(09-12-2014 11:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It strikes me as just sort of petty and immature.

I heard it was the Alumni Association that did it rather than NIU. I can see this viewpoint though - even though it's publicity, I wouldn't have done it.

NIU has been scheduling better teams than Illinois anyway though - BYU, Utah, San Diego State, etc. and they're still willing to do 1-1s with us.

What I don't like is that the Big Whatever along with the other P5s seems to want to wall themselves off and insulate themselves from losses to G5 schools, even those that are obviously better than themselves. So they can still pretend to be superior. AKA "murderer's row".

(09-12-2014 11:28 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  More likely what it did is get NIU off the schedule of NW and UIL for a very long time.

Why because NIU's performance on the field of play is better than their supposed p-5 counterparts? No p-5 school wants to play any g-5 school that has a remote possibility of beating them. That's punishing success, how utterly American.

(09-12-2014 11:09 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 10:54 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:04 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's just precious.

That's just pompous.

Is it any more pompous than taking out a full page ad in the paper to brag about a win and call out another in state team all out of desperation for the locals to care about you?

The athletic office at A&M has done similar things to Texas over the years so don't get all high and mighty

(09-12-2014 11:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It strikes me as just sort of petty and immature.

A little bit. I know if UCF did the same thing to UF or FSU, they'd get plenty of comments similar to tis thread. Handle your business in a meeting room, not in the newspaper.

(09-12-2014 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It strikes me as just sort of petty and immature.

I heard it was the Alumni Association that did it rather than NIU. I can see this viewpoint though - even though it's publicity, I wouldn't have done it.

NIU has been scheduling better teams than Illinois anyway though - BYU, Utah, San Diego State, etc. and they're still willing to do 1-1s with us.

What I don't like is that the Big Whatever along with the other P5s seems to want to wall themselves off and insulate themselves from losses to G5 schools, even those that are obviously better than themselves. So they can still pretend to be superior. AKA "murderer's row".

NIU has to schedule better OOC because of the conference schedule.

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  - Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)

That "public" qualifier conveniently ignores the Gorilla in the Hoosier State football room, Notre Dame. Big Ten football has taken a back seat to the Irish in Indiana for some time now.

(09-12-2014 12:14 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  - Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)

That "public" qualifier conveniently ignores the Gorilla in the Hoosier State football room, Notre Dame. Big Ten football has taken a back seat to the Irish in Indiana for some time now.

Not really. I live in Indiana and most of the state acts like they're an out-of-state team. Fun fact - Indiana is the least Catholic state that fought for the Union in the Civil War.

If Notre Dame can be said to have a home turf, it's in Chicagoland.

(09-12-2014 11:02 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:01 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  NIU needs to change their name so they will not be considered a directional school.

Says a Southern Methodist fan?

In case you did not know Southern Methodist is a Private school in the southern part of the United States, not a direction in a state..

(09-12-2014 11:32 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:28 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  More likely what it did is get NIU off the schedule of NW and UIL for a very long time.

Why because NIU's performance on the field of play is better than their supposed p-5 counterparts? No p-5 school wants to play any g-5 school that has a remote possibility of beating them. That's punishing success, how utterly American.

Oh please.

If either of the F_U teams went on a tear and started winning big then they'd disappear real quick from the U_F schools schedules too and for the exact same reason. For all your BS about fairness, your AD isn't dumb and isn't going to actively HELP a less established school overtake you in popularity and make their job all the harder.

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

A Soldier Field game makes the most sense to solve that problem. The earliest we could play is 2019 on week 1...Unfortunately the problem is that if UofI must have 7 home games then the earliest it will happen is 2025.

(09-12-2014 09:19 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:04 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

Play them in Chicago at Soldier Field like Iowa did. That would take away all the excuses. There'd also be a bigger crowd there than in Champagne.

The Big Ten is also requiring everyone to play one 1 P5 non-conference opponent per year. In essence, after we get done with our already scheduled series with USF and UConn, we (and effectively everyone else in the Big Ten) won't be scheduling any further G5 teams away from our home stadiums. As I've stated, every Big Ten team will now only have 1 non-conference road game per 2 years to use going forward (for better or worse, we all MUST have 7 home games per year for financial purposes - there's no use arguing about it), and when we also need to schedule another P5 school, you can do the math that the home-and-home (or even home-neutral) series is going to that P5 school.

Big Ten should schedule all 12 games against themselves to conceal how crappy of a conference they are becoming. That's really the smartest thing for them to do. But if you must schedule a game or two OOC, scheduling against another P5 conference is like an automatic loss tacked on to each Big Ten team's record to start the year.
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That's just rich coming from a Miami of Ohio fan, didnt UB just lose to Army? We'll wait until tomorrow though, if Miami can beat Michigan I'll shut up. But beating Illinois, Northwestern, and Indiana ain't really anything to be bragging about. I do hope the Chips lose tomorrow even though a win might shut up those smartass Cuse fans (probably the last P5 team that has any room to insult the Big Ten football wise). Congrats, the MAC's top teams beat the basement of the Big Ten, you wanna cookie to savor that with?

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(09-12-2014 01:26 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:02 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:01 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  NIU needs to change their name so they will not be considered a directional school.

Says a Southern Methodist fan?

