(09-10-2014 01:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:17 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Wasn't the Dickerson era responsible for the downfall of SMU football?

That's funny. SMU got the death penalty for doing what Texas, Oklahoma , Georgia and Florida State were and are STILL doing.

(09-10-2014 12:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Eric Dickerson has never been Doak Walker on or off the field.

He's Eric freakin Dickerson! LOL! Gimmee a break.

Doak Walker could run, pass, catch, punt, kick, intercept, etc. Read up on Dan Jenkins.

http://www.alibris.com/Doak-Walker-More-...ok/8686183

I don't believe that Doak Walker ever trashed his school like "100 Dollars" Eric.

http://news.investors.com/management-lea...ro.htm?p=2

That article explains the depth of Doak Walker's character. He was a humble man.

(09-10-2014 02:09 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 01:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:17 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Wasn't the Dickerson era responsible for the downfall of SMU football?

That's funny. SMU got the death penalty for doing what Texas, Oklahoma , Georgia and Florida State were and are STILL doing.

(09-10-2014 12:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Eric Dickerson has never been Doak Walker on or off the field.

He's Eric freakin Dickerson! LOL! Gimmee a break.

Doak Walker could run, pass, catch, punt, kick, intercept, etc. Read up on Dan Jenkins.

http://www.alibris.com/Doak-Walker-More-...ok/8686183

I don't believe that Doak Walker ever trashed his school like "100 Dollars" Eric.

http://news.investors.com/management-lea...ro.htm?p=2

That article explains the depth of Doak Walker's character. He was a humble man.

I didnt need links to know who Doak Walker is. I just find it funny how anyone can criticize a two time All-American and NFL HOFer. If he didnt care about his alma matter he wouldnt still be talking and giving his opinion. As for the Pony Express days and cash under the table...like I said, you might as well criticize the majority of players at P5 schools. If you are contending for a B12, SEC, PAC12, ACC or B1G football title this year someone gave somebody some cash in a bag they were not supposed to receive. Period,

(09-10-2014 01:59 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:25 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I think Tubberville is the highest paid coach.

Dickerson doesn't understand the economics and like most, associates anything non-P5 as a lack of commitment when in reality we are being shutout because of the TV contracts not commitment. He sees Bball doing well and wonders why FBall isn't seeing hte same national success, but he doesn't understand that the money side (expenses and revenue) are different in FBall. He should shut his mouth, IMO.

I find it laughable that posters on a message board assume they know more about athletics than someone who was involved in it at the collegiate and pro level for the past 30 years. I'd say it is safe to say that he "understands" what the deal is. You just may not understand exactly what he is talking about. It has been mentioned above.

(09-10-2014 12:17 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Wasn't the Dickerson era responsible for the downfall of SMU football?

It was also as much responsible for the rise of SMU football. Can't have one without the other.

Are you freaking kidding me. Pro athletes understand the administrative and business side now. Ya he helped SMU rise and then get destroyed. That's like saying Madoff helped in the rise of his firm.

The fact is that SMU made bowls four of six years (won three), built a new stadium and paid a coach $2mm. If Dickerson thinks SMU should shut down than so should 95% of G5's. It was flat out dumb and uninformed, end of story.

Here's your genius player:

"Eric Dickerson was the fastest running back to reach 10,000 yards. He was also the fastest to believe his financial adviser was an Italian Count. Dickerson met financier Luigi DiFonzo at a Hall of Fame dinner in Canton, Ohio. He decided to invest money with DFJ Italia after Difonzo convinced the table he was of Italian nobility. What Dickerson didn’t know was that DiFonzo was a two-time felon. This steely scam artist targeted NFL players and Dickerson soon became one of his victims. Mamma mia!"

(09-10-2014 02:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:09 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 01:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:17 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Wasn't the Dickerson era responsible for the downfall of SMU football?

That's funny. SMU got the death penalty for doing what Texas, Oklahoma , Georgia and Florida State were and are STILL doing.

(09-10-2014 12:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Eric Dickerson has never been Doak Walker on or off the field.

He's Eric freakin Dickerson! LOL! Gimmee a break.

Doak Walker could run, pass, catch, punt, kick, intercept, etc. Read up on Dan Jenkins.

http://www.alibris.com/Doak-Walker-More-...ok/8686183

I don't believe that Doak Walker ever trashed his school like "100 Dollars" Eric.

http://news.investors.com/management-lea...ro.htm?p=2

That article explains the depth of Doak Walker's character. He was a humble man.

