(09-18-2014 10:25 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:21 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I remember the 2011 team pretty well same for the 2010 team.

But I also remember the highly ranked team that ended up being 4-8 or whatever with losses to ULM and Rutgers. Not trying to troll, but those really stick out, probably because it's easier to have bad things than good things stick out.

I think record wise this year won't show how improved Arkansas is. I'd like to see them beat at least one west opponent. I think miss state is a good chance and id love to see an Alabama upset.

I think we will upset a few folks actually. I think Ole Miss, Miss State, and Mizzou are all gettable games. I also think we will have a shot against A&M.

We learned quite a bit from the Auburn game and it has shown.

I'm not sure any team would have come out better from the Petrino fiasco. As soon as that motorcycle hit the ground, we were doomed for the next 2 years.

I agree with the Petrino thing. That was messed up. I'll give you mizzou and ole miss as well as miss state like I said.

I think A&M will be ugly, that's just my opinion. I think with their offense they have a really good shot to win the conference.

(09-18-2014 10:29 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:25 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:21 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I remember the 2011 team pretty well same for the 2010 team.

But I also remember the highly ranked team that ended up being 4-8 or whatever with losses to ULM and Rutgers. Not trying to troll, but those really stick out, probably because it's easier to have bad things than good things stick out.

I think record wise this year won't show how improved Arkansas is. I'd like to see them beat at least one west opponent. I think miss state is a good chance and id love to see an Alabama upset.

I think we will upset a few folks actually. I think Ole Miss, Miss State, and Mizzou are all gettable games. I also think we will have a shot against A&M.

We learned quite a bit from the Auburn game and it has shown.

I'm not sure any team would have come out better from the Petrino fiasco. As soon as that motorcycle hit the ground, we were doomed for the next 2 years.

I agree with the Petrino thing. That was messed up. I'll give you mizzou and ole miss as well as miss state like I said.

I think A&M will be ugly, that's just my opinion. I think with their offense they have a really good shot to win the conference.

Their defense is still terrible. They gave up 240 yards on the ground and 481 total to Rice last week. Rice just couldn't convert points.

Same story with aTm. Ball control offenses will be their undoing. Just like last year.

The state of Texas has great high school football, but tough, hard nosed defensive linemen they don't produce.

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

The first SEC title game our RB broke his leg in the first quarter and we were done.

The second title game we got our ass kicked

The third one we had a chance to win and a fella named Reggie Fish fumbled a punt that gave Tebow and company the game. Still think McFadden should have won the Heisman that year but I digress.

(09-18-2014 04:47 PM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

The first SEC title game our RB broke his leg in the first quarter and we were done.

The second title game we got our ass kicked

The third one we had a chance to win and a fella named Reggie Fish fumbled a punt that gave Tebow and company the game. Still think McFadden should have won the Heisman that year but I digress.

NIU was headed to a BCS bowl last year....until they lost the MACC game. And it was an absolute curb stomping, too. NIU has also lost 2 MACC's on TD passes in the final 33 seconds.

Some definite Icarus moments.

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

Yes, that is rough. 2006 was probably the roughest. McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis,man offensive line littered with All Americans, two top 31 NFL draft picks on defense. Man, Houston Nutt.

I actually think our 2010 team was the best recently. Arkansas went 10-2 in the regular season and led Auburn and Alabama in the fourth quarters of those games....that's just how close we were.

(09-19-2014 09:05 AM)Swine1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

Yes, that is rough. 2006 was probably the roughest. McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis,man offensive line littered with All Americans, two top 31 NFL draft picks on defense. Man, Houston Nutt.

I actually think our 2010 team was the best recently. Arkansas went 10-2 in the regular season and led Auburn and Alabama in the fourth quarters of those games....that's just how close we were.

Why did Nutt leave? He was great at Arkansas.....was the school just not willing to pay him?

(09-19-2014 11:28 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:05 AM)Swine1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

Yes, that is rough. 2006 was probably the roughest. McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis,man offensive line littered with All Americans, two top 31 NFL draft picks on defense. Man, Houston Nutt.

