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He's toast. I mean, seriously, he could be gone tomorrow. If he had a shred of integrity he'd fall on his sword and resign before tomorrow night's Ravens game.

I don't think he will. I think he'll have to be dragged from behind the desk, wailing all the way, but he's a dead man walking.

/makes a big tub of popcorn

I thought that he would be gone, however some of my UAB twitter followers think differently.

He knew about the situation & the severity of it & did not care to do anything real about it until the video came out.

He certainly looks like he lacks credibility; however, if the owners believe he can continue to bring profits more than anyone else (at the very least he doesn't hurt profits) then he will stay.

It is entirely possible that he never saw the video until this week. He runs the NFL for profitability, it isn't a crime investigation office, and a subordinate officer without direct contact to the top-level administration could have lost through negligence or ignored the video. The casino had no benefit to releasing it willingly and ensuring the top level's see it, and the NFL's best employees are probably not working in the department that investigates crimes.

One thing in my mind that mitigates against him having seen it is, why cover it up? To what end? Who'd have benefited? Rice? I doubt Goodell would be inclined to do him any favors.

He won't go anywhere, because his absolute lack of a soul has made the NFL more rich than ever. They couldn't care less if he had slapped her himself.

Yep, you aren't hearing a lot of sponsors protesting by dropping the NFL. Moral outrage has it's limits.

(09-10-2014 08:14 PM)Grammar-Nazi Wrote:  He won't go anywhere, because his absolute lack of a soul has made the NFL more rich than ever. They couldn't care less if he had slapped her himself.

Right! Can't remember where I saw this said (may have been on Blazertalk somewhere), but the NFL and the Ravens didn't ban Ray Rice because THEY saw the video, they did it because YOU saw the video.

And that's probably the best explanation I've heard yet. Nobody agrees with what rice did, and not many agreed with the punishment that rice was given. Once that video was public, he was toast.

I don't think this is a goodell issue. Everybody wants to make everything in the nfl about him, but this really wasn't. He screwed up, admitted he did, and put a new policy in place. That's all you could ask really. Goodell was not the person who knocked his wife out. That is what is being lost in all this.

The ravens didn't act. Coach harbaugh didn't act. The police didn't act. Should ebverybody be fired? Or should goodell be the all time scapegoat?

I have asked this since the 2nd video came out, but what the f did people think happened in that elevator? I didn't need to see anything to know what happened in there. People don't trip and fall in elevators and knock themselves out.

That video went to the NFL offices in April. The insider who sent it has a recording of a call from the NFL offices about receiving it. "It's really bad, isn't it?" she said.

Goddell is on record denying they ever saw it, including in the email to the league yesterday. It's not the crime, it's the cover up. There are also a bunch of PO'd people at ESPN who spun their asses off covering for him and he and the league left them hung out to dry.

The description of the video that was reported by Mortenson back then is identical to what surfaced yesterday.

Goddell is a control freak. No way he didn't see it unless his minion told him "You don't WANT to see this", and even then I don't buy for a minute he did not. Will never be able to prove it though, since by NFL standards someone would have to produce a video of the NFL guys involved watching the video for it to count.

He's going to be radioactive as hell. Might ride it out for a time, but he's badly damaged indeed.

Go back and look at what Goddell said about Sean Payton after the Saint's Bountygate scandal: "Ignorance is not an excuse"
"If he didn't know he should have".

Rice spit in her face, she swung at him, he coldcocked her and then she appeared to hit her head on the railing as she went down. Goddell gives him two games?

He's toast. The league is in good shape moneywise, they'll ease him out.

(09-10-2014 09:11 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  And that's probably the best explanation I've heard yet. Nobody agrees with what rice did, and not many agreed with the punishment that rice was given. Once that video was public, he was toast.

I don't think this is a goodell issue. Everybody wants to make everything in the nfl about him, but this really wasn't. He screwed up, admitted he did, and put a new policy in place. That's all you could ask really. Goodell was not the person who knocked his wife out. That is what is being lost in all this.

The ravens didn't act. Coach harbaugh didn't act. The police didn't act. Should ebverybody be fired? Or should goodell be the all time scapegoat?

I have asked this since the 2nd video came out, but what the f did people think happened in that elevator? I didn't need to see anything to know what happened in there. People don't trip and fall in elevators and knock themselves out.

Today's society demands scapegoats. Preferably not the actual guilty party. It wasn't Jerry Sandusky that got the majority of the outrage. He wasn't big enough. It was Joe PAterno. Because taking him down is a bigger story.

Ray Rice is a big enough name, but what fun is it when you have video showing his guilt. How are you going to fill a 24 hour news study with that. The media has to make the story bigger to keep the public's interest. If Goddell resigns tomorrow, they will have to find someone else to go after until they get enough mileage out of the story.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be gone. I'm just tired of the general public being told what to be outraged about and being manipulated by social and actual media.

Anastasia Danias is The Vice President of Legal Affairs for The NFL. I have seen speculation that she is who the tape was sent to.

(09-10-2014 09:40 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 09:11 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  And that's probably the best explanation I've heard yet. Nobody agrees with what rice did, and not many agreed with the punishment that rice was given. Once that video was public, he was toast.