I didnt need links to know who Doak Walker is. I just find it funny how anyone can criticize a two time All-American and NFL HOFer. If he didnt care about his alma matter he wouldnt still be talking and giving his opinion. As for the Pony Express days and cash under the table...like I said, you might as well criticize the majority of players at P5 schools. If you are contending for a B12, SEC, PAC12, ACC or B1G football title this year someone gave somebody some cash in a bag they were not supposed to receive. Period,

So once a player makes All-American and the HOF, they are above any sort of criticism regardless how valid the said criticism might be?



Apparently, he is a June Jones supporter. He must have lost his mind to think SMU isn't serious about football because they basically forced June to resign considering the team is a dumpster fire.

But the thing is, the high school recruits will only remember what Dickerson said. So the ability to recruit has been greatly damaged for 2015!

(09-10-2014 02:47 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:09 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 01:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:17 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Wasn't the Dickerson era responsible for the downfall of SMU football?

That's funny. SMU got the death penalty for doing what Texas, Oklahoma , Georgia and Florida State were and are STILL doing.

(09-10-2014 12:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Eric Dickerson has never been Doak Walker on or off the field.

He's Eric freakin Dickerson! LOL! Gimmee a break.

Doak Walker could run, pass, catch, punt, kick, intercept, etc. Read up on Dan Jenkins.

http://www.alibris.com/Doak-Walker-More-...ok/8686183

I don't believe that Doak Walker ever trashed his school like "100 Dollars" Eric.

http://news.investors.com/management-lea...ro.htm?p=2

That article explains the depth of Doak Walker's character. He was a humble man.

I didnt need links to know who Doak Walker is. I just find it funny how anyone can criticize a two time All-American and NFL HOFer. If he didnt care about his alma matter he wouldnt still be talking and giving his opinion. As for the Pony Express days and cash under the table...like I said, you might as well criticize the majority of players at P5 schools. If you are contending for a B12, SEC, PAC12, ACC or B1G football title this year someone gave somebody some cash in a bag they were not supposed to receive. Period,

So once a player makes All-American and the HOF, they are above any sort of criticism regardless how valid the said criticism might be?



Apparently, he is a June Jones supporter. He must have lost his mind to think SMU isn't serious about football because they basically forced June to resign considering the team is a dumpster fire.

What is the criticism? That he took money at SMU?

bottom line I think he was trying to help SMU by being so passionate and saying "if you aren't going to try to be like TCU and Baylor and invest $$/resources/admin support to football, just stop trying."

Unfortunately, the ESPN headline reads "Eric Dickerson: SMU 'doesn't exist'/should kill program"

ugh

(09-10-2014 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:47 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:09 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 01:50 PM)panama Wrote:  That's funny. SMU got the death penalty for doing what Texas, Oklahoma , Georgia and Florida State were and are STILL doing.


He's Eric freakin Dickerson! LOL! Gimmee a break.

Doak Walker could run, pass, catch, punt, kick, intercept, etc. Read up on Dan Jenkins.

http://www.alibris.com/Doak-Walker-More-...ok/8686183

I don't believe that Doak Walker ever trashed his school like "100 Dollars" Eric.

http://news.investors.com/management-lea...ro.htm?p=2

That article explains the depth of Doak Walker's character. He was a humble man.

I didnt need links to know who Doak Walker is. I just find it funny how anyone can criticize a two time All-American and NFL HOFer. If he didnt care about his alma matter he wouldnt still be talking and giving his opinion. As for the Pony Express days and cash under the table...like I said, you might as well criticize the majority of players at P5 schools. If you are contending for a B12, SEC, PAC12, ACC or B1G football title this year someone gave somebody some cash in a bag they were not supposed to receive. Period,

So once a player makes All-American and the HOF, they are above any sort of criticism regardless how valid the said criticism might be?



Apparently, he is a June Jones supporter. He must have lost his mind to think SMU isn't serious about football because they basically forced June to resign considering the team is a dumpster fire.

What is the criticism? That he took money at SMU?

People were criticizing his comments on the situation and his support of June Jones.

(09-10-2014 02:59 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  bottom line I think he was trying to help SMU by being so passionate and saying "if you aren't going to try to be like TCU and Baylor and invest $$/resources/admin support to football, just stop trying."