I actually think our 2010 team was the best recently. Arkansas went 10-2 in the regular season and led Auburn and Alabama in the fourth quarters of those games....that's just how close we were.

Why did Nutt leave? He was great at Arkansas.....was the school just not willing to pay him?

I worked with Nutt for a 3 seasons shooting His Coach's Show... The Dude is a Psychopath, crazier than a sh*t house rat. I am sure some other posters will bring you up to speed but we should have had 1-2 NC's if it were not for his ineptitude, lack of developing a qb, turning players against one another, having his favorite players physically and mentally punishing other players and more. More Drama than a Mexican Tele-novella.

(09-19-2014 11:39 AM)Pigs in Zen Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:28 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:05 AM)Swine1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

Yes, that is rough. 2006 was probably the roughest. McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis,man offensive line littered with All Americans, two top 31 NFL draft picks on defense. Man, Houston Nutt.

I actually think our 2010 team was the best recently. Arkansas went 10-2 in the regular season and led Auburn and Alabama in the fourth quarters of those games....that's just how close we were.

Why did Nutt leave? He was great at Arkansas.....was the school just not willing to pay him?

I worked with Nutt for a 3 seasons shooting His Coach's Show... The Dude is a Psychopath, crazier than a sh*t house rat. I am sure some other posters will bring you up to speed but we should have had 1-2 NC's if it were not for his ineptitude, lack of developing a qb, turning players against one another, having his favorite players physically and mentally punishing other players and more. More Drama than a Mexican Tele-novella.

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

I find this post not well thought out...excluding John L. Smith's year after Petrino was fired and Bielema's first year in which a complete over-haul of the team was required, we had a lot of nice W's over the years....in 2006 we went 7-1 in the SEC, now imagine NIU winning 7 games in the SEC in one season....see where I'm going here, the definition of NIU winning a big game and ARK winning a big game is two totally different animals...we play what you guys would consider "games of the season" every week in conference play...try playing Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Mizzou and Georgia in one season...then get back to me on not having any big wins...ANY of those teams would be prized wins for your program, but they are just another game for us. And believe me, we consider NIU just as important of a game as any SEC game right now because we hit rock bottom last year. The UA is getting better, but there is still a long way to go since we were playing LSU in 2011 for the SEC West and likely the NC and had a 14-0 lead in the first quarter at Baton Rouge....a long way to go....so if you are going to get us, better get us now, or now will turn into never. That is not smack, just fact.

(09-19-2014 11:58 AM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

I find this post not well thought out...excluding John L. Smith's year after Petrino was fired and Bielema's first year in which a complete over-haul of the team was required, we had a lot of nice W's over the years....in 2006 we went 7-1 in the SEC, now imagine NIU winning 7 games in the SEC in one season....see where I'm going here, the definition of NIU winning a big game and ARK winning a big game is two totally different animals...we play what you guys would consider "games of the season" every week in conference play...try playing Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Mizzou and Georgia in one season...then get back to me on not having any big wins...ANY of those teams would be prized wins for your program, but they are just another game for us. And believe me, we consider NIU just as important of a game as any SEC game right now because we hit rock bottom last year. The UA is getting better, but there is still a long way to go since we were playing LSU in 2011 for the SEC West and likely the NC and had a 14-0 lead in the first quarter at Baton Rouge....a long way to go....so if you are going to get us, better get us now, or now will turn into never. That is not smack, just fact.

Look, I'm speaking from a midwestern focused/national perspective. I'm just saying that OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I can't remember too many great Arkansas wins. That's all. I went on to say that Arkansas, outside the two year blip, is usually a respectable program.

Usually, without looking into it because I don't care that much, I think of Arkansas as a middle'ish SEC program that has a shot to win the SEC title about twice a decade. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care. It's just the impression I get.

And comparing Arkansas and NIU is not really a good comparison. And you were condescending as hell going about it.

(09-19-2014 11:39 AM)Pigs in Zen Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:28 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 09:05 AM)Swine1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 11:24 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:09 AM)hogfan#1 Wrote:  We've had several. The problem was that none of them ended up meaning anything. It's been a rough 2 years though. Arkansas fans and the team are hungry for a small taste of success. Bielema brings stability and a brand of football that Arkansas is familiar with and has had success with.

