(09-11-2014 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 06:39 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU is not joining the MWC or ACC, but a "best of the rest" Go5 conference would become more plausible if BYU or really any other number of Go5 schools were consistently excluded from the CFP.

And that is what they will join, in my not so humble opinion, as five western teams get brought in for a western division of five teams in a 20 team AAC that is the Gatekeeper "best of the rest" conference.

Hell, with an expanded national playoff to six teams and a P4 instead of a P5, that conference could very well get tapped as the provider of the yearly Cinderella. That is unless they don't have a stand out but with 20 teams of the top Mid Majors, that shouldn't be a problem most years.

a 20 team conference is a money loser given the way the playoff money is distributed to the g5.

and it will be a decade or two before we go p4 of ever.

(09-11-2014 09:30 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 06:39 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU is not joining the MWC or ACC, but a "best of the rest" Go5 conference would become more plausible if BYU or really any other number of Go5 schools were consistently excluded from the CFP.

And that is what they will join, in my not so humble opinion, as five western teams get brought in for a western division of five teams in a 20 team AAC that is the Gatekeeper "best of the rest" conference.

Hell, with an expanded national playoff to six teams and a P4 instead of a P5, that conference could very well get tapped as the provider of the yearly Cinderella. That is unless they don't have a stand out but with 20 teams of the top Mid Majors, that shouldn't be a problem most years.

a 20 team conference is a money loser given the way the playoff money is distributed to the g5.

and it will be a decade or two before we go p4 of ever.

It's not just about playoff money and...if the playoff moves to 6 teams and that conference could get itself positioned strongly to provide such a "Cinderella" team then they will be making participation money.

That doesn't take into account the money from a Conference Tournament.

Their Tournament games would be well placed to be the warm up games on Thursday and Friday night on ABC/ESPN or perhaps NBC jumps into the fray and gives them a shot to show their games on Saturday along with the rest.

They would get a boost in payout by being the Cinderella conference. It will all be about Tournaments in the future.

You can believe that no change is coming, most folks seem to think so but most folks around here have been behind the curve the whole time so...I'm not sure how that is evidence that nothing is going to happen.

This year is going to provide a lot of pressure for movement.

If anyone is watching the BYU-Houston game and all the targeting, personal fouls, and sketchy stuff in the pile, you'll understand why BYU's issues with scheduling will only get worse as teams get to know them as the mountain west/WAC has.
http://youtu.be/ltMyakY_i0g

(09-11-2014 10:08 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  If anyone is watching the BYU-Houston game and all the targeting, personal fouls, and sketchy stuff in the pile, you'll understand why BYU's issues with scheduling will only get worse as teams get to know them as the mountain west/WAC has.
http://youtu.be/ltMyakY_i0g

No more dirty than Utah was back in the MWC. Those two programs were probably #1 and #2 in personal fouls over the years.

(09-11-2014 10:41 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 10:08 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  If anyone is watching the BYU-Houston game and all the targeting, personal fouls, and sketchy stuff in the pile, you'll understand why BYU's issues with scheduling will only get worse as teams get to know them as the mountain west/WAC has.
http://youtu.be/ltMyakY_i0g

No more dirty than Utah was back in the MWC. Those two programs were probably #1 and #2 in personal fouls over the years. Mendenhall's a pretty good defensive coach, but he gets off on the cheap stuff.

The games between the two teams were ugly, foul shitfests that didn't hurt things so much when they happened in November, but post-realignment there's a reason why Utah has gone 11-1 OOC but been too injured to compete in conference after the early season rivalry game. Without a conference to penalize BYU/issue suspensions, they've made the mWC days look like tickle fights.

(09-11-2014 10:48 AM)Wedge Wrote:  BYU's schedule isn't Marshall-weak. It compares well to that of any non-P5 team. At 12-0, BYU wouldn't be chosen for the playoff four ahead of any 0 or 1 loss P5 team. If there were fewer than four 0 or 1 loss P5 teams -- it's a long shot, but if the competition for that fourth spot was, say, an 11-2 Wisconsin team with few quality wins on their resume due to their soft schedule -- then, maybe. More likely is an access bowl invitation if BYU is 12-0.

Agreed that there's no P5 invitation for BYU in the near future regardless of on-field performance, and there's even less chance that BYU would ever join the MWC or AAC. The benefits for them would be minor, and more importantly, with Utah already in the Pac-12, BYU won't join a G5 conference. They'll stick with football independence.

