the ACC has beaten a quality OOC opponent in primetime. Also, no one is getting blow out. I know Clemson lost handily to Georgia but that was a 3 point game into the 4th quarter. Anyone who watched that game knew Clemson's defense just got tired because the offense took a vacation in the second half.

When was the last time Syracuse beat anyone by 37 on the road? NC State hadn't won a road game in forever and won by 32. Duke beat somebody 41-3? UVA almost beat UCLA in the first week, then they pull the upset over 'Ville. Why is that a problem? Louisville shouldn't have been able to just walk into the ACC and dominate.

Through the first 3 weeks, the conference appears to be much better than previous years. I get the rankings don't show it yet, but 8 schools are getting votes in the AP poll. If Miami shocks Nebraska, that will be 9.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
I don't know how the Pitt game is considered a scare. FIU started led 16-0 after the 1Q and Pitt went on a 42-9 roll after that. The score could've been a little more lopsided if it weren't for a couple of fumbles inside the redzone early in the game.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
(09-14-2014 01:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 12:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Yes, VT was then upset at home by ECU, but it's still a young VT team that simply got bit by the "letdown" game syndrome that often happens with young teams.

How are they young?

14 of 24 spots on their defensive depth chart and 15 of 27 spots on the offensive depth chart are players with 3 or more years in college.

Their key offensive skill players are young with both leading RBs and three of their top 4 receivers all being frosh. Brewer, while being a junior transfer, comes in with very little game experience having attempted a total of 58 passes in two games.

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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
Next week will be crucial for the league with 3 more games against Power 5 schools. Pitt should handle Iowa, Miami could get Nebraska, and I think Syracuse takes care of Maryland. I'm pulling for UVA to beat BYU as well. I think worst case scenario is 2-2
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
Being a Pitt fan I know how let downs come, especially out of conference. I think I mentioned before Pitt has never went undefeated OOC since joining a league… So Iowa and Akron scare me, although I know we are better than both of them.

I think UVA/BYU will be a good game. BYU will be out to prove something, and honestly UVA will be too
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Iowa hasn't looked good. Nearly losing to Bowling Green then Losing to an Iowa State team that lost to and FCS school. Pitt over Iowa is a lock.
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(09-14-2014 04:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Iowa hasn't looked good. Nearly losing to Bowling Green then Losing to an Iowa State team that lost to and FCS school. Pitt over Iowa is a lock.

You don't know Pitt then because they are never a lock.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
This week could be critical when it comes to perception of the ACC. Right now, we are a clear cut fourth out of five in the power conferences. And the B1G is everybody's favorite whipping boy. But that could change.

We have three games against B1G opponents. It's hardly outside the realm of possibility that we lose all three - Miami/Nebraska, Pitt/Iowa and Syracuse/Maryland. There are also three non-P5 games that could prove troublesome: UNC/ECU, UVa/BYU and WFU/Army. If we were to lose all six of these games, the narrative might change quickly.

After that, we would have eight P5 games left - 4 against Notre Dame, plus the traditional SEC rivalry games. Recently, we haven't exactly shone in those. So, we really could use a headstart this week by sweeping the B1G. Then the deep hole the B1G has dug will be a bottomless pit that will ensure they bring up the rear in the P5.
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RE: Was this week a net gain or loss for the conference?
(09-14-2014 10:33 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  ...and why? Also, has this year been a net gain or loss?

At best -- a push.

Boston College beating Southern Cal… good.

I'm delighted to see my alma mater beat VT. That said, VT needed to follow up that huge Ohio State triumph with a win.

Push.
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