I looked into it, and your guys are 0-3 in SEC title games. That's rough. I'm sure Cubs fans around here can relate.

But yeah, other than the 2 year Petrino thing, Arkansas is usually very respectable.

Yes, that is rough. 2006 was probably the roughest. McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis,man offensive line littered with All Americans, two top 31 NFL draft picks on defense. Man, Houston Nutt.

I actually think our 2010 team was the best recently. Arkansas went 10-2 in the regular season and led Auburn and Alabama in the fourth quarters of those games....that's just how close we were.

Why did Nutt leave? He was great at Arkansas.....was the school just not willing to pay him?

I worked with Nutt for a 3 seasons shooting His Coach's Show... The Dude is a Psychopath, crazier than a sh*t house rat. I am sure some other posters will bring you up to speed but we should have had 1-2 NC's if it were not for his ineptitude, lack of developing a qb, turning players against one another, having his favorite players physically and mentally punishing other players and more. More Drama than a Mexican Tele-novella.

I've heard people say he's crazy, but I thought that was mostly bad puns because his name is "Nutt."

(09-19-2014 12:41 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:58 AM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

I find this post not well thought out...excluding John L. Smith's year after Petrino was fired and Bielema's first year in which a complete over-haul of the team was required, we had a lot of nice W's over the years....in 2006 we went 7-1 in the SEC, now imagine NIU winning 7 games in the SEC in one season....see where I'm going here, the definition of NIU winning a big game and ARK winning a big game is two totally different animals...we play what you guys would consider "games of the season" every week in conference play...try playing Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Mizzou and Georgia in one season...then get back to me on not having any big wins...ANY of those teams would be prized wins for your program, but they are just another game for us. And believe me, we consider NIU just as important of a game as any SEC game right now because we hit rock bottom last year. The UA is getting better, but there is still a long way to go since we were playing LSU in 2011 for the SEC West and likely the NC and had a 14-0 lead in the first quarter at Baton Rouge....a long way to go....so if you are going to get us, better get us now, or now will turn into never. That is not smack, just fact.

Look, I'm speaking from a midwestern focused/national perspective. I'm just saying that OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I can't remember too many great Arkansas wins. That's all. I went on to say that Arkansas, outside the two year blip, is usually a respectable program.

Usually, without looking into it because I don't care that much, I think of Arkansas as a middle'ish SEC program that has a shot to win the SEC title about twice a decade. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care. It's just the impression I get.

And comparing Arkansas and NIU is not really a good comparison. And you were condescending as hell going about it.

Comparing Arkansas and NIU is a valid comparison. After all, we are playing football against one another in just over 30 hours or so. Condescending ? I gave NIU their just props stating that ARK considered this game just as important as any SEC game. Now if you want UA fans to get on hands and knee's and drivel some type of "we are not worthy" trash, well, that's just not going to happen. Razorback Nation respects NIU as a worthy opponent, nothing more nothing less. May the best team win.

(09-19-2014 12:52 PM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:41 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:58 AM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 04:36 PM)The Wildhog Wrote:  Honestly, after the past couple of years, I'm just glad to have something to be excited about. These have been some dark times for our program/fans.

Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

I find this post not well thought out...excluding John L. Smith's year after Petrino was fired and Bielema's first year in which a complete over-haul of the team was required, we had a lot of nice W's over the years....in 2006 we went 7-1 in the SEC, now imagine NIU winning 7 games in the SEC in one season....see where I'm going here, the definition of NIU winning a big game and ARK winning a big game is two totally different animals...we play what you guys would consider "games of the season" every week in conference play...try playing Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Mizzou and Georgia in one season...then get back to me on not having any big wins...ANY of those teams would be prized wins for your program, but they are just another game for us. And believe me, we consider NIU just as important of a game as any SEC game right now because we hit rock bottom last year. The UA is getting better, but there is still a long way to go since we were playing LSU in 2011 for the SEC West and likely the NC and had a 14-0 lead in the first quarter at Baton Rouge....a long way to go....so if you are going to get us, better get us now, or now will turn into never. That is not smack, just fact.