Unfortunately, the ESPN headline reads "Eric Dickerson: SMU 'doesn't exist'/should kill program"

ugh

Well TCU could be valid but not Baylor. Baylor had the B12 money/platform coming in, totally different situation. Maybe SMU didn't invest as much as TCU, but I bet it was close. Plus he makes it sound like SMU was some sort of Tulane level train wreck, they had had more success than the vast majority of G5s. He doesn't understand how the P5 cartel works and how hard it is to penetrate into their select group.....especially considering how the Dallas market is so saturated with TCU moving to the B12.

TCU just hired the right people and perhaps loosened entrance standards.

Like I said, he is clueless on how it works and did more damage than good. He should have said that he hopes they invest more to get to TCU's level, any talk of ending hte program is beyond stupid.

Just to sum up the positions coming from people connected with the SMU program: 1) SMU should quit football; but 2) if they don't, they should play in the Spring.

Come on fellas, you are supposed to be our pipeline into TX.

(09-10-2014 03:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:47 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:09 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Doak Walker could run, pass, catch, punt, kick, intercept, etc. Read up on Dan Jenkins.

http://www.alibris.com/Doak-Walker-More-...ok/8686183

I don't believe that Doak Walker ever trashed his school like "100 Dollars" Eric.

http://news.investors.com/management-lea...ro.htm?p=2

That article explains the depth of Doak Walker's character. He was a humble man.

I didnt need links to know who Doak Walker is. I just find it funny how anyone can criticize a two time All-American and NFL HOFer. If he didnt care about his alma matter he wouldnt still be talking and giving his opinion. As for the Pony Express days and cash under the table...like I said, you might as well criticize the majority of players at P5 schools. If you are contending for a B12, SEC, PAC12, ACC or B1G football title this year someone gave somebody some cash in a bag they were not supposed to receive. Period,

So once a player makes All-American and the HOF, they are above any sort of criticism regardless how valid the said criticism might be?



Apparently, he is a June Jones supporter. He must have lost his mind to think SMU isn't serious about football because they basically forced June to resign considering the team is a dumpster fire.

What is the criticism? That he took money at SMU?

People were criticizing his comments on the situation and his support of June Jones.

That didnt seem to be what you were criticizing.

At any rate I am going to venture to say that maybe Mr. Dickerson is closer to the situation than most and maybe privy to a lot of things most dont see. And oh yeah, in a general sense he is right. The Death Penalty was 25 years ago. Put up or shut up time. You cant be lamenting being left behind any more. Either youre doing what is needed to become one of the top programs in the country or you're not. I think their administration is a lot like Miami's in that they are content with where they are or cant get alumni to care enough to do more. But I imagine there are plenty of alumni who see Baylor and say, that could/should be us.

(09-10-2014 03:26 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Just to sum up the positions coming from people connected with the SMU program: 1) SMU should quit football; but 2) if they don't, they should play in the Spring.

Come on fellas, you are supposed to be our pipeline into TX.

I know your post is tongue in cheek, but June Jones is gone and ED will hopefully retract/clarify his statements.

Every family has their idiots. These are some of ours.

(09-10-2014 03:11 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:59 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  bottom line I think he was trying to help SMU by being so passionate and saying "if you aren't going to try to be like TCU and Baylor and invest $$/resources/admin support to football, just stop trying."

Unfortunately, the ESPN headline reads "Eric Dickerson: SMU 'doesn't exist'/should kill program"

ugh

Well TCU could be valid but not Baylor. Baylor had the B12 money/platform coming in, totally different situation. Maybe SMU didn't invest as much as TCU, but I bet it was close. Plus he makes it sound like SMU was some sort of Tulane level train wreck, they had had more success than the vast majority of G5s. He doesn't understand how the P5 cartel works and how hard it is to penetrate into their select group.....especially considering how the Dallas market is so saturated with TCU moving to the B12.

TCU just hired the right people and perhaps loosened entrance standards.

Like I said, he is clueless on how it works and did more damage than good. He should have said that he hopes they invest more to get to TCU's level, any talk of ending hte program is beyond stupid.

If he had said what you wanted this thread would have 3 posts

(09-10-2014 03:58 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:26 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Just to sum up the positions coming from people connected with the SMU program: 1) SMU should quit football; but 2) if they don't, they should play in the Spring.

Come on fellas, you are supposed to be our pipeline into TX.

I know your post is tongue in cheek, but June Jones is gone and ED will hopefully retract/clarify his statements.

