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STFU Game Thread
(09-16-2014 12:25 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 06:39 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 10:42 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 02:32 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 01:07 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Its good that our fans demand excellence, but whenever there's a new coaching staff I'm willing to give the team a year or so to figure it out. I'm concerned by a lot of what I've seen but with new systems that may not yet feature players that fit those systems, there will be some growing pains.

+1. It's silly to pronounce a coach a failure in his first couple of years on the job.

No it's not when you're coach is:
-one of the highest, if not the highest in the division.
-has among the best facilities, if not the best, in the division.
-has more talent (both inherited and brought in) than most teams in the league.

7-4/8-4 at JMU should be the bare minimum every season. Anything less than that is a failure. If JMU were to miss the playoffs this season and in 2015 (or less than 7-4 if not eligible due to a move up announcement) Withers could absolutely be called a failure.

You do realize that Nick Saban's(!) first season at Alabama(!) resulted in a record of 7-6, right? So you would've called him a failure after his first season?

-In 2007 Nick Saban didn't inherit a team that had more talent than everyone else in the SEC sans possibly 1 team.

-In 2007 did Bama have the top facilities in the SEC and top in the nation?

In 2008, Sabans 2nd season, Bama went 12-1 before losing in the Sugar Bowl. If he'd gone 7-6 again he probably would have been fired and been considered a failure.

Agree with BDK here. You can't compare the two.
09-16-2014 09:58 AM
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RE: STFU Game Thread
(09-16-2014 09:58 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 12:25 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 06:39 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 10:42 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 02:32 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  +1. It's silly to pronounce a coach a failure in his first couple of years on the job.

No it's not when you're coach is:
-one of the highest, if not the highest in the division.
-has among the best facilities, if not the best, in the division.
-has more talent (both inherited and brought in) than most teams in the league.

7-4/8-4 at JMU should be the bare minimum every season. Anything less than that is a failure. If JMU were to miss the playoffs this season and in 2015 (or less than 7-4 if not eligible due to a move up announcement) Withers could absolutely be called a failure.

You do realize that Nick Saban's(!) first season at Alabama(!) resulted in a record of 7-6, right? So you would've called him a failure after his first season?

-In 2007 Nick Saban didn't inherit a team that had more talent than everyone else in the SEC sans possibly 1 team.

-In 2007 did Bama have the top facilities in the SEC and top in the nation?

In 2008, Sabans 2nd season, Bama went 12-1 before losing in the Sugar Bowl. If he'd gone 7-6 again he probably would have been fired and been considered a failure.

Agree with BDK here. You can't compare the two.

Exactly. I also didn't mention that JMU I believe has the highest paid I-AA coach in the nation. Saban might be the highest paid now, but I don't know if he was then.

Point is for 7-5 or 6-6, JMU could have kept MM or paid someone 1-2 as much as Withers..

Salary wise, facility wise, talent wise, anything less than 8-4 should be unacceptable..
09-16-2014 05:37 PM
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RE: STFU Game Thread
(09-16-2014 05:37 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 09:58 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 12:25 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 06:39 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 10:42 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  No it's not when you're coach is:
-one of the highest, if not the highest in the division.
-has among the best facilities, if not the best, in the division.
-has more talent (both inherited and brought in) than most teams in the league.

7-4/8-4 at JMU should be the bare minimum every season. Anything less than that is a failure. If JMU were to miss the playoffs this season and in 2015 (or less than 7-4 if not eligible due to a move up announcement) Withers could absolutely be called a failure.

You do realize that Nick Saban's(!) first season at Alabama(!) resulted in a record of 7-6, right? So you would've called him a failure after his first season?

-In 2007 Nick Saban didn't inherit a team that had more talent than everyone else in the SEC sans possibly 1 team.

-In 2007 did Bama have the top facilities in the SEC and top in the nation?

In 2008, Sabans 2nd season, Bama went 12-1 before losing in the Sugar Bowl. If he'd gone 7-6 again he probably would have been fired and been considered a failure.

Agree with BDK here. You can't compare the two.

Exactly. I also didn't mention that JMU I believe has the highest paid I-AA coach in the nation. Saban might be the highest paid now, but I don't know if he was then.

Point is for 7-5 or 6-6, JMU could have kept MM or paid someone 1-2 as much as Withers..

Salary wise, facility wise, talent wise, anything less than 8-4 should be unacceptable..

It is unacceptable. Just as MM record the past 4 seasons was unacceptable. Anytime we are outside the top 15 is unacceptable.

What does being unacceptable mean? JMU is not going to fire a coach with $1m left on his contract. Heck, it want happen with $500K remaining on a contract.

So the answer is get behind the man and his staff and take to root'n. When he is in the middle of his next to last season, and we are not consistently at the level mentioned above, then push like he!! to get him gone. I'll be right there with you as I stayed with Mickey until mid 2012.
09-16-2014 06:49 PM
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RE: STFU Game Thread
(09-16-2014 05:37 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 09:58 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 12:25 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 06:39 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 10:42 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  No it's not when you're coach is:
-one of the highest, if not the highest in the division.
-has among the best facilities, if not the best, in the division.
-has more talent (both inherited and brought in) than most teams in the league.

7-4/8-4 at JMU should be the bare minimum every season. Anything less than that is a failure. If JMU were to miss the playoffs this season and in 2015 (or less than 7-4 if not eligible due to a move up announcement) Withers could absolutely be called a failure.

You do realize that Nick Saban's(!) first season at Alabama(!) resulted in a record of 7-6, right? So you would've called him a failure after his first season?

-In 2007 Nick Saban didn't inherit a team that had more talent than everyone else in the SEC sans possibly 1 team.

-In 2007 did Bama have the top facilities in the SEC and top in the nation?

In 2008, Sabans 2nd season, Bama went 12-1 before losing in the Sugar Bowl. If he'd gone 7-6 again he probably would have been fired and been considered a failure.

Agree with BDK here. You can't compare the two.

Exactly. I also didn't mention that JMU I believe has the highest paid I-AA coach in the nation. Saban might be the highest paid now, but I don't know if he was then.

Point is for 7-5 or 6-6, JMU could have kept MM or paid someone 1-2 as much as Withers..

Salary wise, facility wise, talent wise, anything less than 8-4 should be unacceptable..

I'm fairly certain that Saban was the highest paid coach. He had resurrected LSU and led them to a National Championship game before his stint with the Dolphins. Bama donors had to put together a huge package to bring Saban back from the pros.
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