Look, I'm speaking from a midwestern focused/national perspective. I'm just saying that OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I can't remember too many great Arkansas wins. That's all. I went on to say that Arkansas, outside the two year blip, is usually a respectable program.

Usually, without looking into it because I don't care that much, I think of Arkansas as a middle'ish SEC program that has a shot to win the SEC title about twice a decade. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care. It's just the impression I get.

And comparing Arkansas and NIU is not really a good comparison. And you were condescending as hell going about it.

Comparing Arkansas and NIU is a valid comparison. After all, we are playing football against one another in just over 30 hours or so. Condescending ? I gave NIU their just props stating that ARK considered this game just as important as any SEC game. Now if you want UA fans to get on hands and knee's and drivel some type of "we are not worthy" trash, well, that's just not going to happen. Razorback Nation respects NIU as a worthy opponent, nothing more nothing less. May the best team win.

That part I bolded isn't condescending?

I never at any point said anything about bowing down and I don't care what your "nation" thinks, or to have you speak for Akransas, either... speak for yourself. And I don't care about respect even a little.

It's a bad comparison because NIU could never play those teams regularly, and even if they could, they'd never play NIU at NIU. You can't compare the schedules or athletic budgets at all (so expectations should probably be different), is what I was saying, I probably should've gone into more detail. If NIU got shots at home versus SEC teams ever year, they'd beat some of them, eventually.

The conference dictates for the most part the success of your program. If we played more P5 conference games at home, our revenue would go up and the skill level of our recruiting classes would increase. I would consider us the class of the MAC now, but we are still buy a rating scale, are not having the best recruiting classes in the MAC. The success were having is because of the culture that has been created and the coaches preaching and coaching up the talent we are able to grab. Eventually those who don't have enough talent to start right away in P5 will go to the strongest Mid Major. 4 years of 11 plus wins should help us build that reputation. Not sure it has happened yet. I think if we continue with the success were having, some conference will open the door for us.

I think comparing the two programs can not be a simple formula. Like comparing the Yankee's to Seattle. NIU and the MAC have now where near the Clout of the SEC or Arkansas. We don't have the money, we don't get as many nationally televised games. It's much harder for us to recruit players, especially with the budget we have.

If you want to compare programs. How about looking at how much both teams spend for a win per season? I think we've proven how good we can be with what little we have.

I'd love to have a 70,000 cap stadium and the revenue that Arkansas has, or the scheduling. Just think of what we could do with 10x the resources we currently have.

(09-19-2014 01:30 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:52 PM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:41 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:58 AM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 02:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Yeah, not to troll or anything, but I can only remember a few really good Arkansas wins recently (The Miracles on Markham games, mostly. Though the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State was a good comeback, even though Arkansas lost).

I find this post not well thought out...excluding John L. Smith's year after Petrino was fired and Bielema's first year in which a complete over-haul of the team was required, we had a lot of nice W's over the years....in 2006 we went 7-1 in the SEC, now imagine NIU winning 7 games in the SEC in one season....see where I'm going here, the definition of NIU winning a big game and ARK winning a big game is two totally different animals...we play what you guys would consider "games of the season" every week in conference play...try playing Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Mizzou and Georgia in one season...then get back to me on not having any big wins...ANY of those teams would be prized wins for your program, but they are just another game for us. And believe me, we consider NIU just as important of a game as any SEC game right now because we hit rock bottom last year. The UA is getting better, but there is still a long way to go since we were playing LSU in 2011 for the SEC West and likely the NC and had a 14-0 lead in the first quarter at Baton Rouge....a long way to go....so if you are going to get us, better get us now, or now will turn into never. That is not smack, just fact.

Look, I'm speaking from a midwestern focused/national perspective. I'm just saying that OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I can't remember too many great Arkansas wins. That's all. I went on to say that Arkansas, outside the two year blip, is usually a respectable program.

Usually, without looking into it because I don't care that much, I think of Arkansas as a middle'ish SEC program that has a shot to win the SEC title about twice a decade. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care. It's just the impression I get.