I agree with this. Who knows how the season will play out? If we had a 2007 type season...zero undefeated P5 schools and just one 1-loss P5 school and then a group of good-but-not-great 2-loss teams...it would put the committee in a pickle.

But barring any dismal showing by that many P5 schools, I think an undefeated BYU or Marshall gets left out.

I also agree that they are probably "stuck" with independence for the foreseeable future.

I really really really want BYU to win and make a conversation about them being in a playoff....

That said....they've still got Boise State and UCF on the road. I think the odds are stacked against them

(09-11-2014 10:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 09:30 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 06:39 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU is not joining the MWC or ACC, but a "best of the rest" Go5 conference would become more plausible if BYU or really any other number of Go5 schools were consistently excluded from the CFP.

And that is what they will join, in my not so humble opinion, as five western teams get brought in for a western division of five teams in a 20 team AAC that is the Gatekeeper "best of the rest" conference.

Hell, with an expanded national playoff to six teams and a P4 instead of a P5, that conference could very well get tapped as the provider of the yearly Cinderella. That is unless they don't have a stand out but with 20 teams of the top Mid Majors, that shouldn't be a problem most years.

a 20 team conference is a money loser given the way the playoff money is distributed to the g5.

and it will be a decade or two before we go p4 of ever.

It's not just about playoff money and...if the playoff moves to 6 teams and that conference could get itself positioned strongly to provide such a "Cinderella" team then they will be making participation money.

That doesn't take into account the money from a Conference Tournament.

Their Tournament games would be well placed to be the warm up games on Thursday and Friday night on ABC/ESPN or perhaps NBC jumps into the fray and gives them a shot to show their games on Saturday along with the rest.

They would get a boost in payout by being the Cinderella conference. It will all be about Tournaments in the future.

You can believe that no change is coming, most folks seem to think so but most folks around here have been behind the curve the whole time so...I'm not sure how that is evidence that nothing is going to happen.

This year is going to provide a lot of pressure for movement.

Oh I think some change is coming but not for awhile and most are not correct in predicting what it will be at this point

they win 12 games going into their bowl in Miami.

(09-11-2014 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 10:43 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 10:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  BYU has ZERO chance of making the playoff. ZERO. The schedule this year is putrid- right now after 2 weeks- only Cal and Nevada are undefeated. Boise right now is the only opponent of theirs that is getting any votes.

BYU at 12-0 would be an interesting test case in to see how far up the committee puts them.

so you know how its going to play out huh?

please tell us more Nostradamus

I don't know how it's going to play out- but I pretty much know a team with that putrid of a SOS has no shot.
UConn
Texas
Houston
Virginia
Utah St
UCF
Nevada
Boise St
Mid Tennessee
UNLV
Savannah St
Cal

That schedule has no shot even with 1 fewer loss for sure- and quite possibly with 2 fewer losses. It's no lock they would even be in the top 10 quite frankly. remember, it's not like before where computers would boost a team like that considerably.

I wonder how many G5 teams have a tougher schedule than BYU. For the past year we have been hearing ad nauseam that the AAC and MWC are clearly the class of the G5. The Cougars play 7 games against those two conferences, including 5 who are frequent championship contenders in their league, plus 3 P5 opponents. If that schedule would keep them from consideration, then what G5 team deserves consideration?

(09-11-2014 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 10:43 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 10:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  BYU has ZERO chance of making the playoff. ZERO. The schedule this year is putrid- right now after 2 weeks- only Cal and Nevada are undefeated. Boise right now is the only opponent of theirs that is getting any votes.

BYU at 12-0 would be an interesting test case in to see how far up the committee puts them.

so you know how its going to play out huh?

please tell us more Nostradamus

I don't know how it's going to play out- but I pretty much know a team with that putrid of a SOS has no shot.
UConn
Texas
Houston
Virginia
Utah St
UCF
Nevada
Boise St
Mid Tennessee
UNLV
Savannah St
Cal

That schedule has no shot even with 1 fewer loss for sure- and quite possibly with 2 fewer losses. It's no lock they would even be in the top 10 quite frankly. remember, it's not like before where computers would boost a team like that considerably.

Agreed they probably should have scheduled some teams that were stronger than UVA and Texas.