In case you did not know Southern Methodist is a Private school in the southern part of the United States, not a direction in a state..

Southern Methodists arent the same as Northern Methodists anyways, so its more of a denomination thing.

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(09-12-2014 10:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:04 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

Play them in Chicago at Soldier Field like Iowa did. That would take away all the excuses. There'd also be a bigger crowd there than in Champagne.

The Big Ten is also requiring everyone to play one 1 P5 non-conference opponent per year. In essence, after we get done with our already scheduled series with USF and UConn, we (and effectively everyone else in the Big Ten) won't be scheduling any further G5 teams away from our home stadiums. As I've stated, every Big Ten team will now only have 1 non-conference road game per 2 years to use going forward (for better or worse, we all MUST have 7 home games per year for financial purposes - there's no use arguing about it), and when we also need to schedule another P5 school, you can do the math that the home-and-home (or even home-neutral) series is going to that P5 school.

Indiana just signed a home-and-home with Cincinnati. Is the Big 10 counting UC as a P5 for this requirement? Or are other Big 10 schools more willing than Illinois to give up their 7th home game?

IUs AD called Cincinnati a pf team, he considers it as such.

The upper half of the MAC and lower half of the B1G have identical talent level.

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(09-12-2014 11:55 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It strikes me as just sort of petty and immature.

I heard it was the Alumni Association that did it rather than NIU. I can see this viewpoint though - even though it's publicity, I wouldn't have done it.

NIU has been scheduling better teams than Illinois anyway though - BYU, Utah, San Diego State, etc. and they're still willing to do 1-1s with us.

What I don't like is that the Big Whatever along with the other P5s seems to want to wall themselves off and insulate themselves from losses to G5 schools, even those that are obviously better than themselves. So they can still pretend to be superior. AKA "murderer's row".

NIU has to schedule better OOC because of the conference schedule.

What I meant was that NIU has been scheduling teams that are more competitive than Illinois, not that we're scheduling a tougher OOC than Illinois is (we may or may not be). We do need better OOC due to playing a MAC schedule, but also for the fans - our OOC home scheduling the past decade has been abysmal.

Except for NIU which has more talent than some first tier B1G schools.

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(09-12-2014 02:11 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

A Soldier Field game makes the most sense to solve that problem. The earliest we could play is 2019 on week 1...Unfortunately the problem is that if UofI must have 7 home games then the earliest it will happen is 2025.

I don't think Illinois would bring enough fans to SF, not like Iowa or Wisconsin. We would bring some but probably not even as many as we had at Northwestern, because people are tired of being gouged at SF, plus it's now kind of a "been there, done that" thing. And considering how much it costs to have a game there, I don't think it would do well.

(09-12-2014 04:36 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 02:11 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

A Soldier Field game makes the most sense to solve that problem. The earliest we could play is 2019 on week 1...Unfortunately the problem is that if UofI must have 7 home games then the earliest it will happen is 2025.

I don't think Illinois would bring enough fans to SF, not like Iowa or Wisconsin. We would bring some but probably not even as many as we had at Northwestern, because people are tired of being gouged at SF, plus it's now kind of a "been there, done that" thing. And considering how much it costs to have a game there, I don't think it would do well.

Illinois drew over 47,000 to Soldier Field against Washington last year:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332570356

NIU-Wisconsin in 2011 drew 40,000:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-...opkins-niu

Illinois can certainly draw fans to Soldier Field even they are AWFUL (which they were last year). Also, Illinois kept all of the Soldier Field revenue against Washington (plus 7 home games in Champaign). Why would they play a road game against NIU (or anyone else) at Soldier Field when they can make it into an additional home game for financial purposes on top of their Champaign games? There's no objective financial reason for Illinois to do that.

(09-12-2014 10:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:04 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

Play them in Chicago at Soldier Field like Iowa did. That would take away all the excuses. There'd also be a bigger crowd there than in Champagne.

The Big Ten is also requiring everyone to play one 1 P5 non-conference opponent per year. In essence, after we get done with our already scheduled series with USF and UConn, we (and effectively everyone else in the Big Ten) won't be scheduling any further G5 teams away from our home stadiums. As I've stated, every Big Ten team will now only have 1 non-conference road game per 2 years to use going forward (for better or worse, we all MUST have 7 home games per year for financial purposes - there's no use arguing about it), and when we also need to schedule another P5 school, you can do the math that the home-and-home (or even home-neutral) series is going to that P5 school.

Indiana just signed a home-and-home with Cincinnati. Is the Big 10 counting UC as a P5 for this requirement? Or are other Big 10 schools more willing than Illinois to give up their 7th home game?

A few years ago Indiana schedule a buy game with UMass with no return game. Oh the game was AT UMass. And let me remind you, this was when UMass was still a 1AA school.

Let's not use IU for as a comparison.

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  


Calling out the Illini and Big Ten...

Why won't you pick up the phone Illini? NIU the best college football team in the state of Illinois for the third straight year.

https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/stat...97/photo/1

- NIU best team in Illinois (Northwestern and Illinois)
- Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)
- UB New York Bulls claiming to be the Flagship team of New York and a CMU victory over Syracuse tomorrow can allow UB to claim the state (Syracuse and Army)

MAC isn't doing too bad in the backyard of the Big Ten.

You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.