And comparing Arkansas and NIU is not really a good comparison. And you were condescending as hell going about it.

Comparing Arkansas and NIU is a valid comparison. After all, we are playing football against one another in just over 30 hours or so. Condescending ? I gave NIU their just props stating that ARK considered this game just as important as any SEC game. Now if you want UA fans to get on hands and knee's and drivel some type of "we are not worthy" trash, well, that's just not going to happen. Razorback Nation respects NIU as a worthy opponent, nothing more nothing less. May the best team win.

That part I bolded isn't condescending?

I never at any point said anything about bowing down and I don't care what your "nation" thinks, or to have you speak for Akransas, either... speak for yourself. And I don't care about respect even a little.

It's a bad comparison because NIU could never play those teams regularly, and even if they could, they'd never play NIU at NIU. You can't compare the schedules or athletic budgets at all (so expectations should probably be different), is what I was saying, I probably should've gone into more detail. If NIU got shots at home versus SEC teams ever year, they'd beat some of them, eventually.

home and home ? well, don't take the check the UA cuts you to come down here...no one pays us except Jerry Jones to play out our 10 game series with A&M at AT&T Cowboys Stadium..matter of fact, maybe we can get Jerry to allow NIU to play the Hogs at Cowboys Stadium since Jerry is one of 7 billionaire alumni we have in our booster club...now the last two years was home and home but the first 3 games (non conference at the time as A&M was still in the Big 12)...Arkansas leads that series all-time 27-15-3, but to listen to the national pundits you'd think that A&M owned the Hogs...far, far from it...I'd love to play NIU at Arlington, the Hogs are a stellar 4-0 in the House that Jerry Built...3 beatdowns of A&M and one beatdown of Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl...let's get that done...one caveat, NIU would have to be able to guarantee 30k in ticket sales....if you can do that, I'm sure Uncle Jerrah would be more than willing to let us play you guys there on a yearly basis

(09-19-2014 02:41 PM)shack66 Wrote:  The conference dictates for the most part the success of your program. If we played more P5 conference games at home, our revenue would go up and the skill level of our recruiting classes would increase. I would consider us the class of the MAC now, but we are still buy a rating scale, are not having the best recruiting classes in the MAC. The success were having is because of the culture that has been created and the coaches preaching and coaching up the talent we are able to grab. Eventually those who don't have enough talent to start right away in P5 will go to the strongest Mid Major. 4 years of 11 plus wins should help us build that reputation. Not sure it has happened yet. I think if we continue with the success were having, some conference will open the door for us.

I think comparing the two programs can not be a simple formula. Like comparing the Yankee's to Seattle. NIU and the MAC have now where near the Clout of the SEC or Arkansas. We don't have the money, we don't get as many nationally televised games. It's much harder for us to recruit players, especially with the budget we have.

If you want to compare programs. How about looking at how much both teams spend for a win per season? I think we've proven how good we can be with what little we have.

I'd love to have a 70,000 cap stadium and the revenue that Arkansas has, or the scheduling. Just think of what we could do with 10x the resources we currently have.

That's all pretty fair. I do like your program, and appreciate that you guys "overachieve". Everybody likes the underdog, and I suppose you guys would be considered that tomorrow...though your program has been much more stable than ours over the past decade. We are seeing a team come together, show discipline, appears well coached, etc., and that has us excited. It has been the status quo in Dekalb.

(09-19-2014 02:41 PM)shack66 Wrote:  The conference dictates for the most part the success of your program. If we played more P5 conference games at home, our revenue would go up and the skill level of our recruiting classes would increase. I would consider us the class of the MAC now, but we are still buy a rating scale, are not having the best recruiting classes in the MAC. The success were having is because of the culture that has been created and the coaches preaching and coaching up the talent we are able to grab. Eventually those who don't have enough talent to start right away in P5 will go to the strongest Mid Major. 4 years of 11 plus wins should help us build that reputation. Not sure it has happened yet. I think if we continue with the success were having, some conference will open the door for us.

