Has Gameday ever done FCS before? NDSU is making strong showing to be FBS. Wonder if Sunbelt offers?

(09-13-2014 11:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Has Gameday ever done FCS before? NDSU is making strong showing to be FBS. Wonder if Sunbelt offers?

they did it last year there as well. Great atmosphere. MAC needs to take note of them as well....

I agree about the MAC, but travel to the Dakotas is a real pain.

I got the feeling they lost their coach to Wyoming because that upgrade convo kept coming up with the same disappointing answer. I don't know if NDSU ever lobbied anyone, or if they were firm on staying FCS.

I wouldn't fault NDSU for being conservative and carefully watching Appy and GS transition. Some years ago, those guys weren't far off from NDSU.

(09-13-2014 11:10 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I got the feeling they lost their coach to Wyoming because that upgrade convo kept coming up with the same disappointing answer.

No, I think Bohl just thought that after winning three national titles in a row, he didn't have anything to prove in FCS and was ready to implement his system in FBS.

(09-13-2014 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Has Gameday ever done FCS before? NDSU is making strong showing to be FBS. Wonder if Sunbelt offers?

they did it last year there as well. Great atmosphere. MAC needs to take note of them as well....

We would probably take them if they were in Wisconsin or maybe eastern Minnesota. The distance between NIU (closest MAC school) and NDSU is similar to NIU to Buffalo (longest distance east/west of the full time MAC schools).

If I was running the show at NDSU I wouldn't be so quick to jump to FBS. Three championships in a row is a special experience to offer your entire Alumni and Student body, not to mention what kind of experience you are offering to kids to come and play.

If you run off to the MAC, you are taking a big risk at losing all that for simply being mediocre in FBS. It is a very chaotic time in FBS and the future is unsure. I would stay put in FCS as NDSU.

(09-13-2014 12:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:10 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I got the feeling they lost their coach to Wyoming because that upgrade convo kept coming up with the same disappointing answer.

No, I think Bohl just thought that after winning three national titles in a row, he didn't have anything to prove in FCS and was ready to implement his system in FBS.

If NDSU upgraded or were in the process of doing so, he'd be doing so.

It's probably money, though. At some point, he topped off there.

(09-13-2014 11:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Has Gameday ever done FCS before?

Yes

Harvard @ Penn in 2002
Southern vs Grambling in 2005 (In Houston due to Katrina)
Hampton @ Florida A&M in 2008
Delaware St @ NDSU in 2013

(09-13-2014 11:10 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I agree about the MAC, but travel to the Dakotas is a real pain.

NDSU is basically in northern Minnesota though.

(09-13-2014 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Has Gameday ever done FCS before?

Yes

Harvard @ Penn in 2002
Southern vs Grambling in 2005 (In Houston due to Katrina)
Hampton @ Florida A&M in 2008
Delaware St @ NDSU in 2013

Could've sworn they went to a D2 or D3 school a few year ago as well. Can't remember

(09-14-2014 11:03 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Has Gameday ever done FCS before?

Yes

Harvard @ Penn in 2002
Southern vs Grambling in 2005 (In Houston due to Katrina)
Hampton @ Florida A&M in 2008
Delaware St @ NDSU in 2013

Could've sworn they went to a D2 or D3 school a few year ago as well. Can't remember

Amherst @ Williams in 2007

Here's the list of g5/indy non ND teams getting a gameday(current G5)
Houston in 2011(v SMU)
Army in 2003(v USF)
BYU in 2009(v TCU)
Bowling Green in 2003(v NIU)
Air Force in 2001(v Army),2002(v Notre Dame),2009(v Army)
Boise in 2010(v Ore St)

what's amazing now is that NDSU is one of 33 schools to have hosted Gameday at least twice.

by number of conference teams- current getting to host a gameday
ACC- 9 teams(32 appearances)
Big 12- 7 teams(22 appearances)
Big Ten- 9 teams(50 appearances)
Pac 12- 10 teams(30 appearances)- only Wash St and Cal not
SEC- 12 teams(63 appearances)- only Mississippi and Miss St not

(09-13-2014 01:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  If I was running the show at NDSU I wouldn't be so quick to jump to FBS. Three championships in a row is a special experience to offer your entire Alumni and Student body, not to mention what kind of experience you are offering to kids to come and play.

If you run off to the MAC, you are taking a big risk at losing all that for simply being mediocre in FBS. It is a very chaotic time in FBS and the future is unsure. I would stay put in FCS as NDSU.

Very true. To add, nobody in FBS knows what the P5 rules are going to be and to what extent it will affect the G5 schools. I am thinking that there will be a few G5 schools dropping down to FCS after a few years of the autonomy rules being in effect.
I think the FCS is getting stronger and there are a lot of good D2 schools that will see if making a jump to the FCS ranks is for them. Along with D1 schools starting up FCS football.

I don't think FCS is getting stronger. App St and Ga Southern combined accounted for 9 FCS titles. Also- now have programs at S Alabama, Charlotte, Ga State, and UTSA that weren't FCS even 5 years ago now up in FBS with 85 schollies. 9 more FBS programs in 2015 than we had in 2011. Where before it was 120 FBS and about 120 FCS, now it's 129 FBS and 123 FCS.

I think the one thing we may eventually see is some of the lower FCS dropping down to D2 quite frankly. I think we're going to see the bottom of D1 fall off eventually.