I don't think this is a goodell issue. Everybody wants to make everything in the nfl about him, but this really wasn't. He screwed up, admitted he did, and put a new policy in place. That's all you could ask really. Goodell was not the person who knocked his wife out. That is what is being lost in all this.

The ravens didn't act. Coach harbaugh didn't act. The police didn't act. Should ebverybody be fired? Or should goodell be the all time scapegoat?

I have asked this since the 2nd video came out, but what the f did people think happened in that elevator? I didn't need to see anything to know what happened in there. People don't trip and fall in elevators and knock themselves out.

Today's society demands scapegoats. Preferably not the actual guilty party. It wasn't Jerry Sandusky that got the majority of the outrage. He wasn't big enough. It was Joe PAterno. Because taking him down is a bigger story.

Ray Rice is a big enough name, but what fun is it when you have video showing his guilt. How are you going to fill a 24 hour news study with that. The media has to make the story bigger to keep the public's interest. If Goddell resigns tomorrow, they will have to find someone else to go after until they get enough mileage out of the story.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be gone. I'm just tired of the general public being told what to be outraged about and being manipulated by social and actual media.

Agree on all points. It's just so damn frustrating to listen to when you are unwilling to but the crap they are trying to sell. I really don't get how this became a goodell issue to so many. Had he suspended rice indefinitely before the video surfaced, would the players have not thrown a fit about goodell then? He hasn't done everything right as commissioner, he hasn't done everything wrong either.

This will, and should IMO, blow over. Rice is out. He is the bad guy here. He didn't collect a game check after the incident. The tape should be turned over to Jersey State Police and let the law take it's course.

(09-10-2014 10:26 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 09:40 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 09:11 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  And that's probably the best explanation I've heard yet. Nobody agrees with what rice did, and not many agreed with the punishment that rice was given. Once that video was public, he was toast.

I don't think this is a goodell issue. Everybody wants to make everything in the nfl about him, but this really wasn't. He screwed up, admitted he did, and put a new policy in place. That's all you could ask really. Goodell was not the person who knocked his wife out. That is what is being lost in all this.

The ravens didn't act. Coach harbaugh didn't act. The police didn't act. Should ebverybody be fired? Or should goodell be the all time scapegoat?

I have asked this since the 2nd video came out, but what the f did people think happened in that elevator? I didn't need to see anything to know what happened in there. People don't trip and fall in elevators and knock themselves out.

Today's society demands scapegoats. Preferably not the actual guilty party. It wasn't Jerry Sandusky that got the majority of the outrage. He wasn't big enough. It was Joe PAterno. Because taking him down is a bigger story.

Ray Rice is a big enough name, but what fun is it when you have video showing his guilt. How are you going to fill a 24 hour news study with that. The media has to make the story bigger to keep the public's interest. If Goddell resigns tomorrow, they will have to find someone else to go after until they get enough mileage out of the story.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be gone. I'm just tired of the general public being told what to be outraged about and being manipulated by social and actual media.

Agree on all points. It's just so damn frustrating to listen to when you are unwilling to but the crap they are trying to sell. I really don't get how this became a goodell issue to so many. Had he suspended rice indefinitely before the video surfaced, would the players have not thrown a fit about goodell then? He hasn't done everything right as commissioner, he hasn't done everything wrong either.

+1

The Owners will protect Godell at all cost. Everybody in the NFL is making too much money. Except now Ray Rice, and his karma video.

And on a side note, with the realization that the NFL is where we tend to turn a blind eye to violence and expect performance and basically abhor weakness among the players, I pose the following question for supposition :

How many domestic violence cases has Godell presided over during his tenure , do you think ?

This can't be the first one. But it might be the highest profile. A 3rd string guard on KC's practice squad will just get invited to pack, and it would barely be a blurb in the sports page. But this isn't a low level player. That is the rub for Godell. Equal treatment for all, except for the players with hard video evidence.

(09-11-2014 12:04 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  This will, and should IMO, blow over. Rice is out. He is the bad guy here. He didn't collect a game check after the incident. The tape should be turned over to Jersey State Police and let the law take it's course.

The tape came from the police and they didn't do anything with it.

The NFL certainly showed some investigative initiative when busting the Saints in "Bounty-gate". They dug up all manner of audio & video to build their weak case. None of which involved the police or anyone legally bound to divulge information.

If its proven that the NFL had the tape in April and has lied about it since, Goodell has to be gone

Goodell is employed by 32 powerful people.

They'll decide his fate. Not ESPN.

(09-11-2014 05:52 AM)CourtsideBlazer Wrote:  The NFL certainly showed some investigative initiative when busting the Saints in "Bounty-gate". They dug up all manner of audio & video to build their weak case. None of which involved the police or anyone legally bound to divulge information.

If its proven that the NFL had the tape in April and has lied about it since, Goodell has to be gone

I'm just curious, why? Why should Goodell be gone if he saw the tape in April? Because he lied, or because he didn't do enough?

Has anybody read what Hardy for Carolina has been accused of? That dude is still playing, and that is way worse than what Rice is guilty of.