(09-12-2014 01:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:58 AM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:47 AM)billings Wrote:  The Big Sky has a TV contract now as they would if they moved up. But it pays like crap and mostly only covers the montana schools and that would not change either. They can't afford the scholarship numbers for football or minimum number of sports numbers offered. With the MWC paying full cost of attendance the Big Sky would be a total after thought from a competitive standpoint in the west and it would be nonsense to move it all up. You will not be proven correct in your dream

The Montana schools once you adjust for population size, already draw like the FBS schools in Alabama. I've never understood how the Montana schools are supposed to increase revenue to match increased expenses when there seems to be so little potential to increase attendance by very much.

UM is maxed. If they expand much more they know the sellouts will stop. MSU can expand a bit as they are near Billings and that is a fast growing section of the state.

Frankly MSU has more potential then UM does for growth

I suspect that anyone in Montana that has any interest in football is already going to as many games as they care to. Attendance at UM and MSU is already disproportionately large for their local population, and it's not likely their attendance figures are being swelled by large numbers of visiting fans.

Moving up to FBS isn't going to be a financial windfall in Big Sky country.

Its the same concerns about any FCS moveup: there never is a financial windfall except maybe Boise St. Mont and Mont St don't want to be third tier in football. Second tier and they will be satisfied. With a collective move up, their concerns are mollified as they didn't want an entirely different base of schools to associate with.

(09-12-2014 03:55 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  So it appears somehow there would have to be a proposed rule change to the current NCAA rules. The only question would be could the FCS schools get the P5 to vote for a change to the FBS. I doubt they could get any G5 conferences to vote for a change to the rule. I can see the pros and cons for the P5 to consider.

You know, I could actually see the P5 signing onto something like this...on this condition: That the share currently split between the "G5" conferences gets cut into 6 pieces.

That would hasten the demise of the already struggling G5 conferences by giving them even less resources. The P5 already hold a 2/3 power vote over the G5 conferences anyway, so if they conspire with the FBS schools to elevate the BSC and further devalue the G conferences, they can do it.

I would add this, though. As members of FCS, the WAC schools currently have a whole share of voting privileges. Coming into FBS would mean that their voting privileges get shrunk by 1/3 as a result of the "3/5 Compromise"-esque solution delivered to the P-conferences through "autonomy."

I'd stay at FCS level. You're going to get some new blood there soon, anyway.

New Scenario Question - I have seen the rules on how to become an FBS team. What happens per say a conference went to 16 teams, then wanted to split. There would be 8 teams enough for another conference. How would this work? Lets use CUSA since they have 14 teams, lets say they add NDSU and Liberty. Then the following year after Liberty and NDSU become full FBS, the conference decided to split into separate east and west FBS conferences. Similar to the BE vs AAC, only there is FBS on both sides. Is this even possible?

(09-15-2014 01:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  New Scenario Question - I have seen the rules on how to become an FBS team. What happens per say a conference went to 16 teams, then wanted to split. There would be 8 teams enough for another conference. How would this work? Lets use CUSA since they have 14 teams, lets say they add NDSU and Liberty. Then the following year after Liberty and NDSU become full FBS, the conference decided to split into separate east and west FBS conferences. Similar to the BE vs AAC, only there is FBS on both sides. Is this even possible?

It wouldn't be a straight up split. It would have to be a group of schools simultaneously withdrawing. If they did that, the withdrawing schools would be giving up their TV deals, bowl contracts, NCAA tournament shares, CFP money, and likely have to pay exit fees to the remaining schools. That's what the Catholic schools did in the Big East, but they had a fat TV contract waiting for them to lessen the financial hit, and CFP money or bowl contracts weren't an issue for them.

(09-15-2014 01:15 PM)prp Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 01:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  New Scenario Question - I have seen the rules on how to become an FBS team. What happens per say a conference went to 16 teams, then wanted to split. There would be 8 teams enough for another conference. How would this work? Lets use CUSA since they have 14 teams, lets say they add NDSU and Liberty. Then the following year after Liberty and NDSU become full FBS, the conference decided to split into separate east and west FBS conferences. Similar to the BE vs AAC, only there is FBS on both sides. Is this even possible?

It wouldn't be a straight up split. It would have to be a group of schools simultaneously withdrawing. If they did that, the withdrawing schools would be giving up their TV deals, bowl contracts, NCAA tournament shares, CFP money, and likely have to pay exit fees to the remaining schools. That's what the Catholic schools did in the Big East, but they had a fat TV contract waiting for them to lessen the financial hit, and CFP money or bowl contracts weren't an issue for them.

You can negotiate a lot of those issues. Question is whether or not it is amicable.

If it is amicable, it is not big deal. You split the units how you want and if the NCAA doesn't agree, nothing stops league A from writing league B a check for its share.

If CFP won't treat the new league as a full member, easy enough to agree to share the distribution.

Departure fees can be waived, Sun Belt waived UCF's departure fees when they got cross-ways.

As long as they agree it's not a big deal other than sorting out auto bids.