(09-15-2014 08:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think FCS is getting stronger. App St and Ga Southern combined accounted for 9 FCS titles. Also- now have programs at S Alabama, Charlotte, Ga State, and UTSA that weren't FCS even 5 years ago now up in FBS with 85 schollies. 9 more FBS programs in 2015 than we had in 2011. Where before it was 120 FBS and about 120 FCS, now it's 129 FBS and 123 FCS.

I think the one thing we may eventually see is some of the lower FCS dropping down to D2 quite frankly. I think we're going to see the bottom of D1 fall off eventually.

Well, I tend to disagree you. FCS teams this year alone are getting more exposure than ever before. Between ESPN and the American Sports Network, you are seeing more FCS games on TV. We saw some move ups from D2 and others starting programs (Abilene Christian, Unv. Incarnate Word (San Antonio), Houston Baptist with Mercer and Stetson restarting their football programs within the FCS.
And I believe there will be other D2 move ups or D1 school starting FCS football. (i.e. Azusa Pacific after being D2 in five years, and perhaps a few WAC schools like GCU or UVU and if D1 allows Canadian colleges Simon Frazier would like to move up).
I do believe it was iffy a couple of years ago for the FCS, but with now with the P5 given autonomy and the failure of the WAC to get some Big Sky schools, I think the FCS is on the path to getting stronger.

I agree that there will be some movement between divisions, but probably after 5 or 6 years after the P5 passes the rules they want to do.

EDIT: add E. Tenn St and Kennesaw St for 2015.

With the amount of money generated by the fracking industry, North Dakota State may be with the big boys quickly. The state is growing.[/align]

(09-15-2014 08:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think FCS is getting stronger. App St and Ga Southern combined accounted for 9 FCS titles. Also- now have programs at S Alabama, Charlotte, Ga State, and UTSA that weren't FCS even 5 years ago now up in FBS with 85 schollies. 9 more FBS programs in 2015 than we had in 2011. Where before it was 120 FBS and about 120 FCS, now it's 129 FBS and 123 FCS.

I think the one thing we may eventually see is some of the lower FCS dropping down to D2 quite frankly. I think we're going to see the bottom of D1 fall off eventually.

Every time a big FCS program moves up, people predict the end of it.
When Marshall moved up, the SoCon was dead. App State stepped up and was far more successful than Marshall was.

When Idaho/Boise left the Big Sky, Montana was one of the bottom feeders - playing in a crappy 7K stadium. A new stadium, a new coach, and now look at them.


UTSA may siphon off some Texas players that would have gone to a local FCS, but just as likely they are going to take players that would have gone to other FBS schools. Too early to tell on what affect the others will have - so far, none.

(09-15-2014 11:33 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think FCS is getting stronger. App St and Ga Southern combined accounted for 9 FCS titles. Also- now have programs at S Alabama, Charlotte, Ga State, and UTSA that weren't FCS even 5 years ago now up in FBS with 85 schollies. 9 more FBS programs in 2015 than we had in 2011. Where before it was 120 FBS and about 120 FCS, now it's 129 FBS and 123 FCS.

I think the one thing we may eventually see is some of the lower FCS dropping down to D2 quite frankly. I think we're going to see the bottom of D1 fall off eventually.

Every time a big FCS program moves up, people predict the end of it.
When Marshall moved up, the SoCon was dead. App State stepped up and was far more successful than Marshall was.

When Idaho/Boise left the Big Sky, Montana was one of the bottom feeders - playing in a crappy 7K stadium. A new stadium, a new coach, and now look at them.


UTSA may siphon off some Texas players that would have gone to a local FCS, but just as likely they are going to take players that would have gone to other FBS schools. Too early to tell on what affect the others will have - so far, none.

I didn't say it was getting weaker. All I said it wasn't getting stronger.

(09-15-2014 11:33 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think FCS is getting stronger. App St and Ga Southern combined accounted for 9 FCS titles. Also- now have programs at S Alabama, Charlotte, Ga State, and UTSA that weren't FCS even 5 years ago now up in FBS with 85 schollies. 9 more FBS programs in 2015 than we had in 2011. Where before it was 120 FBS and about 120 FCS, now it's 129 FBS and 123 FCS.

I think the one thing we may eventually see is some of the lower FCS dropping down to D2 quite frankly. I think we're going to see the bottom of D1 fall off eventually.

Every time a big FCS program moves up, people predict the end of it.
When Marshall moved up, the SoCon was dead. App State stepped up and was far more successful than Marshall was.

When Idaho/Boise left the Big Sky, Montana was one of the bottom feeders - playing in a crappy 7K stadium. A new stadium, a new coach, and now look at them.


UTSA may siphon off some Texas players that would have gone to a local FCS, but just as likely they are going to take players that would have gone to other FBS schools. Too early to tell on what affect the others will have - so far, none.

A few problems with your scenario. The SoCon was more than just Marshall before they left. Marshall only won two outright and one shared SoCon title. There was depth there with Furman, Georgia Southern, and Appalachian State. The SoCon of today is a shell of what it was the year before Marshall left. They replaced powers like App State and Georgia Southern, and middleweight Elon with the worst program in FCS the past 10 years VMI and two startups in Mercer and ETSU.

Boise St left the Big Sky in 1995, Idaho in 1996. Montana won the Big Sky in 1993 and the I-AA title in 1995, so I would hardly call them bottom feeders until the Tater Twins left. You have to go back to the early 1980's for the first conceivable stretch, and the mid 1970's for the most realistic stretch to call them bottom feeders.