Every family has their idiots. These are some of ours.

No doubt. And it was tongue-in-cheek.

Eric should be looking for the 5 hookers Craig James killed

is there a more dysfunctional football family than SMU? Seriously.

(09-10-2014 03:53 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:47 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:27 PM)panama Wrote:  I didnt need links to know who Doak Walker is. I just find it funny how anyone can criticize a two time All-American and NFL HOFer. If he didnt care about his alma matter he wouldnt still be talking and giving his opinion. As for the Pony Express days and cash under the table...like I said, you might as well criticize the majority of players at P5 schools. If you are contending for a B12, SEC, PAC12, ACC or B1G football title this year someone gave somebody some cash in a bag they were not supposed to receive. Period,

So once a player makes All-American and the HOF, they are above any sort of criticism regardless how valid the said criticism might be?



Apparently, he is a June Jones supporter. He must have lost his mind to think SMU isn't serious about football because they basically forced June to resign considering the team is a dumpster fire.

What is the criticism? That he took money at SMU?

People were criticizing his comments on the situation and his support of June Jones.

That didnt seem to be what you were criticizing.

At any rate I am going to venture to say that maybe Mr. Dickerson is closer to the situation than most and maybe privy to a lot of things most dont see. And oh yeah, in a general sense he is right. The Death Penalty was 25 years ago. Put up or shut up time. You cant be lamenting being left behind any more. Either youre doing what is needed to become one of the top programs in the country or you're not. I think their administration is a lot like Miami's in that they are content with where they are or cant get alumni to care enough to do more. But I imagine there are plenty of alumni who see Baylor and say, that could/should be us.

SMU has a great stadium and June Jones made a nice sum as head coach. SMU's spending hasn't been the problem, the problem was, as the SMU posters explained, that June Jones has been mailing it in.

(09-10-2014 04:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:53 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:47 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So once a player makes All-American and the HOF, they are above any sort of criticism regardless how valid the said criticism might be?



Apparently, he is a June Jones supporter. He must have lost his mind to think SMU isn't serious about football because they basically forced June to resign considering the team is a dumpster fire.

What is the criticism? That he took money at SMU?

People were criticizing his comments on the situation and his support of June Jones.

That didnt seem to be what you were criticizing.

At any rate I am going to venture to say that maybe Mr. Dickerson is closer to the situation than most and maybe privy to a lot of things most dont see. And oh yeah, in a general sense he is right. The Death Penalty was 25 years ago. Put up or shut up time. You cant be lamenting being left behind any more. Either youre doing what is needed to become one of the top programs in the country or you're not. I think their administration is a lot like Miami's in that they are content with where they are or cant get alumni to care enough to do more. But I imagine there are plenty of alumni who see Baylor and say, that could/should be us.

SMU has a great stadium and June Jones made a nice sum as head coach. SMU's spending hasn't been the problem, the problem was, as the SMU posters explained, that June Jones has been mailing it in.

School /Football Budget/Overall Budget

TCU/$31M/$72M
SMU/$15M/$52M

(09-10-2014 05:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 04:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:53 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the criticism? That he took money at SMU?

People were criticizing his comments on the situation and his support of June Jones.

That didnt seem to be what you were criticizing.

At any rate I am going to venture to say that maybe Mr. Dickerson is closer to the situation than most and maybe privy to a lot of things most dont see. And oh yeah, in a general sense he is right. The Death Penalty was 25 years ago. Put up or shut up time. You cant be lamenting being left behind any more. Either youre doing what is needed to become one of the top programs in the country or you're not. I think their administration is a lot like Miami's in that they are content with where they are or cant get alumni to care enough to do more. But I imagine there are plenty of alumni who see Baylor and say, that could/should be us.

SMU has a great stadium and June Jones made a nice sum as head coach. SMU's spending hasn't been the problem, the problem was, as the SMU posters explained, that June Jones has been mailing it in.

School /Football Budget/Overall Budget

TCU/$31M/$72M
SMU/$15M/$52M

I didn't say that SMU was spending as much as TCU. Besides, spending tons of money isn't the answer unless it is spent wisely. June Jones was one of the highest paid G5 coaches. SMU should spend wisely.

I will be bunt about this! SMU fan support sucks, i mean averaging 16.000 to 22,000 is not a power conference team. In fact it is a bottomfeeder even for the G5 schools. There is alot of blame and a lot to fix at SMU!