I think comparing the two programs can not be a simple formula. Like comparing the Yankee's to Seattle. NIU and the MAC have now where near the Clout of the SEC or Arkansas. We don't have the money, we don't get as many nationally televised games. It's much harder for us to recruit players, especially with the budget we have.

If you want to compare programs. How about looking at how much both teams spend for a win per season? I think we've proven how good we can be with what little we have.

I'd love to have a 70,000 cap stadium and the revenue that Arkansas has, or the scheduling. Just think of what we could do with 10x the resources we currently have.

you make some very good points, we are who we are......but some very positive moves by our AD, scheduling home and home series with some good programs should help NIU continue to build our school's reputation and hopefully give us a shot at a bigger conference

Like I said earlier, you guys are probably already the best team in the Big10... They should take you guys in.

(09-19-2014 06:14 PM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:30 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:52 PM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:41 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:58 AM)HogtiedXX Wrote:  I find this post not well thought out...excluding John L. Smith's year after Petrino was fired and Bielema's first year in which a complete over-haul of the team was required, we had a lot of nice W's over the years....in 2006 we went 7-1 in the SEC, now imagine NIU winning 7 games in the SEC in one season....see where I'm going here, the definition of NIU winning a big game and ARK winning a big game is two totally different animals...we play what you guys would consider "games of the season" every week in conference play...try playing Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Mizzou and Georgia in one season...then get back to me on not having any big wins...ANY of those teams would be prized wins for your program, but they are just another game for us. And believe me, we consider NIU just as important of a game as any SEC game right now because we hit rock bottom last year. The UA is getting better, but there is still a long way to go since we were playing LSU in 2011 for the SEC West and likely the NC and had a 14-0 lead in the first quarter at Baton Rouge....a long way to go....so if you are going to get us, better get us now, or now will turn into never. That is not smack, just fact.

Look, I'm speaking from a midwestern focused/national perspective. I'm just saying that OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I can't remember too many great Arkansas wins. That's all. I went on to say that Arkansas, outside the two year blip, is usually a respectable program.

Usually, without looking into it because I don't care that much, I think of Arkansas as a middle'ish SEC program that has a shot to win the SEC title about twice a decade. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care. It's just the impression I get.

And comparing Arkansas and NIU is not really a good comparison. And you were condescending as hell going about it.

Comparing Arkansas and NIU is a valid comparison. After all, we are playing football against one another in just over 30 hours or so. Condescending ? I gave NIU their just props stating that ARK considered this game just as important as any SEC game. Now if you want UA fans to get on hands and knee's and drivel some type of "we are not worthy" trash, well, that's just not going to happen. Razorback Nation respects NIU as a worthy opponent, nothing more nothing less. May the best team win.

That part I bolded isn't condescending?

I never at any point said anything about bowing down and I don't care what your "nation" thinks, or to have you speak for Akransas, either... speak for yourself. And I don't care about respect even a little.

It's a bad comparison because NIU could never play those teams regularly, and even if they could, they'd never play NIU at NIU. You can't compare the schedules or athletic budgets at all (so expectations should probably be different), is what I was saying, I probably should've gone into more detail. If NIU got shots at home versus SEC teams ever year, they'd beat some of them, eventually.

home and home ? well, don't take the check the UA cuts you to come down here...no one pays us except Jerry Jones to play out our 10 game series with A&M at AT&T Cowboys Stadium..matter of fact, maybe we can get Jerry to allow NIU to play the Hogs at Cowboys Stadium since Jerry is one of 7 billionaire alumni we have in our booster club...now the last two years was home and home but the first 3 games (non conference at the time as A&M was still in the Big 12)...Arkansas leads that series all-time 27-15-3, but to listen to the national pundits you'd think that A&M owned the Hogs...far, far from it...I'd love to play NIU at Arlington, the Hogs are a stellar 4-0 in the House that Jerry Built...3 beatdowns of A&M and one beatdown of Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl...let's get that done...one caveat, NIU would have to be able to guarantee 30k in ticket sales....if you can do that, I'm sure Uncle Jerrah would be more than willing to let us play you guys there on a yearly basis

Good post... NIU football is catching up but still so far f'ing behind in $ and fans. This is why boneyard victories against the have's mean so much to this program.