Houston, UConn and UCF are big time for BYU.

(09-11-2014 10:08 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  If anyone is watching the BYU-Houston game and all the targeting, personal fouls, and sketchy stuff in the pile, you'll understand why BYU's issues with scheduling will only get worse as teams get to know them as the mountain west/WAC has.
http://youtu.be/ltMyakY_i0g

I see just the oposite. Byu seems to be coached very properly to abide by the rules. But I do not have a dog in the fight like a Utah fan would.

It would be helpful to know when these games were scheduled before criticizing BYU for scheduling weak.

Many of those programs have had success in the not too distant past.

(09-12-2014 03:15 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  It would be helpful to know when these games were scheduled before criticizing BYU for scheduling weak.

Many of those programs have had success in the not too distant past.

I think BYU will realize they need to either join a conference or get a ND type deal with a conference. If BYU can't get the P5 tie in, actually I think that working a deal in joining the MAC or CUSA as an Olympic Sports member and remain football independent could work well for them. Get bowl tie-ins with the conferences by playing 3-4 CUSA games a season. Solves their bowl issues and they can still schedule quality teams to try and get access bids.

(09-12-2014 03:37 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 03:15 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  It would be helpful to know when these games were scheduled before criticizing BYU for scheduling weak.

Many of those programs have had success in the not too distant past.

I think BYU will realize they need to either join a conference or get a ND type deal with a conference. If BYU can't get the P5 tie in, actually I think that working a deal in joining the MAC or CUSA as an Olympic Sports member and remain football independent could work well for them. Get bowl tie-ins with the conferences by playing 3-4 CUSA games a season. Solves their bowl issues and they can still schedule quality teams to try and get access bids.

I don't see the MAC considering a deal for BYU. In the CUSA, UTEP would be the only one that might think about it.

BYU can always get games against the MW schools; however, they would not put BYU in the power position of a G5 tie in that would stack BYU ahead of it in bowl allocations.

Given BYU games

Utah
Nevada
Colorado
Colorado State
Boise State
Wyoming
Air Force
Idaho

It get slim after that.

BYU to the PAC FB Only.

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(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

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You know nothing about the PAC it seems

(09-11-2014 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't know how it's going to play out- but I pretty much know a team with that putrid of a SOS has no shot.
UConn
Texas
Houston
Virginia
Utah St
UCF
Nevada
Boise St
Mid Tennessee
UNLV
Savannah St
Cal

That schedule has no shot even with 1 fewer loss for sure- and quite possibly with 2 fewer losses. It's no lock they would even be in the top 10 quite frankly. remember, it's not like before where computers would boost a team like that considerably.

The irony of that is while they are not competing with G5 teams, that schedule is as good as any g5 team or better, with only probably UCF coming close, with the it's somewhat hampered by skipping Cincinnati.

(09-11-2014 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Despite TCU's record, that #10 spot was probably BYU's if they had pursued it hard at the time. When 10 opened up again, WVU was available.

TCU was actually number nine, not ten. And that spot was basically theirs because tv wanted a Texas team to replace A&M. Damn near demanded it.

(09-11-2014 12:19 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  [quote='BE4evah' pid='11103195' dateline='1410451784']
There were some chatter that during the Texas weekend, quiet lobbying was in full effect.

Maybe they should not have beaten Texas so bad
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Funny thing is that's probably true. They beat Texas so bad it makes Texas look like a bad team and kills their SOS.

(09-11-2014 12:29 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Brista, I agree. Six is the ideal number. With 6 you could give the N0 1 and 2 byes, 3 and 4 could play 5 and 6 at home in early December. This would leave the final four as it is and the additional two games would not create huge travel plans for the fans.

I think a lot of people misunderstand how import at the neutral site nature of bowls and playoff games are to the revenue, and it's WHy there was so much resistance for so many years to a playoff and why we only have a 4 team playoff. The problem with this plan is while it doesn't require extra travel, you e taken two teams who are lie lot high value, high traveling teams out of the picture and now the contract bowls will pay a lot less money for those games. That's why we are where we are.

(09-12-2014 01:59 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I see just the oposite. Byu seems to be coached very properly to abide by the rules.

If the rules encourage leading with the head, punching, and twisting ankles in the pile, you sir are correct. If not, you've never watched a single game.